A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Mirhawk]

But since then, with posts like 6387 which would be kinda weird if it were podoboq.

I agree.

I don't think it's mala. I don't recall her ever scumreading Axel (could be wrong admittedly).

God that means its probably Cakez.

[Cerberus v666]

Anyways, so.

Lynch TPP, if town shoot dram, lynch flub? I think that sounds reasonable.

How do you feel about flub dramonic?

I am not adverse to this, but I think it would be simpler for the vig to rub out Flubber right off if Piper flipped town. He may or may not be bulletproof though so eh.

Also, who would the vig shoot if Piper flipped scum? Podo?

Yes, dumb to take an announced shot at claimed BP.

Dunno. Cakez/podo? Me? :p

Cerb - informed townie

Man I had totally forgotten about that.

I'm assuming the flavor in question hasn't been claimed yet seeing as how he's still flavor hunting.

Flavor in question has not been claimed, I'm starting to think one of our fucking already confirmed people has it so it's worthless at this point.

Also, TPP: I'm very careful in my wording, especially when talking about alignment confirmation. I said I have cause to believe the individual sharing my flavor is town because of a mechanical interaction, NOT that the mod told me they are town.

Interpret that how you will.

[The Pied Piper]

Mala hasn't been very open about her reads either way. The only mention of Axel in her ISO that indicates what her read might be on him:

This thread is getting painful to read
All of the shit flinging between TPP, FS and Dwlee makes me want to rip my hair out
Meanwhile we have obvscum like Axel floating by
At least scum Mirhawk is the leading wagon

Agreed and I like my hair.

It's a common way to play as conftown: she lets people know her reads if a townread is in danger of being lynched but otherwise she's keeping her cards close to her chest so that people can't manipulate her.

Also, TPP: I'm very careful in my wording, especially when talking about alignment confirmation. I said I have cause to believe the individual sharing my flavor is town because of a mechanical interaction, NOT that the mod told me they are town.

okay.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #5.6:

podoboq:

dramonic, SirCakez, Marquis, Malakittens, Flubbernugget (5)

dramonic:

itlepip, podoboq, pistachi0n, drmyshottyizsik (4)

Not Voting:

The Pied Piper, Mirhawk, Cerberus v666

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-06-12 10:00:00)

[SirCakez]

Anyways, so.

Lynch TPP, if town shoot dram, lynch flub? I think that sounds reasonable.

How do you feel about flub dramonic?

nononononono no lynching TPP today

Shotty should target either Mala or myself tonight.

That's a joke right?

Why on earth would he protect you?

Marquis, Mala, and Pistachion are the best choices. He shouldn't say exactly which he's picking either.

Oh, I don't believe flubber is lying about his role. He's just a scum JOAT, if he's scum. *shrug*

Agree with this sentiment btw, nothing he claimed was something only town would have.

I also think I might know what Cerb's role is? If it is what I think then he's likely scum.

[SirCakez]

By Cerb's role, I mean what he's informed of and his flavor

[Cerberus v666]

By Cerb's role, I mean what he's informed of and his flavor

Oh? You should take a guess.

[podoboq]

2662 - podoboq feeling guilty for shooting town snarky
2844 - podoboq defending the decision to shoot snarky
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4312 - podoboq saying that he knows who the vig is and that it's not cakes made me think he was trying to signal that it was him without outright claiming
5176 - podoboq burden of profficiencying us on crumbhunting the vig in particular and not on any of our other crumbhunting or our reads or anything else really. it stood out.
5181 - podoboq not wanting to reveal who the vig was in spite of pushing for a massclaim earlier and pushing us to reveal our own mixture of PR info and crumbhunting.
5282 - there's an old jeep tell that the person who congratulates the doctor after a no kill is either the doctor himself or is scum. This feels like that except in vig format with podoboq congratulating the vig after shooting axel.

Somewhere in those asterisks, TPP, you say that Cakez is the vig. After that point, I start to crumb that I'm the vig in order to hopefully throw off scum, because I thought you were right, and didn't want him to get night killed. Here's the big one:

I thought they were competent enough players to not blindly dumb information because Dwlee of all people was calling them scum. This makes my life so much more difficult than it has to be. 1 + though, Flubber should probably out his invest result.

Podo you are 100% alone in that. Please never out who the vig is thankyouverymuchthen.

I

think they know what they were doing with that dump.

M

y opinion is that they're smart enough to not reveal information that would make the game worse for town, as town.

V

ig is obviously a powerful role, and

I

have no intention of revealing who it is.

G

ood luck to scum on making more use of that information dump than town can.

It was also around that time that somebody said that scum are usually better at picking up crumbs, and I was also talking about how I was a liability to town that I think scum was keeping around. I was baiting a nightkill on myself, in order to protect a role that actually had power. Marquis and Cakez should be familiar with my play in our Newbie game, where with a lot less subtlety, I implied that I was the jailor as VT in order to bait a nightkill on myself. (I happen to remember that the scum in that game absolutely despised that play, and said in thread that I should never ever do it again. Sorry, Ness.)

I hope that explains some of the later posts. What it comes down to is that if it throws off town, I can always just claim to solve that. If I throw off scum, then I stifle their chances to make a worthwhile kill.

[podoboq]

Part of the reason for me revealing that gambit is to explain why I think Cakez is the SK. I believed TPP when they read Cakez as vig. In watching his posts for it, I see it as well. But his play has caused me to think he's not town. He's not claiming vig now, so unless the vig read that TPP and I had on him is wrong, he's the SK.

VOTE: Cakez

[dramonic]

there wasn't a kill N2; he did shoot correctly N3 though

SO IDK it could be just a bad vig shot N1

No shot N2 is the point I'm making.

Anyways, so.

Lynch TPP, if town shoot dram, lynch flub? I think that sounds reasonable.

How do you feel about flub dramonic?

Currently I think he's town, I'll reevaluate if Podo flips town.

Anyways, so.

Lynch TPP, if town shoot dram, lynch flub? I think that sounds reasonable.

How do you feel about flub dramonic?

I am not adverse to this, but I think it would be simpler for the vig to rub out Flubber right off if Piper flipped town. He may or may not be bulletproof though so eh.

Also, who would the vig shoot if Piper flipped scum? Podo?

Technically flubber claimed joat, I don't think he might just be 1-shot bp.
And Podo, obviously.

Also to whoever said Mala can't possibly be SK: Investigation-Immunity is possible for an SK. It's not LIKELY, since generally the immunity comes from the cop result format, but it can be specific too.
Not saying Mala is SK, but I don't want to remove her as a possible vig option, especially with no claim out of her.

[SirCakez]

Part of the reason for me revealing that gambit is to explain why I think Cakez is the SK. I believed TPP when they read Cakez as vig. In watching his posts for it, I see it as well. But his play has caused me to think he's not town. He's not claiming vig now, so unless the vig read that TPP and I had on him is wrong, he's the SK.

VOTE: Cakez

Huh? You're talking like there's definitely a SK. Why can't there be a Vig?
fyi if I was a SK I wouldn't try to fake being a Vig and shoot scummy people lol

By Cerb's role, I mean what he's informed of and his flavor

Oh? You should take a guess.

If I do it will basically out my role
Which it basically has already if you are what I think

[dramonic]

I'm still skeptical cakez is reading the game.

[podoboq]

I'm still skeptical cakez is reading the game.

That or he's not town.

[SirCakez]

What am I missing?
You and TPP are being dumb and getting "vig readings" on me when I'm a completely different role.

[dramonic]

read page 258 again

[SirCakez]

OK so you guys think the Vig should claim. Not sure how that connects to a guaranteed SK.

[podoboq]

OK so you guys think the Vig should claim. Not sure how that connects to a guaranteed SK.

We've threatened to autokill the vig when they claim unless they claim now. This is because, if we have an SK, we need to kill them now, and we could have either an SK pretending to be vig or a vig. Since the vig refuses to claim, they are probably an SK. If they aren't, they're still too big of a threat to keep around too long.

[SirCakez]

Mala hasn't disclaimed Vig yet. If it's not her then maybe you are correct.

[podoboq]

Mala hasn't disclaimed Vig yet. If it's not her then maybe you are correct.

If she claims vig, I'll eat my words and accept that I'm wrong, but for now, I'm operating under the read that you are the SK.

[SirCakez]

Heh you're going to be eating your words either way then.
I'd really rather not claim today though, I really want shotty tested.

[podoboq]

Heh you're going to be eating your words either way then.
I'd really rather not claim today though, I really want shotty tested.

Unless there's something weird about your role, we can still test shotty's flavor copping abilities regardless of whether or not you claim.

[SirCakez]

My flavor is highly tied to my role.

[pistachi0n]

With TPP's analysis, dram and podo are still the best votes for today (by POE.)

If there really is a vig who doesn't want to claim, why is a vig shot bad? Best case scenario, scum gets shot, worst case, it helps with POE.

[Cerberus v666]

With TPP's analysis, dram and podo are still the best votes for today (by POE.)

If there really is a vig who doesn't want to claim, why is a vig shot bad? Best case scenario, scum gets shot, worst case, it helps with POE.

Is my analysis flawed pistachion, with regards to the likely existence of a town aligned jailkeeper as the explanation for shotty's repeated power failures?

[Cerberus v666]

And the implications of that?