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Post Post #6675 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:12 pm

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Vote Count #5.7 (unchanged):


podoboq:
SirCakez, Marquis, Malakittens, Flubbernugget (4)
dramonic:
itlepip, pistachi0n, drmyshottyizsik (3)
SirCakez:
podoboq (1)
The Pied Piper:
dramonic (1)

Not Voting:
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With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


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(expired on 2016-06-12 10:00:00)
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Post Post #6676 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:17 pm

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In post 6663, Mirhawk wrote: You've got to be either the vig, the roleblocker/jailkeeper, or the one responsible for the wig nonsense. None of those will autotown you, and none of those are even particularly important to hide at this point either.
This is garbage and false
In post 6664, Mirhawk wrote:You say you think you know what Cerbs role is and that it makes him scummy, but you don't want to tell us what it is or why he's scummy. Thanks a lot.

You both say your flavor is related to someone else's, but are still refusing to say what or why for -reasons-. It is by the way painfully obvious to everyone that you're talking about each other here.

Everyone's keeping secrets for stupid reasons and it's driving me nuts.
I'm going to claim tomorrow don't worry.
I'm pretty I already said my role was likely related to Cerb's? That's not a secret.
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Post Post #6677 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:15 pm

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Resetting my timer
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Post Post #6678 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:08 pm

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In post 6667, podoboq wrote:
In post 6665, itlepip wrote:hi guys, let's lynch someone soon k?
What's with the rush? We have almost four days. I'd like to use that time to get some information into the game.
nobody's willing to give information

so let's lynch dramonic
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Post Post #6679 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:51 pm

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I object to this plan
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Post Post #6680 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:07 pm

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In post 6677, Flubbernugget wrote:Resetting my timer
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GTK a me, currently live, this may be your only chance!
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10688009
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Post Post #6681 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:30 pm

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In post 6680, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 6677, Flubbernugget wrote:Resetting my timer
VOTE: Flubbernugget
still thinking we should lynch podo...
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Post Post #6682 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:35 pm

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Let's do it, then.

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Post Post #6683 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 6682, The Pied Piper wrote:Let's do it, then.

VOTE: podoboq L-2
I thought I was a townread of yours. Did that change, or are you just trying to avoid a no lynch?
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Post Post #6684 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:47 am

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anything happened yet? no? ok.
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Post Post #6685 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:48 am

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Podo or Flubber, one has to go
Before anyone yells at me yes I know I said I didn't want to lynch Podo earlier. That's been retracted since due to his bizarre "you're the SK, claim now" stance he's taking. Also the way he's trying to replicate something he did as town in a previous game feels like a scum tactic.
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Post Post #6686 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:56 am

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In post 6685, SirCakez wrote:Also the way he's trying to replicate something he did as town in a previous game feels like a scum tactic.
It's a gambit that I ran as town that didn't help get me town points (and wasn't intended to). Why would I run the gambit, then bring it up a month later to try to get town points here?

I didn't point it out to be read as town, I pointed it out because after I'm lynched, it'd be cool if people looked at it and tried to see what I'm seeing. At this point, I'm kind of just ready to get flipped so that we can resolve this and just lynch you. Your play today has been immensely scummy, and I think people will be able to look at that with a little more clarity during the downtime.
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Post Post #6687 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:57 am

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In post 6684, drmyshottyizsik wrote:anything happened yet? no? ok.
You can help make something happen. Want to vote Cakez and make him claim?
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Post Post #6688 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:59 am

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@podoboq: You were a townread of ours, but I did some more thinking about you recently, and it occurred to me that your reaction to being townread by too many people, which I was townreading you for earlier, was very similar to the way I reacted to being townread in my second scumgame, which was multiball, towards the end of day 1 when I (correctly) realised I was in danger of being crosskilled by being the towniest player in the game. Your asking to come under more scrutiny could be an attempt to shed excess towncred. Some of your posts remind me of my own attempt to solve the "i stuck my neck out too far" problem in that game. I linked to it in .

Also, some of the reasons that I were townreading you were contingent on there not being an SK. For example I didn't think that you calling out to Axel on day 1 and begging him to hammer Ranger was something you were likely to do if you were scum together with Axel, and you were on the Skybird wagon very early. Being an SK is very similar to being town, in that you don't know who the groupscum are so you can scumhunt genuinely.
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Post Post #6689 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:06 am

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In post 6688, The Pied Piper wrote:Your asking to come under more scrutiny could be an attempt to shed excess towncred.
I legitimately don't understand why scum would want to "shed excess towncred." Forget about me trying to convince you of anything, I'm already basically resigned to getting lynched today. Could you explain to me the strategy in what you're talking about?
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Post Post #6690 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:07 am

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In post 6687, podoboq wrote:
In post 6684, drmyshottyizsik wrote:anything happened yet? no? ok.
You can help make something happen. Want to vote Cakez and make him claim?
See crap like this makes me scumread you
I have a claim that will make me obvtown and you want me to claim it and let scum know? hell no
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Post Post #6691 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:12 am

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As for the SK thing, because I feel a responsibility to respond to it:
In post 6688, The Pied Piper wrote:Also, some of the reasons that I were townreading you were contingent on there not being an SK. For example I didn't think that you calling out to Axel on day 1 and begging him to hammer Ranger was something you were likely to do if you were scum together with Axel, and you were on the Skybird wagon very early. Being an SK is very similar to being town, in that you don't know who the groupscum are so you can scumhunt genuinely.
You're right that SK!me wouldn't know who to buddy up with, which would explain why I buddied a bit with Axel and why I've buddied with Cakez (sorry bro, pretty confident about this one.) But is there actually a world in which I'm the SK here? The whole reason we're talking about it is because I brought up the possibility of it. It's because of dramonic's and my back and forth that we came to the conclusion to never let a claimed vig make it far enough to destroy the game, in case they're an SK? If I'm the SK, I sabotaged their only plausible route to victory for....?

There's absolutely no reason, as SK, for me to play this day the way I have.
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Post Post #6692 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:15 am

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In post 6690, SirCakez wrote:
In post 6687, podoboq wrote:
In post 6684, drmyshottyizsik wrote:anything happened yet? no? ok.
You can help make something happen. Want to vote Cakez and make him claim?
See crap like this makes me scumread you
I have a claim that will make me obvtown and you want me to claim it and let scum know? hell no
In post 6661, Mirhawk wrote:Also if you have a role that will autotown you what possible use is there in hiding it now? Scum have three confirmed town to kill already, throwing a fourth on the pile certainly won't hurt the situation.
What the hell is the damage of claiming here when it makes you obvtown, and expands the circle of town in a very nearly solved game? You're just stalling, or extremely paranoid, and I think you're too good a player to just be paranoid.
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Post Post #6693 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:16 am

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I want to test the freaking flavor cop
I can't even remember how many times I've said this
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Post Post #6694 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:17 am

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In post 6693, SirCakez wrote:I want to test the freaking flavor cop
I can't even remember how many times I've said this
And your musical can 100% be discerned from information about your role? Cool.
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Post Post #6695 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:19 am

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In post 6693, SirCakez wrote:I want to test the freaking flavor cop
I can't even remember how many times I've said this
Also, why? There are other people who haven't claimed flavor, other people that shotty could target to prove his role. And even if there weren't, why do we care to force him to prove his role when it's obviously true anyway? Even if he proved his role, it isn't necessarily indicative of his alignment, so it doesn't necessarily give us
anything
more than what we already have, which is obvtown because of TO's obvtown play.

I can't even remember how many times I've said this
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Post Post #6696 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:20 am

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In post 6689, podoboq wrote:
In post 6688, The Pied Piper wrote:Your asking to come under more scrutiny could be an attempt to shed excess towncred.
I legitimately don't understand why scum would want to "shed excess towncred." Forget about me trying to convince you of anything, I'm already basically resigned to getting lynched today. Could you explain to me the strategy in what you're talking about?
I was an arsonist in WiFoM city back in October, and for most of the game, I was in danger of being nightkilled by the groupscum. I needed to look town enough to not get lynched, but not so town that groupscum nightkilled me.

In my second scumgame, the setup was like 2:2:1:1:1:1:1:1:3 or something with the 3 being town and I was on a two player scumteam but my buddy was modkilled very early into day 1. Nacho was one of the 5 third parties (the remaining 1s was a mafia traitor who could've joined either scumteam). In that game, I was the only player who was scumhunting, engaging with everybody, posting actively, and looking town. I didn't know how to turn the obvtown off yet because I was a newbie. I realised that I was probably going to get nightkilled and lose the game, so I started begging other people to stick their necks out too and saying that we probably all have the best role PMs we've ever gotten so that's not a good reason to hang back, and I tried to get other people to scumhunt and look towner than me so that they would get nightkilled instead of me, but my efforts just made me look even more town than I already looked, and then I was nightkilled on night 1 and lost the game.

If you're an SK, or if you're the last member of your scumteam, you lose the game if you're nightkilled, so you don't want to look too town, you want to look kind of in the middle. You were asking other people to push on you and scumhunt you and put you under more pressure. If people start looking into you, you'll look more lynchable and less likely to be nightkilled.
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Post Post #6697 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:24 am

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In post 6694, podoboq wrote:
In post 6693, SirCakez wrote:I want to test the freaking flavor cop
I can't even remember how many times I've said this
And your musical can 100% be discerned from information about your role? Cool.
Yes
In post 6695, podoboq wrote:
In post 6693, SirCakez wrote:I want to test the freaking flavor cop
I can't even remember how many times I've said this
Also, why? There are other people who haven't claimed flavor, other people that shotty could target to prove his role. And even if there weren't, why do we care to force him to prove his role when it's obviously true anyway? Even if he proved his role, it isn't necessarily indicative of his alignment, so it doesn't necessarily give us
anything
more than what we already have, which is obvtown because of TO's obvtown play.

I can't even remember how many times I've said this
Only three people I think haven't claimed flavor
If too many claim flavor then scum can just NK whoever didn't claim flavor and give him an out if he's scum

Also the fact he said he got no result night 1 and 2 means he's probably not a rolecop or anything like that if he's scum
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Post Post #6698 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:28 am

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In post 6696, The Pied Piper wrote:
In post 6689, podoboq wrote:
In post 6688, The Pied Piper wrote:Your asking to come under more scrutiny could be an attempt to shed excess towncred.
I legitimately don't understand why scum would want to "shed excess towncred." Forget about me trying to convince you of anything, I'm already basically resigned to getting lynched today. Could you explain to me the strategy in what you're talking about?
I was an arsonist in WiFoM city back in October, and for most of the game, I was in danger of being nightkilled by the groupscum. I needed to look town enough to not get lynched, but not so town that groupscum nightkilled me.

In my second scumgame, the setup was like 2:2:1:1:1:1:1:1:3 or something with the 3 being town and I was on a two player scumteam but my buddy was modkilled very early into day 1. Nacho was one of the 5 third parties (the remaining 1s was a mafia traitor who could've joined either scumteam). In that game, I was the only player who was scumhunting, engaging with everybody, posting actively, and looking town. I didn't know how to turn the obvtown off yet because I was a newbie. I realised that I was probably going to get nightkilled and lose the game, so I started begging other people to stick their necks out too and saying that we probably all have the best role PMs we've ever gotten so that's not a good reason to hang back, and I tried to get other people to scumhunt and look towner than me so that they would get nightkilled instead of me, but my efforts just made me look even more town than I already looked, and then I was nightkilled on night 1 and lost the game.

If you're an SK, or if you're the last member of your scumteam, you lose the game if you're nightkilled, so you don't want to look too town, you want to look kind of in the middle. You were asking other people to push on you and scumhunt you and put you under more pressure. If people start looking into you, you'll look more lynchable and less likely to be nightkilled.
From the mafiscum wiki:
"Serial Killers are often given One-Shot or unlimited Bulletproof. This stymies attempts to kill the SK by the Mafia or Vigs, if temporarily."

This is something I'm familiar with from Town of Salem. If I'm being viewed as a townleader (which I absolutely never was, there were always several people more obvtown than me, including three conftown), and if I'm targeted at night by the mafia because they see me as a townleader, then cool, they wasted a kill. SK is bulletproof. I'd rather risk being targeted by them than by town.

Plus, how do you factor in the vig crumb gambit when your concern is that I'm trying to avoid being a NK target, and I literally did a thing to make myself be a NK target?
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Post Post #6699 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:30 am

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that SvS exchange
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