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In post 3679, Just Sheep Us wrote:Oh look, another game just ended that demonstrates that everyone should just sheep me.

Why are people not sheeping me?

In post 6530, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 6425, Titan wrote:Well then don't say you would have held off if I'd not been passive about it. I wasn't shy about how I felt about that lynch and the entire situation and didn't want the day to end there.

I gave up worrying because you looked like scum posturing around the wagon there at the end and the only reason I could figure out that you would do that was because you guys had some way to end the game through night actions.

And part of my problem is that you're not actually looking at everything. You're discounting some things because you have a *strong read* which is fine but coming up with new ways that AP is scum without for one second considering the possibility that JSU is scum is a whole metric fuckton of confirmation bias. I, for one, don't see how you can be so sure. I have postulated that you are so sure because you guys are partnered because it's really the only reason why you've been going on about AP but not really pushing him and then using the Mastin scum read AP so he's scum scum scum! When Mastin isn't all that great at reading AP; I mean in Anything Goes he was 100% certain AP was scum when he was town telling like crazy. The day two suggestion that it should be AP instead of Mastin after you declared that Pieguy was the only person you trusted to lead the town and Pieguy was tunneling on Mastin. Why did you all of a sudden decide to suggest the day should go away from where the leader was saying to go? In some instances you look like you're trying to tie your partner AP to people in a weird manner.

But you going yeah there are too many investigative roles, have a town read here and here, so this has to be the scum one doesn't really make sense to me. I can see leaning one way, but completely discounting everything else? It's just eh.

Regaeding the town leaded thing: you mentioned this several times now. When I said that Pie was the only person I trusted to lead the town, I was taking to Mastin. Mastin made a huge deal about how he has resurfaced from a bad game and has grown into a town leader. He talked extensively about how he would lead the town, how he would reach out to people, and how he was doing "leader-centric" reachouts and pretty much referring to himself as the town leader of the game. I responded to him by saying that I trust the guy tunneling him much more than I trusted him. It wasn't meant to take a dig at anyone else in the game nor was I trying to undermine any other player. I had a strong scum-read on Mastin and Pie was the only one who was really understanding (at that time) where I was coming from, defending my points against Mastin and speaking in a way that I could understand. His read never wavered and I could follow what he was doing at every point. It's why I trusted him. He was viewing the gamestate almost exactly as I was. Just like you trusted Ffery who waffled and waffled on Mastin, I trusted Pie who had a similar strong scumread on Mastin and was thinking about things exactly the way I was. I never meant to say that anyone else is unqualified to lead the town. If it means anything, the only person I trust to lead the town right now is you and I am dead serious about it because you are the only person keeping a cool head throughout this shitshow of a game. I should have trusted you earlier and you ended up being more right than I was but that's just the way the game went. I can't change the past but I can put more effort into seeing your side from now on.

You are talking about me confbiasing AP when AP has been confbiasing me since he entered the game. It is pretty obvious I am town here if you rethink everything I've done in this game. Day 1, I cc'd RBD when he fake-claimed miller. You know that my scumgame isn't at a level where I would do such a gambit. I don't care if people who don't know my playstyle think that I gambited but you know it is impossible coming from me. There's also not a chance I'd leave you alive over Pie who was townreading the absolute crap out of me because you are a massive threat to me as scum. I've played with you enough and read enough of your games that I know that if you truly want someone dead, it is highly unlikely that you'd be unable to drive the lynch through. There's no way, I'd let someone like that live on, least of all when they are very closely familiar with my game. Third, look at my activity level. I really shouldn't be posting in this game when I've been so busy - and yet I am. I've been trying really hard to figure this game out even amongst the chaos and the noise. Even, look at the tone of my posts for over 500 posts - walls and all. Look at my interactions with other players, with you etc. It is also really obvious that I genuinely believed in my suspicions of Mastin and Rancid wrong though they may be.

You are paranoid of me for a very similar thing that I was paranoid of you about. I found your hammer on Mastin worthy of questioning. You started today in a similar way to what I started D3 - by asking me about my end of day play and getting paranoid about it. I get it. I had the same feeling when you hammered Mastin. I should have known better that there is not a chance in hell this is your scum play. And you know as well that there is no chance I am scum here if you just look at everything that I've posted in this game.

In post 6555, Red Gyarados wrote:Because I have no idea where his read flip on mastin came from

His read not only flipped but he championed the mastin lynch while not voting mastin at all

He was on that shit katsuki wagon so there's some BoP in this (same with AP and JSU)

I also don't trust him at all so of course this all should be taken with several grains of salt

In post 6535, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 6509, Titan wrote:OHMYGODS she's such obvious scum because she got paranoid and thought the game could end.

What desp is gunning at is that it's bizarre that you would have thought that at all, so it seems like you're scum lying about being paranoid about something rather than being actually paranoid about something.

In post 6557, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 6555, Red Gyarados wrote:Because I have no idea where his read flip on mastin came from

His read not only flipped but he championed the mastin lynch while not voting mastin at all

He was on that shit katsuki wagon so there's some BoP in this (same with AP and JSU)

I also don't trust him at all so of course this all should be taken with several grains of salt

Okay, I agree. This was mostly what I was concerned about as well although I wouldn't say not voting Mastin was significant.

In post 6556, Titan wrote:The problem I had with the way you treated Pie and the he's the only one you trust to lead town, and I didn't realize it was in response to Mastin's town leader thing, is that you didn't vote Mastin with him though you were trusting Pie to lead all the way. If I would have realized that it was just you commenting on Mastin's town leader narrative, and I did remember that exists but he wrote so damn much it was hard to take some of it seriously and really focus, it probably wouldn't have stuck out as so odd to me. But what freaked me out was while at the same time going he's the only one you trust to lead town, you weren't voting for the person he was tunneling on though you were certain he was scum and then you suggested the AP lynch.

I'm not sure you can look at me and say I'm keeping a cool head with a straight face. I don't feel like I have a cool head. I felt like I was getting there at the start of day when the thing I was worried about all night long didn't happen, but ohmygods paranoia means your scum!!! That's such fucking bullshit and I don't think for one second either Broseidon or desperado can't see it for anything other than it is. They are full of shit and for EITHER of them to actually think this is anywhere near Too Many Heads is such crack pot pawow that no I'm not seeing it at all.

They are pulling this games strings. They can't even come up with a good reason for why scum me would say I thought the game was going to end or would expect that at all? I mean like seriously. They are not acting like town AT ALL.

In post 6543, Titan wrote:It makes no literal sense for anyone who's ever played a game or two with me to go oh but 7:4 the numbers the numbers, how doesn't this make sense to you. I've literally fucked it up when people did point out numbers and thought 11:4 meant with two mislynches scum would win.

In post 6551, Red Gyarados wrote:Better help him lynch me rather than make empty threats about it if you want any chance to save him!

In post 6554, CarbonFiber wrote:Why is Nacho scum?

In post 6556, Titan wrote:The problem I had with the way you treated Pie and the he's the only one you trust to lead town, and I didn't realize it was in response to Mastin's town leader thing, is that you didn't vote Mastin with him though you were trusting Pie to lead all the way. If I would have realized that it was just you commenting on Mastin's town leader narrative, and I did remember that exists but he wrote so damn much it was hard to take some of it seriously and really focus, it probably wouldn't have stuck out as so odd to me.

In post 6558, Titan wrote:Why would I lie about being paranoid?

In post 6561, Titan wrote:He's hardly the last person I'd expect to make a oh is someone scum because they made an illogical assumption?!? (not an insult to you btw just not an angle I'd expect you to take.)

In post 6563, AngryPidgeon wrote:???????????
RG already heavily hinted at why he thinks that just now. And I know you think the same, so what is this question >.>

In post 6563, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 6543, Titan wrote:It makes no literal sense for anyone who's ever played a game or two with me to go oh but 7:4 the numbers the numbers, how doesn't this make sense to you. I've literally fucked it up when people did point out numbers and thought 11:4 meant with two mislynches scum would win.

Ive played games with you and I expect a reasonable to good level of awareness/math from you.

In post 6558, Titan wrote:Why would I lie about being paranoid?

In post 6509, Titan wrote:

In post 6502, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 6498, Titan wrote:I think me saying that I'm working on figuring out how to use it in a protown way. Why are you guys bugging me to out what if she's town and scum don't know what she gave me, it could be immensely beneficial for town?

I thought we were talking about "why the game could have ended" still, not whatever the hell PA gave you.

That's what I'm referring to.

But, why are we still talking about me being paranoid?

Because unless you guys are going to turn this into some weird case for me being scum. OHMYGODS she's such obvious scum because she got paranoid and thought the game could end. Only scum would do that! Look she didn't even have the mindfulness to look at the numbers?!? Gotta be caught scum there.

Unless you're going to do that, the both of you are just engaging in this for a distraction.

In post 6528, AngryPidgeon wrote:I'm on phone but I don't think you/pv are scum together. Feel free to correct me.

In post 6530, CarbonFiber wrote:You are talking about me confbiasing AP when AP has been confbiasing me since he entered the game. It is pretty obvious I am town here if you rethink everything I've done in this game. Day 1, I cc'd RBD when he fake-claimed miller. You know that my scumgame isn't at a level where I would do such a gambit. I don't care if people who don't know my playstyle think that I gambited but you know it is impossible coming from me. There's also not a chance I'd leave you alive over Pie who was townreading the absolute crap out of me because you are a massive threat to me as scum. I've played with you enough and read enough of your games that I know that if you truly want someone dead, it is highly unlikely that you'd be unable to drive the lynch through. There's no way, I'd let someone like that live on, least of all when they are very closely familiar with my game. Third, look at my activity level. I really shouldn't be posting in this game when I've been so busy - and yet I am. I've been trying really hard to figure this game out even amongst the chaos and the noise. Even, look at the tone of my posts for over 500 posts - walls and all. Look at my interactions with other players, with you etc. It is also really obvious that I genuinely believed in my suspicions of Mastin and Rancid wrong though they may be.

In post 6540, Just Sheep Us wrote:Tammy, if you're town, I expect you to do a metric shitton with that VC.

In post 6538, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2975, Yulia Jue wrote:Votecount 1-31

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV

(2):

AngryPidgeon

,

Mac
MastinSSK

(1):

CupcakePanda

Just Sheep Us

(5): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados,

Breakfast With Stalin

,

Rancid Broderick Drake, MastinSSK

, Kagura

AngryPidgeon

(1):

Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake

(6):

CarbonFiber

,

Just Sheep Us

,

PeregrineV

, The Fox and the Hound,

Yggdra Union

, Clyton
Not Voting (1): Titan

Blue is probably town claims (Vig+Miller)
Purple is confirmed to me/desp via our role

In post 6547, Red Gyarados wrote:VOTE: JSU

btw

In post 6569, Titan wrote:I asked what the balance was he said 16:4. You know what my answer was? With 16 players, 4 scum makes sense. I don't think that way and even if I did it wouldn't matter because even after Penguin mentioned the numbers I still was worried scum had a trick up their sleeves.

In post 6569, Titan wrote:What benefit did I have? Almost everyone has me as town anyway. So, what was I trying to do? Really? Look insane? Get people to yell at me for something that if I knew it didn't make sense wouldn't make sense? Because really.

In post 6570, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Yeah, I really don't see how Tammy not knowing/caring how many players are alive is actually very relevant to anything