There is a lot of math and scenarios on why KILLING YOURSELF is better then killing no one.
One example is that It affects how many protective have to land before the town is bought a miselim.
Like, right now a doctor saving one (1) player = an extra town miselim. If we no kill, then a doctor would have to save two (2) players to = an extra town miselim.
But also, info for looking back.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:30 pm
by Bell
In post 6664, Rad wrote:Fine if no vote isn't an option I'll vote taly. If it is an option, I want anyone who chooses to know it's an option.
You have a choice. Gladiators mechanically just limit which votes are registered toward two players. But no voting is an option.
I'm voting because my opinion is that asserting your power as town to eliminate another player that you do not know is town day one is the more solid play in general than not voting someone out.
How about he stops suggesting I didn't understand what happened when I was there and saw exactly what happened even if he wants to suggest something else happened?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:34 pm
by Dancing Puppets
@Frog, Pooky very clearly can’t be scum because he wouldn’t be this deflated if he were rn, because if Pooky was actually scum, he would be on cloud nine over this gladiate.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:36 pm
by Frogsterking
Bell I fucked up though I was trying not to granade throw in this game.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:37 pm
by Bell
In post 6684, Frogsterking wrote:Bell I fucked up though I was trying not to granade throw in this game.
Scorpion, frog.
Same old story.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:37 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 6683, Dancing Puppets wrote:@Frog, Pooky very clearly can’t be scum because he wouldn’t be this deflated if he were rn, because if Pooky was actually scum, he would be on cloud nine over this gladiate.
It's possible. What about MathBlade?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:38 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 6679, Dancing Puppets wrote:@Luke that’s your opinion, I disagree. Pooky’s right but if we absolutely have to do this, I’m saving Taly but if we don’t, I’m voting no gladiate.
I was sharing facts, and then giving my opinion on those facts:
It is not an opinion that the mafia scum wiki currently says that self voting is
better statistically for the town win rate
then allowing a no elim to happen.
It is also not an opinion on how it affects the power level of a doctor save. Right now 1 buys us a miselim. And after a no elim, it would require two. Meaning that a no elim hampers the power of town PRs. (there is some reverse math on why it would equally hamper a vig)
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It is my opinion that, GIVEN those statistics I think that we should always kill here.
And I think that Rad should know that no killing does more then JUST save taly or ceph. It also, denies town information, and lowers some PRs power.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:39 pm
by Lukewarm
Actually, Nancy.
Why are you focused on the No Elim possibility instead of trying to get Ceph voted out?
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:39 pm
by MalcolmTucker
Looks like I have missed about 40 pages again.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:40 pm
by MalcolmTucker
Anything important happen or still going in circles before we eliminate someone we were probably going to eliminate 2,000 posts ago?
In post 6664, Rad wrote:Fine if no vote isn't an option I'll vote taly. If it is an option, I want anyone who chooses to know it's an option.
You have a choice. Gladiators mechanically just limit which votes are registered toward two players. But no voting is an option.
I'm voting because my opinion is that asserting your power as town to eliminate another player that you do not know is town day one is the more solid play in general than not voting someone out.
Seems logical and I'll consider it tomorrow for sure.
Same with Luke's comments and tbone commented earlier which I'll look at again.
I appreciate the direction. I don't know how this should exactly play out and I appreciate input. I believe the 1v1 changes things but will consider all input. Also there are plenty in the game to just avoid my choice here so if that happens, it is what it is
In post 6664, Rad wrote:Fine if no vote isn't an option I'll vote taly. If it is an option, I want anyone who chooses to know it's an option.
You have a choice. Gladiators mechanically just limit which votes are registered toward two players. But no voting is an option.
I'm voting because my opinion is that asserting your power as town to eliminate another player that you do not know is town day one is the more solid play in general than not voting someone out.
Seems logical and I'll consider it tomorrow for sure.
Same with Luke's comments and tbone commented earlier which I'll look at again.
I appreciate the direction. I don't know how this should exactly play out and I appreciate input. I believe the 1v1 changes things but will consider all input. Also there are plenty in the game to just avoid my choice here so if that happens, it is what it is