Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 6:02 am
I feel like I should get over my latent paranoia of andante
I feel like I should get over my latent paranoia of andante
I am not convinced it's bellIn post 6501, GuiltyLion wrote:what's weird is we have this knot of people in the POE townreading eachother
Pooky seems convinced it's Bell, no suspicion of Enchant/Andante
Bell seems convinced it's Pooky, no suspicion of Enchant/Andante
Andante was pushing Enchant, TRs Pooky virtually no suspicion there
Enchant thinks ... ??
why is whoever is town in this group so convinced they have it right when I am finding decent reasons to doubt a scumread on everybody
Something that imo shows I am very town here is this posIn post 1402, Dwlee99 wrote:There is an overwhelming consensus on a large number of slots being town. So either scum is just... letting that happen correctly, or there is a deep wolf.In post 1336, GuiltyLion wrote:can you explain this statement in FAR greater detailIn post 1071, Dwlee99 wrote:I really just think game state is pointing to town consensus being wrong right now
a) what do you see is the current "game state"
b) what is the "town consensus" opinion that is wrong?
and
how does a) provide evidence for b)?
Two worlds here:
1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins
2.) Consensus opinion of many townread slots is wrong
Now 1.) DOES happen, but with this table I think it's very unlikely. I don't think many of these players are ones to just let town win.In post 1337, Andante wrote:only 7 people aren't healing me.... 19 player game... how the heck do I have 12 votes? that's scary to meIf we are both town why would you not want an opportunity to show me you're town? Posts like this are so scummy cause you should actually be willing to engage with me but you just wanna complain that I scumread you. I'm not going to stop because of AtE that I know you fake as scum.In post 1343, Andante wrote:oh and no dwlee in my hood.. please...In post 1340, GuiltyLion wrote:I'd rather Dwlee not be a bomb expert at all currentlyIn post 1109, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:also who's good at reading dwlee? I think it'd be fun to put them in a group with people who can read them. Any volunteers?
um what would you even be listening to me forIn post 6529, Bell wrote:I’ll listen if you’re town Pooky. Sorry for misreading you if I did.I don’t really think I’ve been lazy this game tho. I just tuned out after reaching my solve and took actions that reflect that solve. It’s not comparable to death curse because I just stopped solving when there were a bunch of question marks left because we needed a whole lot of misses to lose.
And still almost lost!
In post 2955, Enchant wrote:We can lim Pooky and if scum, then lim Baltar.In post 2945, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:or if we policy blow him up at 4th defusal, we have 0 chance of losing
if VPB is town, we reset to 0 defusals for scum and we get three more defusals with no worries.
if VPB is scum, we just policy bomb everyone and dare the scumbags to try to win
Why not indeed.
this I thought pointed pretty strongly away from scum!EnchantIn post 2956, VP Baltar wrote:Why you avoiding the mala wagon enchant?
Andres posts using the lack of NK in his defense of his doctor claim, speculating on why there wasn't oneIn post 2599, Andresvmb wrote:In post 2597, VP Baltar wrote:Let's assume you are town, why do you think there was such a frenzy for the fire wagon yesterday as soon as your wagon took off a little bit?In post 2596, Andresvmb wrote:I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.I am Town. I claimed Doctor and there was no NK yesterday. Do you think the Scum held back from firing? Has anyone stepped forward to explain in a different way why there was no extra kill? Like I really can’t make this easier for you.
Scum sometimes push alternative wagons, and after my claim (and some clear resistance from multiple players against executing me), they probably felt they needed to push elsewhere. Frog still tried to bury me by ridiculing my claim. But they couldn’t get traction so they pushed fire relying on a flawed argument from catboi who was clearly trying their best and had a reasonable argument.
Like you can’t fault me for thinking the arguments against fire were reasonable and not argue against all of the other players that also landed there. I’m not hiding and saying I don’t own my vote I do. But you asked me what I relied on for it and when I tell you you say it’s bullshit. Well, it is what it is.
Andante posts throwing suspicion at Pooky and the weirdness of VPB/Pooky N1 hood defuseIn post 2601, Andante wrote:I find it interesting how Mena's recap of the hood is so different from the others... like,I've been kinda suspicious of pooky, and that's where in a T/T world with VP and Pooky, I assumed VP was going to die last night, but now I'm wondering why scum!Pooky would save a town!VP, the sudden weird "yeah let's heal DW!!" yesterday honestly could just be pooky scum for why it seemed so odd to me, idk!!! but both Ceph and CSF gave off Pooky towny, then Mena is like "yeah pooky wasn't towny" so ehhh idk!!!
I'm LAUGHING so hard at frogster's claim... "all I have to do is live till day 5 to prove myself!!" you had no care about catboi living till D2 to prove himself... so why would you have till d5??
everyone has checked in, can frogster go bye bye now?
VPB comments and mixes up the two players. He is responding to Andres but then sees Andante's post in p-edit and assumes she is Andres. He isIn post 2603, VP Baltar wrote:Eh, not really what I asked you. I asked you to explain your vote on fire, as in what did you find scummy? And you basically said "well catboi wanted it and I trusted him," which of course looks to me like you're putting it on a dead player.In post 2599, Andresvmb wrote:Like you can’t fault me for thinking the arguments against fire were reasonable and not argue against all of the other players that also landed there. I’m not hiding and saying I don’t own my vote I do. But you asked me what I relied on for it and when I tell you you say it’s bullshit. Well, it is what it is.
It definitely is what it is. What I am trying to assess is whether you found fire scummy or just wanted to save yourself, which doesn't even necessarily make you scum.
The biggest thing that points to you being scum is the sheer speed that people powered that wagon through based on catbois case. I was there and didn't even have time to fully read his case before people ended it!
As far as the lack of NK, I have no idea, but in your world pooky should be lock town, yeah?
He catches his mistakeIn post 2604, VP Baltar wrote:Lol oh that pedit was andante not andres
Andante is confusedIn post 2606, Andante wrote:why should pooky be lock town to me?
There was 30 minutes between his previous spurt of rapid fire posting and this post where he explains it. I feel this is also a bit over-explainy, obviously when you're scum and you make mistakes like this you feel a lot of pressure to explain your mix up. I know regardless of Pooky's alignment he probably felt nerves to hand wave his mistake/lack of close reading - which we know was ultimately due to him being scum bullshitting a push on a town!Andres - buuuut in my head I am just getting a sense that part of the tense/nerves of the situation was he was trying to 'lock-town' Pooky to a player who had no reason to lock-town Pooky. He doesn't even give his own read on Pooky during this exchange which I would sort of expect from town in this situation, even if he were just talking to Andres.In post 2628, VP Baltar wrote:Ignore that part. It is pretty coffee times here and I saw "and***" In the pedit going after pooky right after andres was taking town cred for stopping a NK on pooky so I was like "OH NO HE DIDNT"....but it was I who cannot read!In post 2606, Andante wrote:why should pooky be lock town to me?