VOTE: TD
I don't mind if I'm the one who gets shot considering how non active I am. It probably is the best shot, but imo this is a better lynch and moon has shown signs of being towny.
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:38 pm
by Time Devil
VOTE: Moongrass
I told you you were being voted. Can't say I didn't warn you.
-TL
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:44 pm
by MariaR
The only real sus thing bout moon is the glad pick because of how pro scum it is. If they picked someone else moon had a high chance of going in. But by picking moon they cut loses and only lose 1 scum at most
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:46 pm
by chennisden
VOTE: moongrass
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:25 pm
by Titus
In post 6655, MariaR wrote:The only real sus thing bout moon is the glad pick because of how pro scum it is. If they picked someone else moon had a high chance of going in. But by picking moon they cut loses and only lose 1 scum at most
*shakes head*
Moongrass was picked because either a) he was town that might go off the reservation resulting in his own death or b) to shade him and scum were ready for the arena outcome.
If their goal was to save scum, Chemist is the gladiator. He picks Creature and an unknown. This gives us a 50/50 chance at getting scum.
Moongrass is the fall guy. That's why Nancy's alive.
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:57 pm
by NanceFloor
What the hell happened? I’m so confused rn.
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:00 pm
by NanceFloor
Can we not rush this? I want to make sure we lynch correctly. I’m going to redo some ISOs before my head explodes.
In post 6636, Moongrass wrote:I'm not sure 100% on TD either mostly because of the dance pairing he was in with the confirmed town.
Chennis and Maria are my guess with an outside chance of 0verkill if either of them are wrong.
Overkill11 is clear for staying on Creature/Chemist. All I know is someone is manipulating me and I’m still not sure who.
In post 6655, MariaR wrote:The only real sus thing bout moon is the glad pick because of how pro scum it is. If they picked someone else moon had a high chance of going in. But by picking moon they cut loses and only lose 1 scum at most
Between Maria/Titus/Moon
Maria is hands down the towniest and Creature was more than happy to throw her into veto, so still pretty confident she is a mislynch.
Maria towntells all through her ISO. FL was really obvtown as well. I have the most confidence in Maria being mislynchbait. Despite what Moon has pushed, there is absolutely nothing scummy about her ISO.
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:34 pm
by NanceFloor
If it’s Titus, then that was some epic scum theater between Creature/Titus but Creature was more than willing to throw Maria/Chenn/TD into veto.
He did extremely briefly veto Titus/tmck but like only for a minute. Moon falling on his sword for Titus doesn’t really mean much since if SvS, Titus has a much better chance of pushing a scum agenda than Moon does. But it does make sense actually. Creature never really put Titus in danger and he protected Moon, which is consistent with Creature scum meta. Creature just doesn’t do risky scum distancing - at least not in any scumgame he’s ever been in to my knowledge anyway.
Okay, I think it is Moon/Titus. Maria’s town. ISO her in Forgotten Hourglass, if you don’t believe me. This isn’t how scum!Maria protects a scum buddy. Her arguments have been consistently logical and town motivated.
In post 241, Confirmation Bias wrote:@Taly - Clemency’s kind of like that, but I like him around. You can generally tell his alignment in the mid game. I think he’s specifically a Day 1 mislynch bait kind of player based on his style/attitude.
Whereas Chennis is mislynch bait because he’s easy to push and defends himself correctly, but in a way you still want to push him. Does that make sense?
Regardless, I don’t think Clemency has done anything scummy as of yet. Most things I’ve seen I expect to come more from town Clem.
~Conf
In post 258, Confirmation Bias wrote:None of that was based on this game, and it’s like proven that it shouldn’t be, which is why Shadow has much more of a chance than a Shoshin.
In post 444, Taly wrote:I don't think I have good meta on either of your heads even if I knew the other one.
@Confbias
Do you have any scumreads right now? Shitty bland question, but you're mostly voicing townreads and it seems counterproductive with the gamestate.
p-edit
ugh
nancy
if youre going to scumread everyone who suspects you this game then that just makes it much, much harder to solve you.
How so?
It’s Day 1.
You can check my recent town games, I almost exclusively town hunt rather than scum hunt early game. Occasionally something comes up, and I’ll push something, but when I do, I generally get the lynch to go through.
I mislynch/lynch scum Day 1 pretty evenly. I’m a late game town hyper carry, early game play by me is just me trying to get fed early, so I can carry later.
I can show you some games of mine that show I’m more of a town hunter. I think even townie moves are scummy later on, so I just mark them, and put all my thoughts out there, even if they’re little and seemingly unimportant. Let’s me know my thoughts later in the game.
That’s why I outed Myself, so i can help you guys read me, because I know there was some difficulties in it. I don’t have really major scum reads right now.
My other head thinks you’re scummy, Taly, but that just might be because they think it’s weird you’re coming after us, which I don’t. From what I remember of you, it makes sense that you as a player would come after my playstyle.
You’ve misread me so many times where I’ve solved the game, I can’t objectively say that you are.
We just play different.
Talking game specifics
I personally feel I’m the stronger late game town player, you’re the stronger early game town player.
You’re stronger mechanically, I’m far superior socially.
You are better with the playstyle that the general mass tends to play, I agree, but I don’t necessarily think that’s the correct way to play. I believe there are many different correct ways, but this site tends to focus on their being just one, and I think there’s just much more to Mafia than that.
In post 187, 0verki11 wrote:Clem is probably town
Dont like Oka
ive really only skimmed though and ill bother to fully read later today when theres more posts.
I don’t know if I actually think it’s scummy or not, but I see your point.
I could see it as town who isn’t invested in the game and is taking it at face value, and trying to make some analysis without actually being here in the game.
In post 547, Confirmation Bias wrote:Also, @Chennis - As scum, what could I possibly be trying to “take advantage of” with RC by having him
In post 543, Confirmation Bias wrote:You’ve also seen town me a few times now, I believe, so what makes you see that differently?
Looks advantage seeking, if you know what i mean. agenda based.
anyway if you are town kill scum with me.
Sure. You think Nancy replaces out here as scum? I generally like to think RC vs FL comes off as good for scum (i n the end it normally isn’t, I don’t think the combination of RC and I have ever lost besides one newbie game, but I won’t get into that game.)
In post 633, Confirmation Bias wrote:I actually remember townreading Over because even tho his content was sparse, it was the same reads I developed and almost the same reasons as well. (I think on Clem and Chenn)
Given agreement on reads and also similar thought process, from my PoV I think he's a bad push.
Ankamius, you said that the nuance in his reads is incongruent; can you explain that further? You think he's being coached to those stances, or something?
-Bias
Pedit: Conf check Discord?
In post 644, Confirmation Bias wrote:Mbaki, you feel Chennisden is scum because of the inconsistency in his caliber and confidence, right? His confidence itself seems to be consistent in that it's not a singular push he's very confident in, for example he blatantly calls 8-ball discussion "strictly anti-town" IIRC. Any other reason you feel he's scum?
Chen, do you still believe the RC FL interaction is AI? There have been previous games that went down like this with them TvT.
In post 709, Confirmation Bias wrote:I think Oka's reasoning for the Shadow push is sound. Overkill continues to be town for me. My vote for Oka earlier wasn't due to scumreading him, I was just helping wagon, and I don't have an impression on the slot.
Mbaki, can you explain the "garbage reasons" for SC town?
VOTE: ShadowlessCloud
-Bias
I just ISO’d CB and it’s a flaming town ISO. No way Maria slot ever flips scum here.
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:47 pm
by Moongrass
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:50 pm
by Moongrass
Just remember that Titus is town. Also if we had lynched scum today it's autowin. I told you RC is scum, he's the one lynching outside of the obvious PoE pools.
When you treestump tomorrow (because you will still need to lynch scum before 1 of 4) you can the 1 of 4 and Venge except scum will probably win by then that's why they're derailing the plan.
In post 5105, NanceFloor wrote:Well for someone who claims to be so adamantly opposed to killing obvtown, why even mention coalition alternatives to you/PB?
There's still that reason I'm not voting you and Sky in.
I’m not voting Maria, so who should I switch you with?
In post 241, Confirmation Bias wrote:@Taly - Clemency’s kind of like that, but I like him around. You can generally tell his alignment in the mid game. I think he’s specifically a Day 1 mislynch bait kind of player based on his style/attitude.
Whereas Chennis is mislynch bait because he’s easy to push and defends himself correctly, but in a way you still want to push him. Does that make sense?
Regardless, I don’t think Clemency has done anything scummy as of yet. Most things I’ve seen I expect to come more from town Clem.
~Conf
In post 258, Confirmation Bias wrote:None of that was based on this game, and it’s like proven that it shouldn’t be, which is why Shadow has much more of a chance than a Shoshin.
In post 444, Taly wrote:I don't think I have good meta on either of your heads even if I knew the other one.
@Confbias
Do you have any scumreads right now? Shitty bland question, but you're mostly voicing townreads and it seems counterproductive with the gamestate.
p-edit
ugh
nancy
if youre going to scumread everyone who suspects you this game then that just makes it much, much harder to solve you.
How so?
It’s Day 1.
You can check my recent town games, I almost exclusively town hunt rather than scum hunt early game. Occasionally something comes up, and I’ll push something, but when I do, I generally get the lynch to go through.
I mislynch/lynch scum Day 1 pretty evenly. I’m a late game town hyper carry, early game play by me is just me trying to get fed early, so I can carry later.
I can show you some games of mine that show I’m more of a town hunter. I think even townie moves are scummy later on, so I just mark them, and put all my thoughts out there, even if they’re little and seemingly unimportant. Let’s me know my thoughts later in the game.
That’s why I outed Myself, so i can help you guys read me, because I know there was some difficulties in it. I don’t have really major scum reads right now.
My other head thinks you’re scummy, Taly, but that just might be because they think it’s weird you’re coming after us, which I don’t. From what I remember of you, it makes sense that you as a player would come after my playstyle.
You’ve misread me so many times where I’ve solved the game, I can’t objectively say that you are.
We just play different.
Talking game specifics
I personally feel I’m the stronger late game town player, you’re the stronger early game town player.
You’re stronger mechanically, I’m far superior socially.
You are better with the playstyle that the general mass tends to play, I agree, but I don’t necessarily think that’s the correct way to play. I believe there are many different correct ways, but this site tends to focus on their being just one, and I think there’s just much more to Mafia than that.
In post 187, 0verki11 wrote:Clem is probably town
Dont like Oka
ive really only skimmed though and ill bother to fully read later today when theres more posts.
I don’t know if I actually think it’s scummy or not, but I see your point.
I could see it as town who isn’t invested in the game and is taking it at face value, and trying to make some analysis without actually being here in the game.
In post 547, Confirmation Bias wrote:Also, @Chennis - As scum, what could I possibly be trying to “take advantage of” with RC by having him
In post 543, Confirmation Bias wrote:You’ve also seen town me a few times now, I believe, so what makes you see that differently?
Looks advantage seeking, if you know what i mean. agenda based.
anyway if you are town kill scum with me.
Sure. You think Nancy replaces out here as scum? I generally like to think RC vs FL comes off as good for scum (i n the end it normally isn’t, I don’t think the combination of RC and I have ever lost besides one newbie game, but I won’t get into that game.)
In post 633, Confirmation Bias wrote:I actually remember townreading Over because even tho his content was sparse, it was the same reads I developed and almost the same reasons as well. (I think on Clem and Chenn)
Given agreement on reads and also similar thought process, from my PoV I think he's a bad push.
Ankamius, you said that the nuance in his reads is incongruent; can you explain that further? You think he's being coached to those stances, or something?
-Bias
Pedit: Conf check Discord?
In post 644, Confirmation Bias wrote:Mbaki, you feel Chennisden is scum because of the inconsistency in his caliber and confidence, right? His confidence itself seems to be consistent in that it's not a singular push he's very confident in, for example he blatantly calls 8-ball discussion "strictly anti-town" IIRC. Any other reason you feel he's scum?
Chen, do you still believe the RC FL interaction is AI? There have been previous games that went down like this with them TvT.
In post 709, Confirmation Bias wrote:I think Oka's reasoning for the Shadow push is sound. Overkill continues to be town for me. My vote for Oka earlier wasn't due to scumreading him, I was just helping wagon, and I don't have an impression on the slot.
Mbaki, can you explain the "garbage reasons" for SC town?
VOTE: ShadowlessCloud
-Bias
I just ISO’d CB and it’s a flaming town ISO. No way Maria slot ever flips scum here.
Wow, so sorry that my evidence strongly pointing towards Maria town, is so boring to you. Yeah, what was I thinking, trying to present the evidence to prevent a clear mislynch, after scum kills us?
We already lost PB, I’m not letting Maria mislynch happen too.
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:19 pm
by NanceFloor
In post 6667, Moongrass wrote:Just remember that Titus is town. Also if we had lynched scum today it's autowin. I told you RC is scum, he's the one lynching outside of the obvious PoE pools.
When you treestump tomorrow (because you will still need to lynch scum before 1 of 4) you can the 1 of 4 and Venge except scum will probably win by then that's why they're derailing the plan.
You seriously think I’m taking
your
word for ANYTHING in this game?
No, RC is town.
Us/RC/Sky/Maria/Overkill11 are all town and if you flip red, the only slot that could possibly be your partner is Titus because scum doesn’t voluntarily bus atp in the game. Maria’s thought processes have been super townie and 180 degrees different from her scum responses. So, no one other than Titus could possibly be your partner. If you flip red, we don’t even need to bother with 1of4. Otoh, if you flip town, Titus is probably clear. And if Titus is scum, we need to find this out sooner than later, since she has been leading/and will continue to lead town in a bad direction. TD/Chenn aren’t really doing anything to actually harm the gamestate, so the sooner we sort Titus the better and your flip, will very likely do just that.
Since I’m very likely to be the next NK, I want to get as much solving into this game as possible, so that town doesn’t fuck things up with either an RC or Maria mislynch and your red flip spews TD/Chenn town.
I’m going to assume that no one in their right mind will ever entertain, even the extremely remote possibility of a scum!Sky, although, I have no doubt, Titus would unsuccessfully try to push that. Overkill11 is clear by VCA by staying on Creature/Chemist wagon.
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:43 pm
by chennisden
NF play as though you know Moon flips scum because Moon flips scum
