There were things that felt really town from Mastin.In post 6720, CarbonFiber wrote:Looking back, there were a few things that felt really town from Mastin on hindsight. You know Mastin better than I do - or anyone else. Why didn't you pick up on any of those things?
It was a fleeting thought because he was pegging too hard on the "if I was scum I wouldn't fakeclaim until tomorrow" point.In post 6724, CarbonFiber wrote:What made you think that Katsuki had the ability to end the game?
No. Consideration that there was a GF in the game.In post 6722, Nachomamma8 wrote:Versus BRO?
But any other game I've seen you, you give people that you know a really long rope when you are town and tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you gave Mastin a chance (which I guess I didn't either), but it doesn't fit with the Nacho meta I'm aware of.In post 6725, Nachomamma8 wrote:There were things that felt really town from Mastin.In post 6720, CarbonFiber wrote:Looking back, there were a few things that felt really town from Mastin on hindsight. You know Mastin better than I do - or anyone else. Why didn't you pick up on any of those things?
There were also things I didn't think could possibly come from Mastin as town, and something like that overrides really town parts unless those really town parts couldn't come from mastin-scum, which wasn't the case.
He was tracked visiting Stalin N2.In post 6728, CarbonFiber wrote:No. Consideration that there was a GF in the game.In post 6722, Nachomamma8 wrote:Versus BRO?
In post 6729, CarbonFiber wrote:But any other game I've seen you, you give people that you know a really long rope when you are town and tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you gave Mastin a chance (which I guess I didn't either), but it doesn't fit with the Nacho meta I'm aware of.In post 6725, Nachomamma8 wrote:There were things that felt really town from Mastin.In post 6720, CarbonFiber wrote:Looking back, there were a few things that felt really town from Mastin on hindsight. You know Mastin better than I do - or anyone else. Why didn't you pick up on any of those things?
There were also things I didn't think could possibly come from Mastin as town, and something like that overrides really town parts unless those really town parts couldn't come from mastin-scum, which wasn't the case.
What are your thoughts on my post saying that the neighborhood first started out as a QT and moved to the private thread and the assumption that scum similarly started out in a QT and moved to a private thread around the same time? If PV was scum, he'd have seen both.In post 6730, Titan wrote:
Never mind. I thought he was accusing me of distracting from the mastin scum lynch, which would have sounded really town in hindsight especially with him trying to nail down my mastin read, but I misread.
I'll just have to keep hoping that qt slip thing was a town tell.
I give people long ropes when I have doubts on them, when I don't know them well enough to pull a hard meta read.In post 6729, CarbonFiber wrote:But any other game I've seen you, you give people that you know a really long rope when you are town and tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you gave Mastin a chance (which I guess I didn't either), but it doesn't fit with the Nacho meta I'm aware of.
But didn't he unvote you and reconsider when you said you cried?
How did you end up misreading town-Mastin that badly? Is there a take-away you got from it? From what I know of your play, you are occasionally fooled by players you know but almost never mislynch them when you are both town which is part of the reason everyone loves you.In post 6735, Nachomamma8 wrote:I give people long ropes when I have doubts on them, when I don't know them well enough to pull a hard meta read.In post 6729, CarbonFiber wrote:But any other game I've seen you, you give people that you know a really long rope when you are town and tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you gave Mastin a chance (which I guess I didn't either), but it doesn't fit with the Nacho meta I'm aware of.
I don't give people long ropes when I'm >90% sure they're scum.
In post 6734, CarbonFiber wrote:What are your thoughts on my post saying that the neighborhood first started out as a QT and moved to the private thread and the assumption that scum similarly started out in a QT and moved to a private thread around the same time? If PV was scum, he'd have seen both.In post 6730, Titan wrote:
Never mind. I thought he was accusing me of distracting from the mastin scum lynch, which would have sounded really town in hindsight especially with him trying to nail down my mastin read, but I misread.
I'll just have to keep hoping that qt slip thing was a town tell.
additional point: mind reader mafia. -shudder-In post 6735, Nachomamma8 wrote:I give people long ropes when I have doubts on them, when I don't know them well enough to pull a hard meta read.In post 6729, CarbonFiber wrote:But any other game I've seen you, you give people that you know a really long rope when you are town and tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you gave Mastin a chance (which I guess I didn't either), but it doesn't fit with the Nacho meta I'm aware of.
I don't give people long ropes when I'm >90% sure they're scum.
He gave me room, but I doubt that would have lasted long. In fact, as long as he's telling the truth he was preparing to call me on my shit when he got hammered. And I don't know why he'd lie since getting outplayed isn't something that makes him want to cry and hold his blankie.In post 6736, CarbonFiber wrote:But didn't he unvote you and reconsider when you said you cried?
I didn't really read Charmed (I skimmed once) so I don't know.
In post 4213, Nachomamma8 wrote:Are you fucking kidding me? I've been having doubts on your slot because your posting hasn't been focused in on achieving a town-oriented goal: it's been a constant onslaught of posting that doesn't stop because you know that you need to keep up constant production to keep the game state the way it is as opposed to constantly working on forming reads, reworking the game, determining alignment. Hilariously enough, I thought that your unshakeable faith in us being town meant that you saw what I see in Bork's play, meaning that you understand how I function as a hydra partner when my partner is having a breakout game as scum (which, for the record, in this case happened when bork was getting pretty fucking bored of mafia in general as shown by siteflake midgame) and you know that if my partner's playing off the fucking chain that I don't completely abandon them and tell everyone I'm going to drink shots for every time that you're called town.In post 4121, MastinSSK wrote:Before I get into the rest of the stuff, let me just point out this. Aside from my lack of paranoia on Nacho and assuring others that Nacho would be townreading me, there is literally nothing.In post 4107, Nachomamma8 wrote:I was going to vote mastin, but I suddenly skimmed the last two pages (although don't plan on reading much of it until later) and happened upon things that pretty much trashed my resolve.
Although: Mastin, is there any other game where you were simply "too mean" to be scum?
NOTHING.
In my posting.
That I can buy.
Even remotely.
A town Nacho not townreading. Those two things (which are arguably the same thing) are literally the only damn thing in my play that could possibly have pinged Nacho on me, at all. Yet this? This says otherwise. That he's either nulling me or deeply concerning (even scumreading) me. Which quite frankly, I don't buy. From BROseidon who (after this game) will have a Fate-reading-RECK card on me, sure, yeah, I can buy that type of misread. From Nacho?
Fuck no, I won't. That he doesn't have the townread is itself a red flag.
But even then. Let's assume. Just for a fraction of a second. That somehow. He thinks this could possibly. Even remotely. Be a scum me. Being willing to take that to a vote? Especially when I'm the lead wagon? Also not a town-Nacho behavior. ESPECIALLY with a lack of interaction before-hand! Nacho showing concern for me as town? Interacts with me. If he is sure I'm scum after that interaction, vote. Never a moment before.
But let's say that he did. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, there.
There's the fact that he says the last two pages of my spewing has given him doubt-on-scumread. Which is bullshit, since the last two pages of me has been quite frankly the most nulled content I've been posting in a long time. The towniest aspects in the posting are things that have existed not only for the entirety of P3 of my iso, not only the entirety of today, but ALSO of my play throughout the game. So the reason for not voting me isn't valid, either.
Lack of correct read. Lack of interaction. Lack of proper reasoning, of the right chain of thought.
That is not a town Nacho. The bit at the end is thrown in as essentially an after-thought. Something like that, asked earlier and throughout the game? Yeah, town-him. Right now? No.
And this shit about "oh, if Nacho misreads me, he's scum" isn't natural and is an old tactic that's already been hashed out before: you understand me well enough and have seen my thought process well enough to understand that I have doubts. You're correct: if I laid in a vote on you when I wasn't engaged, hadn't interacted with you, that would be a scumclaim. I didn't. I expressed concern about you and made engaging with you my #1 priority (even though, let's be honest, I owe the neighborhood a hell of a lot more posting and footwork than I owe you), but you're reacting as harshly as you are right now because you know that a strong solid, scumread from me means that you're dead in the water.
Yeah, he said in the dead thread that he was certain you were scum too and I definitely don't think he lied about it. I was referring more to the fact that even when convinced you were town, he gave you some space. I guess I'd have expected town-him to step back and let Mastin do his thing for a while and work with Mastin. Then if the towniness doesn't show, drive home the lynch. It just didn't match with Nacho's usual patterns and the way he pushes lynches as town. What does his push on you in Too Many Heads, his push on Wisdom in Z-mafia, his push on Syryana in Stacking the Deck, his push on Bulbazak in BB:HoH, and his push on TheFonz/Implosion in Swagtown all have in common? I didn't see that common factor here especially the commonalities amongst the first three games above.In post 6743, Titan wrote:He gave me room, but I doubt that would have lasted long. In fact, as long as he's telling the truth he was preparing to call me on my shit when he got hammered. And I don't know why he'd lie since getting outplayed isn't something that makes him want to cry and hold his blankie.In post 6736, CarbonFiber wrote:But didn't he unvote you and reconsider when you said you cried?
I didn't really read Charmed (I skimmed once) so I don't know.
He told me I was wrong on mollie scum to give her some room but when she was still obvscum a few pages later, he didn't make me have to argue with him.
