Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:28 am
ugh, you distracting me
I'll be back with some
ggy
by tilting me omgI'll be back with some
Gemerald/Ggy
analysis.I'm literally trying to give you as much space to talk and discuss things with other people as I can and I make a single post followed by you sextuple-posting and saying I'm tilting youTaly wrote:ugh, you distracting meggyby tilting me omg
I'll be back with someGemerald/Ggyanalysis.
this is a weird post, given you were previously doubting my self-clearIn post 6643, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like I would have put up you/Ydrasse, or maybe you/petaIn post 6613, Gammagooey wrote:I'd like to see some posting from GE+Ydrasse about who they would have put up if they got to be ruler, who they think is most likely scum, etc (Ydrasse I think was planning on going over some stuff today)
I don’t rlly think peta is scum rn tho, but that’s somewhat off the back of some of the stuff he’s done in this phase
I don’t really recall this singular focus of his on past interactions ever coming up this way in FGO 2
this post literally doesn't even say anything about gamma lolIn post 4818, Harley Quinn wrote:I guess I should trust Pooky on Gamma but I want to hear his answer to my Ydrasse question first because I don’t like it that he isn’t voting her.In post 1455, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like let's say this chair thing is something good.
and Gamma is trying to get into the chair because he's a stagehand and he knows the chair is good.[Theory]
Dunnstral is saying the theory is incorrect because Gamma could've just voted himself into the chair but Gamma didn't - hence he can't be a stagehand who wants to get into the chair. [Theory is wrong]
This completely ignores the fact that if Gamma were to vote himself into the chair, and it was something good, Gamma would look hella susp for it, aka the rest of the game when maybe we get a chance to kill him.
So it's not as simple as Dunnstral is making it.
Dunnstral is likegoodat mech, so he should recognize this, but he simplifies it.
That feels informed to me.
Also he ignored Gamma's vote on him completely and chooses to comment on this part without really commenting on actual relevant shit.
In post 4474, Harley Quinn wrote:I think this is Ydrasse town meta and Taly actively posting nuanced reads plus tone is usually a good sign.In post 4459, SirCakez wrote:would also send Taly and Ydra right now
little more leery of Peta right now post-Infinity flip
In post 4574, Harley Quinn wrote:Ydra town. This is rarely a buddy read.In post 2433, Dunnstral wrote:I haven't been paying attention to Ydra this game.
So I started skimming and I lean town, and here's why:
I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis
In this game I don't see the falling off or the fluffy
In post 4674, Harley Quinn wrote:When I repped in, all I considered was whether or not I thought that slot would be town. What should have thought more about but didn’t, was if they’re reads were good or not and clearly their Infinity/Ydra reads were really dumb.In post 4672, Gamma Emerald wrote:@ulya I think peta was looking at Saber shading infinity/skitter/Ydrasse
Also getting real tired of you consistently harping on the same shit from me
In post 4803, Harley Quinn wrote:How is Ydra not in this list?In post 4760, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m not. I’d really like to get my top TRs across (myself, peta, Taly, skitter, Ggy)In post 4753, Taly wrote:First plan you've given this event that I'm actually pretty OK with.In post 4751, Toogeloo wrote:Here ya go.
My first 4 across would be Cakez, dwlee, Gamma, and then myself, in that order. If no one dies, and game isn't over, well, we at least have something to talk about.
This plan only just leaves enough room for them and I’d really rather purge as many of my actual SRs as possible rather than people I’m just somewhat worried about atp
In post 4817, Harley Quinn wrote:Did anything change with this Gamma? Why aren’t you voting Ydrasse?In post 816, Gamma Emerald wrote:Pooky and Ydrasse can be marked as TRs, Ydrasse in “not shooting” territory as well
In post 4845, Harley Quinn wrote:I thought we were supposed to vote our most confident trs first. So, should I unvote them then?In post 4821, Gamma Emerald wrote:also the plan is still not entirely formed wrt whether we want more or less trusted folks to cross first
as clearly evidenced by you wanting ydrasse (your townread) voted across when me and dwlee are having talks that involve more suspected slots crossing first
In post 4866, Harley Quinn wrote:Scum!Ydra never makes this post.In post 4667, Ydrasse wrote:help harley and gamma are the only ppl i trust with my life and people wanna kill one of them ahhhhhhh
so harley comes into the game, spouting a bunch of overconfident reads off very little. and I think the way she insists on the strength of Ydrasse being town here is just a TMI townreadIn post 5045, Harley Quinn wrote:Okay, lost my initial tr on this slot. Ydrasse should never be left behind.In post 5038, Gammagooey wrote:I finished rereeading through some stuff to try to read Ydrasse and Gypyx better and it was mostly not helpful. I do think I should downgrade Gyoyx/Prism from strong town to regular town read b/c most of my read came from the Prism slot and just Gypyx *efforting* but he still comes across as town to me
Ydrasse wasn't around much for pages like 50-70, kinda helped start the Galron wagon and then wasn't around for a while but also those pages were like a single real-life day so I don't think it's anything to really hold against her. Ydrasse also wasn't around a ton in blue PT which is slightly eh but most of her content there was pushing Toog which I can't really fault either.
My perfect left behind-team atm is prob skitter/Saber/Ydrasse/whoever Ydrasse wants to take down with her but I'm much more concerned with just getting skitter/saber dead atm
If Taly gets within hammer range of sending across I'll do it even though I want him to go later, but also I want to be slamming through the first 4 people once we've got the 1st person crossing.
VOTE: petapan for now
oh hey more posts. I would still push dwlee through too and be perfectly happy about it, so if more votes go in that direction I'll jump back on dwlee wagon. Gemerald is also fine would vote to cross
oh and LAST THING I probably don't have much time to post until Saturday evening except for tomorrow morning and pop-ins to change my vote as a heads-up.
In post 2276, skitter30 wrote:you and dunn are the worst of itIn post 2272, unwnd wrote:If you don't feel particularly convinced about Cakez skitter you could weigh in on the other subjects on Gamma's wagon for me
i'm looking though dunn/taly again, there's not a ton to take away there, but dunn shading taly when he's distancing with skitter is probably very slightly +town? eh.In post 2279, Dunnstral wrote:In post 1084, Gamma Emerald wrote:whatever. Just eliminate me within the next hour or so so I can cry myself to sleep.In post 1116, Taly wrote:I have to go to bed.Intent to hammer Gamma tomorrow morning
I mainly want to give Gypyx time to catch up more.My vote on Gamma wasn't nearly "the worst", nor is it even particularly ai, arguably. Trying to paint this as me having a substantial say in what happened when it was pretty much decided already without any input from me is a bad look.In post 1120, Galron wrote:I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.
honestly this type of interaction is >rand scum/scum lolIn post 789, Saber wrote:Sorry, still catching up, flightful bird! I love the costume by the way, I'll just assume it's a hobby and not something you're being paid for.In post 779, Taly wrote:Saber talk yomeeee
this, though, the strong townread is probably just an informed read, sometimes scum aggressively powerwolf but notably, i just checked: Saber basically NEVER gave a concrete read on skitter, certainly not in this manner, and only justified her townread on skitt when confronted on it in the blue roomIn post 1036, Saber wrote:Taly's probably my strongest contestant for how pure and cheerful he is and how he encourages players to engage and play the game in fun ways. There's almost an agenda in the way he posts, but the agenda is to get everyone to post more and have fun which would be quite disadvantageous as a stagehand. The Gamma case was also very good.
I saw you asked me a question earlier Taly and I'll go dig it up tomorrow, I need to sleep soon.
In post 1069, Saber wrote:Happy to help!In post 1067, Taly wrote:Hehe yayIn post 1036, Saber wrote:Taly's probably my strongest contestant for how pure and cheerful he is and how he encourages players to engage and play the game in fun ways. There's almost an agenda in the way he posts, but the agenda is to get everyone to post more and have fun which would be quite disadvantageous as a stagehand. The Gamma case was also very good.
I saw you asked me a question earlier Taly and I'll go dig it up tomorrow, I need to sleep soon.
This rose my wim. Thank you.
these are posts. I don't have thoughts on them.In post 1261, Saber wrote:Thoughts that come to my head right now:In post 973, Taly wrote:In post 792, Saber wrote:All caught up. Free to be of assistance, Taly.
VOTE: Gamma
I'll get back to you on 780, Dwlee. I'm skimming through the script of the previous show Radio Buzz to see if I can ascertain any differences.
How do you feel aboutCakez-Toog-Cephrir?
Cakez - Unsure, but I remember disliking some of his takes.
Toog - His uncaring play is more likely to be town, doesn't give the feeling he cares about how his posts will look every time he pops in. An example would be the vote on Prism.
Cephrir - Was below null until he started posting about how this game is a wash because of similarities to the last show etc which I thought was pretty towny.
this sort of aggressive buddying is actually proobably less likely to come from scum
there's some cases where certain players do this kind of cheeky scumclaim so they can rub it in your ace in postgame when it gets ignored, but mehIn post 1697, Saber wrote:I'm stagehands with Taly, Taly, and Taly actually. I wasn't sure why Morning Tweet allowed a reverse-hydra in the game, but Taly assured her it'd be fine and he'd 'carry'.
In post 1918, Saber wrote:It was less about it being tactical, and more about it feeling unnatural.In post 1783, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Saber: I get how you thought my play was erratic in a way that felt tactical, but I can probably point to a few games where I've made sharp turns at critical moments as town. What I think I'm most interested in is your reads in general, because aside from your reads on me and Galron, those don't feel exactly clear rn. I've at least sussed out from your ISO that you TR Taly and ulyana.
As for my reads:
Taly
skitter petapan
Ydrasse Infinity
Gamma Toogeloo Cephrir
SirCakez Dunnstral Dwlee
Galron
Maybe something like this. By the way, I won't be free much this weekend but I will return with spoils of war.
honestly theIn post 2434, Saber wrote:I don't believe Pooky's prodding towards me end of day was any real suspicion, I read it as he thought I was a contestant and would be sad if I was a stagehand.In post 2114, Taly wrote:I'm mindmelding strongly withSaber. I think it's best I lean in and refrain from suspicion here. I did notice that she hasn't touched my recent posts on her.
I think I'd preferpetaoverDunnat the moment. I did not like his interaction withGalronat all.
In post 2436, Saber wrote:2127 - Oozes contestants from Taly, I don't see a stagehand faking a winding complex thought process like this.
this is nothing to me. the townread on taly here is probably toward the pockety side based on their dynamic but i wouldn't really clear based on itIn post 2861, Saber wrote:I feel dumb for saying it but I unironically think she's a contestant for all the 'mmmmmmmm's and instantaneous reactions she puts in the thread to posts that make her think. It's an easily fakeable thing but something I don't think stagehands normally think to fake, since it does little to actually make them look like a contestant.In post 2767, Taly wrote:Ulyis void of scum motivation. I feel she would have trapped herself by now. She seems to be closer to a stream of consciousness type player and the rabbit holes she digs herself in do not feel fluffy because it is genuine.
Drunk Cakez's posting is funny and that's all I got.In post 2776, Taly wrote:Oh, what the hell.
VOTE: Cakez
The two-ended admission of bussing is very on the nose.
Plus my self-vote is at best distracting with less payoff the longer it is on.
big shrug. skitt giving an early townread on someone can easily be a move to attempt to influence favorable views toward a teammate, the fact that she hedges it with "kinda" is suspect to meIn post 607, skitter30 wrote:i think prism comes off infinitely better than gamma in their spat
i'm kinda liking taly now too
In post 625, skitter30 wrote:what do u mean by this?In post 612, Taly wrote:or is using my answers to determine how to maneuver this game.
In post 612, Taly wrote:What do you mean by "off"?the issue that i'm having here is that i'm used to town-infinity having more 'oomph' and 'being here' more than she has been, esp. in response to my saying i scumread her. usually if town-her feels i'm reading her wrong (which has happened multiple times in the past), she kicks into gear, starts pushing me, and has a visceral sort of response. here she's kinda just passively accepting it and not really doing anything abt it, which i think is a reaction much more likely to come from scum-her.In post 613, petapan wrote:felt good early because she was making reads amidst the usual fluffing around nonsense, review of the ISO leaves me feeling more neutral. doesn't really seem obvscum to me, just kind of thereIn post 611, skitter30 wrote:also what does everyone think abt infinity?
like the fact that she's 'just kinda there' is what i'm finding scummy here.
i mean, hrmIn post 1006, skitter30 wrote:ah here we gohere's where i'm at ^In post 0, Morning Tweet wrote:Cephrir - scumvibes
petapan - feels weird. idk if that makes him scum necessarily but yeah
ulyana - probably town
Ydrasse - scum-ish
Saber - no thoughts
PookyTheMagicalBear - maybe town?
SirCakez - probably town
skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness, etc
Gypyx - had some townpings on prism, but she isn't a slot i can read confidentally. liked gypyx's entrance tho
Infinity 324 - still kinda weirded out by her lack of reaction to me voting her, and i think she's townreading me too easily
Toogeloo - honestly feels too clueless/unaware of what's happening to be scum
Galron - very underwhelmed thus far. was p easy to pick out town-him in radio buzz but not really seeing the same things here yet. could be because he hasn't caught up so i'll give this a little more time but right now feels kinda scummy
Dunnstral - forgot he's in the game
Dwlee99 - scum
Taly - townie
Gamma Emerald - scum
this is a question. there's no further dialogue off this.In post 1016, skitter30 wrote:taly why are you liking ydra here?In post 931, Taly wrote:Or you could look at players that personally give me fuzzy warm vibes: Infinity/Pooky/Ydra/Saber
minor interaction.In post 1447, skitter30 wrote:i was a little confused by the prior version of this lol >.>In post 1310, Taly wrote:If Galron was scum, why **NOT** go against my wishes about hammering intention?
Oopsiss my brain has hit its limt
and, well, why would he do that after you explicilty asked people not to. would just needlessly call attention to himself
man so many pedits >.>
i'm not sure skitter ever gets back to thisIn post 1679, skitter30 wrote:In post 1641, Saber wrote:Nah, Galron may be dealing drugs on the side but Gamma is the shining stagehand. I implore you to vote him.In post 1646, Taly wrote:Is it impossible that both wagons have been largely town-led regardless of Gamma/Galron's alignment? It's almost a distraction to consider what the scumteam as a whole could be doing D1 in this game because they have more information of the chair than the rest of plist.
What do you think the scum has been doing this game?i'm gonna take a rain check and come back to these, i'm sorry, i just can't string together words coherently rnIn post 1648, Galron wrote:Matadoring Gamma's wagon.In post 1642, skitter30 wrote:so from your pov what have scum been doing this phase?
but will circle back and respond when i can
In post 2121, skitter30 wrote:taly can you say why you're suspicious of peta
(and/or point me in the right direction if you already have don so?)
these are some posts and stuff, it's all minorIn post 2210, skitter30 wrote:yeah i'm not saying we should force that to be today's duel or anything but just noting that i don't think anything happened to contravene the svs theoryIn post 2132, Taly wrote:While I agree with this, aIn post 2118, skitter30 wrote:just gonna point out that even though i townread gamma at this point we technically we haven't really seen anything that disproves s/sIn post 2106, Saber wrote:Most vocal stagehand or suspicions from Pooky I can see are on Gamma, Dunnstral, and petapan. He also supported a S-S theory for the two leading wagons.
if they were actually svs wagons picking your partner and then sabotaging the flip is a great way to make you look unaligned in that situationGamma/Galronduel feels both like something scum would predict and a rehash from the chair vote. I'd like to see new contestants in the hot seat.
In post 2530, skitter30 wrote:i think u kinda are, yeah. like i've been reading everything you've been saying about him and idk it doesn't look super compelling to me. i think some of his posts rubbed you the wrong way and it then just kinda spiraled from thereIn post 2525, Taly wrote:skitter Am I tunneled on peta? I feel like their reaction my suspicion of then has just been dismissive and I don't like their complacency with voteparking on ydra.
In post 2793, skitter30 wrote:I thinj she's being a little bit mercurial but got fired up/engaged when unwnd pushed her, so once she found a scumread she felt good abt she wanted to make rhat happenIn post 2766, Taly wrote:I'm confused withYdra. I had the thought that they wanted to be in a duel, so the persecution ofunwndfeels hard to follow?
In post 2794, skitter30 wrote:?In post 2776, Taly wrote:Oh, what the hell.
VOTE: Cakez
The two-ended admission of bussing is very on the nose.
Plus my self-vote is at best distracting with less payoff the longer it is on.
I thought he was p townie tonight
In post 2798, skitter30 wrote:I dont see it
In post 2799, Taly wrote:Aww.
Hmmm. I don't know how to read Cakez tbh. Which is as fencesitty as it sounds.
Any other names?
In post 2801, skitter30 wrote:I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote
this is all...okay. the dialogue does negate my concern from the last set of stuff a bit, and the asking who to vote -> vote dunn based on what skitter says would be weird for a bus? idkIn post 2802, Taly wrote:I took his last post of "but actually" as a "will get to youTalyASAP."
VOTE: DunnIn post 2801, skitter30 wrote:I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote
Teamwork makes the dreamwork.
Dunn, do something.
i dunno this dialogue doesn't make me think much of either of them. could squint and say the extent to which skitter seems invested is +town but don't know if i believe thatIn post 2805, skitter30 wrote:Ah ok - was willing for a read/ur thoughts on the unwnd/ydra thing. Would u mind sharing that and/or requoting if i missed itIn post 2802, Taly wrote:I took his last post of "but actually" as a "will get to youTalyASAP."
VOTE: DunnIn post 2801, skitter30 wrote:I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote
Teamwork makes the dreamwork.
Dunn, do something.
(Tomorrow is fine tho, night!)
And a dunn/unwnd duel would be cool
defense here leans toward this being skitter whiteknighting, again, given overall play patternsIn post 3032, skitter30 wrote:also i read this and just kinda went :huh?:In post 2981, unwnd wrote:Taly is a big question mark for me because they don't fit in my mind. This is a curious (?) where I don't think they're townie but also not null. They're a hard elimination and in my absolute tinfoil paranoia I think they're being protected by scum. I have less on the motivations of why, but I feel their presence to not be something that relieves me. Maybe it's their nature to weird, but I can't townread weird because something tells me that Taly is probably decent at his own weirdness and using it as a means to be townread. There's nothing entirely wrong with his approach but that alone makes me question because it is presented in such a processed and orderly manner where every appearance by him is very deliberate. It would be townie in another game but not this one, and not based on the events that have happened.
i don't think taly is being theatrical/processed at all, and i don't' think he's getting townread for 'weirdness' either
and where do you see 'protected by scum' ? like what does that mean and where is that happening
In post 3538, skitter30 wrote: Also i am significantly more sus of taly after the pt, i would just like to say
Toog did look better in the pt too fwiw
In post 3544, skitter30 wrote:Also i do think there's something weird going on in taly/dwlee
In post 3546, skitter30 wrote:Yeah also i dont remember taly wanting cakez, he was pushing ydra a whole lot
In post 3586, skitter30 wrote:Not a good reaction to that ...In post 3566, Taly wrote:oh, I'm getting BoP'd on my few scum games. Love it.
In post 3872, skitter30 wrote:i feel like i described my issues r.e. dwlee in the pt, no?In post 3671, Taly wrote:And if she is town, I want to work with Skitter. But her posts about outlining suspicion with my progression over Dwlee without digressing into it and saying my reaction to peta was bad without looking at the following posts that narrated my viewpoint, vexes me.
also you weren't getting bop'd by your scumgames so that post felt somewhat straw-man-y + the annoyance felt out of place
pedit ok
i mean, urgh. the sudden turnabout and shade here...actually feels kind of suspect, toward the minor distancing skitter did with her other teammates?
random citing skitter distancing hereIn post 3880, skitter30 wrote:saber's tilt is nai but her content is just kinda ~lacking~ tbh
In post 3939, skitter30 wrote:i was wrong abt the order of the votes on dunn, sureIn post 3933, Taly wrote:I just don't understand why this isn't a good reason for you reevaluate here if you're town. It feels agenda based.In post 3928, skitter30 wrote:i mean i feel like you've been wanting to come to this conclusion for a whileIn post 3924, Taly wrote:And I don't know if this changes my mind thatIn post 3922, skitter30 wrote:i thought it was infinity's vote that tipped the dunn wagon over >.>
my mistake
i don't know if that really changes my mind on either of you thoDwleehas a point about you being scum.
that still doesn't change the fact that timing of peta's scumread on dunn was bad, or that i dislike most of trajectory in the duel either
infinity's vote wasn't the only reason i was townreading them, and i think that her play post-pt this phase was quite townie for her too
between the 2 i'd still want peta. i don't think i'm voting infinity here
In post 3951, skitter30 wrote:i don't remember you wanting dunn at allIn post 3948, Taly wrote:In post 3943, Dwlee99 wrote:You were hypothesizing me scum in the pink chat I thought...In post 3944, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay NVM your first thing there was saying you "feel better" about me thereSkittersusses me a good bit at this point.
In post 4419, skitter30 wrote:i'm more than a little bit annoyed that infinity died last event
~
i was kinda thinking at first that this like coalition where we want to vote in 4 people we think are town to just auto-win but then i realized that scum are just gonna kill someone they find annoying/threatening in the first 4 crossers to prevent that from happening.In post 4277, Morning Tweet wrote:If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.
i think the best way to use this is to figure out who the 4 sketchiest people are and not-cross them in order to mass-resolve generally suspicious slots, and then by default cross over everyone else
this is probably a good time to resolve toog tbh. saberslot i think should be uncrossed as well
i'm still kinda suspicious of taly too
~
also the event mechanics are really cool @tweetie! the art for each event is so evocative
In post 4426, skitter30 wrote:i don't quite folow your progression in the pink pt on me or infinity, or why you kept trying to make ydra happen, and your interactions with dwlee feel weirdIn post 4422, Taly wrote:I still don't quite follow your progression on me.
all this stuff is honestly a big hrmery to meIn post 4442, skitter30 wrote:i guess the part that i'm having trouble with is why you're kinda molding your pov of the game off of dwlee's hereIn post 4430, Taly wrote:Skitter, I've felt that I've been very consistent in being pro-Dwlee before the PT occurred. I instinctively trusted their POV of the game at the time beyond the rest of the PT when I otherwise was doubting my own perception of pink team being all town. I figured their tunnel on you/Skitter was an invisible strategy to take as scum because that only harms their credibility by pushing known misims OR if they were a partner of either of you, it would be odd to bus when nobody bit onto the read at the time.
I don't know the context of you and Infinity's history well, so when I read the moment Dwlee saw you two as potential partners (around the moment you suspected Infinity for their tone), it made me rethink your slots because Infinity has been tonally different than town games I've seen before, and I had difficulty parsing your progression as well as your push for Peta in the PT when you acknowledged that Cakez/Unwnd was T/S.
My vote on Ydra was largely motivated to consolidate with Dwlee when I wasn't convinced of peta, began to lose trust in my read on both of you, and didn't think Cakez was a slot people entertained.
Granted, I'm annoyed at my play here because I spent half the PT just replying to people to justify my suspicion of Ydra, and got frustrated when I felt like people were just dismissing me by staring that Ydra's alignment was obvious when it wasn't to me.
And that helped my confbias into a potential Ydra+Infinity and/or Skitter mentality at the time.
like that's the bit that i'm not understanding