KTaNE [game over!]

[Dwlee99]

Happy birthday Modtisi!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its actually amazing you can spend as much time as you have to reach the wrong conclusion after andante got the right conclusion by barely trying

i will reserve my comments for you in the dead thread.

The right conclusion regarding just your alignment? Or also her conclusion that Enchant is scum because Bell is also town, which is the opposite of what you've been saying all day

I know my own alignment

I do not know Bell's or Enchant's.

I think it's fairly obvious what I'm talking about since you were talking about killing me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think pooky didn't get night killed n1 even if he's town here.

there is a missing nightkill

where do you think it is if it's not on me?

[Dwlee99]

I think pooky didn't get night killed n1 even if he's town here.

there is a missing nightkill

where do you think it is if it's not on me?

Don't scum have two night kills right now? And they need to use both to clinch winning? What do you mean by 'missing' or what makes you think there's a missing kill?

If there IS a missing kill, I'd say it would be on bell or on a kill performed by bell N2.

[GuiltyLion]

I know my own alignment

I do not know Bell's or Enchant's.

I think it's fairly obvious what I'm talking about since you were talking about killing me.

my point was that the snark is not really warranted, given that even if you are town and Andante is right about you being town, her conclusion on who is the remaining scum is the exact opposite of yours and so therefore if we were to lim you and then sheep her, we would lose the game in your mind, and if we were to lim you and then sheep you then she didn't have a correct solve either

[GuiltyLion]

ah shit it's Datisi's birthday!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY FELLOW TAURUS hope you're having a good one

[Bell]

Happy birthday Datisi.

*grumbles about overtime*

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I mean scum literally tried to frame Andante with a rigged bomb so how can she possibly be scum?

yeah, I guess if Andante were scum, I don't know why scum wouldn't just rig our group to explode instead on night 1

[Cat Scratch Fever]

(because that would mean group 2 was all town)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I just have a hard time clearing people off of mech spec alone, and Andante hasn't been very townie today.

[Dwlee99]

Hmm if group 2 was all town they would have rigged it and not swapped in VP you think?

[Dwlee99]

Which means group 2 contians scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if group 1 and group 2 r both all town

how many bombs can the scum team rig?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know my own alignment

I do not know Bell's or Enchant's.

I think it's fairly obvious what I'm talking about since you were talking about killing me.

my point was that the snark is not really warranted, given that even if you are town and Andante is right about you being town, her conclusion on who is the remaining scum is the exact opposite of yours and so therefore if we were to lim you and then sheep her, we would lose the game in your mind, and if we were to lim you and then sheep you then she didn't have a correct solve either

you only need to identify one town correctly to win

but sure go off champ

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Dwlee it just means that if andante is scum, they would've rigged group 2 instead and would not have sent vp to group 2. I don't think you can conclusively say there's scum in group 2 by that metric

[Dwlee99]

Pooky why do you ignore me so much

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Pooky

I also don't wanna go back and highlight my own posts but rereading D3-D4 I remembered the strong scummy vibe I got from Pooky during that period, not touching on critical threads of the game, pushing Dwlee for NAI gotchas, buddying Andante

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Don't scum have two night kills right now? And they need to use both to clinch winning? What do you mean by 'missing' or what makes you think there's a missing kill?

If there IS a missing kill, I'd say it would be on bell or on a kill performed by bell N2.

[1]

Scum start with 1 NK, got 2 NKs from VPB defusing twice, got 1.5 NKs from Guiltylion+Andante Defusing -> 4.5 NKs.

Scum killed Twice at Night [Greeting, Cephrir] -> 4.5 - 2 = 2.5 NKs.

Which means they have 1 saved NK for winning the game and 1 blocked NK.

The reason why they don't have 2 saved NKs is because if they had 2 NKs they could've just shot someone and blew up guiltylion[LAST NIGHT] and be at 5P ELO TODAY rather than needing to mislim me AND then get another mislim at elo tomm.


(1) scum need 1 saved kill to clinch winning.

you mis lim me -> 6

shoot someone tonight ->5

send a townie to be defuser

if defused -> 1 more NK

if not defused -> 4 players

Tomm game starts with scum either having 1 more NK and 5 players alive or 4 players alive - either way it is ELO.


[2]

It makes very little sense for scum to not shoot on N1 and then shoot on N2 or be blocked on N1 and get blocked on N2 because

the defuser on n1 was a scumbag

It looks very bad for VPB if any nightkill occurs on N2 because the logical source of said NK is because it was earned by him defusing as scum. Thus scum chose to shoot on N3 and did not shoot on N2 to make it look like VPB is a town defuser who earned them a nightkill by defusing twice rather than a scum defusing who earned them 2 NKs. That makes the missing NK happen on Night One.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also don't wanna go back and highlight my own posts but rereading D3-D4 I remembered the strong scummy vibe I got from Pooky during that period, not touching on critical threads of the game, pushing Dwlee for NAI gotchas, buddying Andante

I do not remember ever seriously pushing Dwlee this game so what are you even talking about.

I don't push people with NAI gotchas, those are more like jokes for fun.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

buddying Andante

here is my iso from another game me/andante finished together[recently]:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

we are t/t and we win in the end together.

I "buddy" her because she is fun to talk to.

if buddying was actually a scumtell I'd be scum every game.

[Dwlee99]

[quote="In

N1: Frogsterking (lol)
N2: Bell
N3: Cephrir
N4: Andante
N5: Menalque

As for actions:

N1 sat on GL (Awks)

N3 sat on Baltar (Also awks, but in fairness I originally had Andres pencilled in until I realised he was defuser)

N5 sat on Andante

We still don’t know what resulted in there being no NK right?

I protected Pooky. I feel like I have to reveal this only because I think it makes them less likely to be Scum. If they have an ability though, then the shot went elsewhere and there’s no reason to rely on this information at all.

[Dwlee99]

The reason why they don't have 2 saved NKs is because if they had 2 NKs they could've just shot someone and blew up guiltylion[LAST NIGHT] and be at 5P ELO TODAY rather than needing to mislim me AND then get another mislim at elo tomm.

Doesn't this assume that scum didn't know GL would be saved?

[Dwlee99]

Okay tbh best argument for Pooky!town is that scum Pooky can't know to not night kill in the hopes GL blows up. This assumes that scum don't have some kind of wire tap role into the hoods, however.

[Dwlee99]

It makes very little sense for scum to not shoot on N1 and then shoot on N2 or be blocked on N1 and get blocked on N2 because the defuser on n1 was a scumbag

It looks very bad for VPB if any nightkill occurs on N2 because the logical source of said NK is because it was earned by him defusing as scum. Thus scum chose to shoot on N3 and did not shoot on N2 to make it look like VPB is a town defuser who earned them a nightkill by defusing twice rather than a scum defusing who earned them 2 NKs. That makes the missing NK happen on Night One.

Except I think that scum were really trying to lean into the "scum want to mislim VPB!!" narrative, so it actually makes sense for them to shoot N2 and then claim they are being framed

[Enchant]

Okay tbh best argument for Pooky!town is that scum Pooky can't know to not night kill in the hopes GL blows up. This assumes that scum don't have some kind of wire tap role into the hoods, however.

They didn't knew it regardless, i literally stated what i will do in last minutes.