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I hate repeating myself...post 621 outlines why Xtoxm is fakeclaiming scum.

Albert wrote:The discrepancy between Xtoxm's behavior and his claim are enough to prove that he is fakeclaiming scum.

Your 621 is simply you griefing over Xtox's normal play style. It doesn't explain why that is somehow a discrepancy between play and role. Especially considering my 630 (at the bottom) and 660 (second quote segment) actually show how his claim and behavior actually go incredibly well together. You're nowhere nearly as convincing as you think you are, sorry.

Nah, you're just too pig-headed to understand this game properly.

GC wrote:"Like the non-madeup evidence you have that makes one of me or Gorrad scum if the other is town and town if the other is scum?" I know what you were trying to say (my evidence for the Gorrad/Korlash dichotomy was made up) but that's not what your sentence actually says.

No... If you're going to argue semantics you need to try looking at the full picture.

You said:

"Would love to hear that non-circumstantial evidence you have against Xtox."

What I said was in responce to that (albert's ninja not withstanding) implying I too would like to hear your evidence because you have yet to show me you have any. This means all evidence you have shown is nothing more then made up crap. Ta da! See how easy it is when you actually piece things together.

GC wrote:So... Yeah. I wasn't twisting your words around. I was playfully pointing out that your sentence structure made your accusation fall flat. Way to miss the point entirely, though, buddy. Actually, the only way my comment would have missed the mark would have been if you were being sarcastic - but your response (that I was "twisting your words") shows that you were being genuine and therefore my criticism stands. Untarnished. Jeeze, touchy.

seeing as how you missed the orriginal point thus causing your point to be the failure I didn't miss anything... And while the subtle use of the term "buddy" might be clever when you are actually int he right, once shown you were in fact in the wrong only makes you look like an ass on top of an idiot. So kudos, .

GC wrote:Vote: Gorrad. Forgot to do that earlier. I honestly think Korlash and Gorrad are equally scummy. The fact that Gorrad already has some votes on him is why I'm voting him.

Man took you long enough. But I bet ya Gorrad won't be lynched barring any unforseen circumstances. You might as well just switch your vote onto me now so I can start owning you early. I'm all for wasted time on useless wagons but, I just figured you'd like to tunnel in on me sooner then later.

GC wrote:Your 621 is simply you griefing over Xtox's normal play style. It doesn't explain why that is somehow a discrepancy between play and role. Especially considering my 630 (at the bottom) and 660 (second quote segment) actually show how his claim and behavior actually go incredibly well together. You're nowhere nearly as convincing as you think you are, sorry.

Actually he kind is. Xtoxm's readiness to be lynched and refusal to claim really doesn't go well with what he claimed. I mean if he isn't lying his claim does have two opprotunities to be confirmed no?

As far as his actions confirming his role goes though, his statement "Scum would benefit from my claim" does make some sense in that he may have feared outing the people he targeted. I myself went over this situation in my head a while ago and came to the conclusion there was no real harm in claiming or scum knowing what I was or who I targeted. Hence my early on "It doesn't matter is scum know who I am" comments which i believe I made shortly after I thought about this... Although it was so long ago I can't be certain anymore. So I think my point with this was that while the tatement itself kinda fit with the role, and the attitude toward claiming does have some grounds, if he had really thought about it like I had he shouldn't have seen any harm in claiming, in fact he should have been ready to claim. Although I suppose I shouldn't base what others should do on myself... But that just makes it moot either way.

Korlash wrote:I myself went over this situation in my head a while ago and came to the conclusion there was no real harm in claiming or scum knowing what I was or who I targeted.

This is correct. Especially since he claims that his ability is 1-shot, only enabling the player for that night.

I'm still waiting for the people Who have had abilities activated to claim what nights they had it activated. And yes, I am fully awaiting the attacks from GC and...well... anyone else for suggesting this. For once I'm actually doing something self destructive for the benefit of the town as a whole... ;_; makes my heart proud...

You know on second thought maybe not... My entire reasonings for this was so that when and if I flipped I could confirm the people I targeted instead of having to have them confirm me but I suppose in reality there is nothing saying scum can't have latent abilities as well as town... Hmmm maybe I should think about things further before posting them.

Anyways either way works for me. I will say I targeted Gorrad one of the nights and if he had been able to tell me which night his latent abilities (if any) had been activated I could have thusly helped confirm him if and when i flipped town thus preventing the double mislynch GC seemed to be setting up. But as I doubt GC has enough support to do the double mislynch either way... doesn't actually matter anymore...

Anyways Im off to work...

Albert wrote:Nah, you're just too pig-headed to understand this game properly.

I'll make sure to take notes.

Korlash wrote:

GC wrote:"Like the non-madeup evidence you have that makes one of me or Gorrad scum if the other is town and town if the other is scum?" I know what you were trying to say (my evidence for the Gorrad/Korlash dichotomy was made up) but that's not what your sentence actually says.

No... If you're going to argue semantics you need to try looking at the full picture.

You said:

"Would love to hear that non-circumstantial evidence you have against Xtox."

What I said was in responce to that (albert's ninja not withstanding) implying I too would like to hear your evidence because you have yet to show me you have any. This means all evidence you have shown is nothing more then made up crap. Ta da! See how easy it is when you actually piece things together.

GC wrote:So... Yeah. I wasn't twisting your words around. I was playfully pointing out that your sentence structure made your accusation fall flat. Way to miss the point entirely, though, buddy. Actually, the only way my comment would have missed the mark would have been if you were being sarcastic - but your response (that I was "twisting your words") shows that you were being genuine and therefore my criticism stands. Untarnished. Jeeze, touchy.

seeing as how you missed the orriginal point thus causing your point to be the failure I didn't miss anything... And while the subtle use of the term "buddy" might be clever when you are actually int he right, once shown you were in fact in the wrong only makes you look like an ass on top of an idiot. So kudos,

buddy

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GC wrote:"Like the non-madeup evidence you have that makes one of me or Gorrad scum if the other is town and town if the other is scum?"

I know what you were trying to say (my evidence for the Gorrad/Korlash dichotomy was made up) but that's not what your sentence actually says.

It's not semantics: your sentence structure was just plain wrong in terms of what you were intending to say. Semantics would be arguing over whether or not you should an ellipse after "No," not a discussion over what you are actually saying. Besides, I said I knew what you meant, but I was messing around with you because you phrased your wording incorrectly. So... no. I didn't miss your point - I actually have already stated what your point was - and you need to word your sentences correctly.

Korlash wrote:You might as well just switch your vote onto me now so I can start owning you early. I'm all for wasted time on useless wagons but, I just figured you'd like to tunnel in on me sooner then later.

I have no idea what this means.

Korlash wrote:Actually he kind is. Xtoxm's readiness to be lynched and refusal to claim really doesn't go well with what he claimed.

Welcome to normal Xtox play.

Korlash wrote:I mean if he isn't lying his claim does have two opprotunities to be confirmed no?

Yup. And I think he should reveal who he has targeted.

Korlash wrote:claim

Is this your normal role or was this ability given to you a single night? And how does Xtox claiming he's a "spirit enabler" make you think that he described your role? It sounds like Xtox activates a latent ability and you check up and see if someone's latent ability has been activated. If anything, you're Xtox's role confirmation.

... I've already claimed to be a spirit enabler as well. You're pushing me as scum and failed to read my claim? what a moron...

GC wrote:Welcome to normal Xtox play.

I've been in like 5-6 games with him. I'm not a Xtoxm newb.

GC wrote:I have no idea what this means.

It means between Gorrad and me I'm the most logical choice to be lynched and so wagoning Gorrad is doomed to failure. Not that I think I have any real chance of being lynched either, it's just dumb play on your part wagoning the wrong guy.

GC wrote:It's not semantics: your sentence structure was just plain wrong in terms of what you were intending to say. Semantics would be arguing over whether or not you should an ellipse after "No," not a discussion over what you are actually saying. Besides, I said I knew what you meant, but I was messing around with you because you phrased your wording incorrectly. So... no. I didn't miss your point - I actually have already stated what your point was - and you need to word your sentences correctly.

My wording was right. Either you did fial to get my point or are just incapable of comprehening it. Either way this line of argument only serves to end with each of us calling the other idiots and wasting a lot of time. If you actually have a point in it say it now, otherwise I'm ending it with "learn to read you moron" and you can end it with "learn grammer you idiot" and then we can get on with trying to lynch each other. Savy?

Korlash wrote:... I've already claimed to be a spirit enabler as well. You're pushing me as scum and failed to read my claim? what a moron...

I read your re-claim/Gorrad targeting incorrectly - thus I was confused as it conflicted with your earlier claim. Must be that pig-headedness just seeping through my ability to read. Hey, if you can mess up sentence structure I guess I can screw up reading comprehension. Tit for tat. Also: How do you know only town has latent abilities? Should we assume this to be the case?

Korlash wrote:It means between Gorrad and me I'm the most logical choice to be lynched and so wagoning Gorrad is doomed to failure. Not that I think I have any real chance of being lynched either, it's just dumb play on your part wagoning the wrong guy.

So... you're trying to convince me that it's more logical to lynch you instead of Gorrad? Uh. Really?


I've noticed you've declined to comment on your steady push to lynch the obvDoc on D2.

GC wrote:I read your re-claim/Gorrad targeting incorrectly - thus I was confused as it conflicted with your earlier claim. Must be that pig-headedness just seeping through my ability to read. Hey, if you can mess up sentence structure I guess I can screw up reading comprehension. Tit for tat. Also: How do you know only town has latent abilities? Should we assume this to be the case?

It's cool, I miss stuff too. It's just missing the guy who you are calling scum's claim is kinda bad on your part. I mean that's a pretty big thing to overlook... And I already mentioned how it isn't proven only town has latent abilities and thus I admitted my orriginal plan of getting my targets to claim first meant nothing. I would not suggest we assume only town has latent abilities, although if I were a betting man I would place my money on it if a gun was at my head.

GC wrote:So... you're trying to convince me that it's more logical to lynch you instead of Gorrad? Uh. Really?

Not logical, policy. I was the one trying to get Gorrad to claim before I did, thus if one of us were scum I'd be the more likely one as you could argue I was "fishing". In addition, if gorrad correctly states the night I targeted him, lynching me has the added bonus of possible confirming that on his part, which while it won't confirm him as town outright, it will definitly be something to think about tomorrow.

In further adition, your case outline on me far outweighed the one on Gorrad... But that could just be my biasness on that one, perhaps they are semingly equal.

In my opinion, out of me and Gorrad, I do seem to be the obvious choice.

GC wrote:I've noticed you've declined to comment on your steady push to lynch the obvDoc on D2.

Sorry, what? Did I miss something? Can't very well comment on something I have no knowledge about now can I? Are you saying you know who the doctor is?

538-541: No point in mentioning the Jester, they almost never appear unless previously alluded to. Also, most games don't end by a Jester win, they continue on.

Korlash in 542 wrote:This is an example of when you should delete the worthless paragraph before posting it. If you have evidence Xtoxm is town you should tell us so we don't mislynch him. If you have to claim, then hey better then a mislynch no?

One town result isn't worth claiming to save from a mislynch with plenty of people left. Do I smell fishing?

Korlash in 546 wrote:The main hollow of the contest was a MG... what do you mean it likely isn't in here? that's complete Bullshit. It's the most obvious choice for any GF or high ranking scum role. It's the main enemy Ichigo and uryu have to take down during their contest. it's the main freaking bad guy of season 1... How can you say you've speculated for a while and done reasearch and have come to the conclusion it's not likely in the set-up?

I disagree. In context of the anime/manga, the only MG that appears is a gillian, which is mindless. There's almost no chance of an MG being a godfather in that sense. Also, being much more powerful than the average hollow, I really doubt it'd be a goon. If anything, I'd have called the MG a serial killer, but we've already got one of those down.

Zee in 551 wrote:All I can say is that my role doesn't dance around the main plot

Same here.

@The Claims from Korlash and Xotxm: I'll buy both of them with no qualms or comments for the moment.

@599: Trying to make out investigations of dead cops ends up as Wifom, and really isn't worth looking at, imo.

@606: I agree on Zee claiming.

@610: Oh god I lol'd.

And even in reading every post after that once or twice, I still feel confused as hell.

Can someone do me a favor and list all the claims/fix the one I have below?
2. Gorrad - claimed latent abilities
3. Korlash - claimed Yuichi spirit enabler
4. Green Crayons - not claimed
5. GLaDOS - not claimed
6. Albert B. Rampage - not claimed
7. Mastin - claimed latent abilities
9. Xtoxm - claimed Don something or other, spirit enabler
11. ZEEnon - Claimed Chad
12. Jebus - claimed no latent abilities

Also, votecount would be really nice.

Jebus wrote:One town result isn't worth claiming to save from a mislynch with plenty of people left. Do I smell fishing?

Yeah, that is technically defined as fishing. If a person is about to be lynched and someone shouts out "I have info he isn't scum" then it is my job and yours as well to find out what that info is. There are two things to consider, 1... The guy just told the scum he had info, so "fishing" for it isn't exactly going to doom us all. And 2... If the info is correct we might prevent a mislynch.

Saying "It's not worth preventing a mislynch with plenty of people left" does not sound like a very town thing to say. I find it very hard to believe any town is willing to allow a mislynch by ignoring evience just because it's not LYLO.

Jebus wrote:I disagree. In context of the anime/manga, the only MG that appears is a gillian, which is mindless. There's almost no chance of an MG being a godfather in that sense. Also, being much more powerful than the average hollow, I really doubt it'd be a goon. If anything, I'd have called the MG a serial killer, but we've already got one of those down.

You might have a point in it being mindless making it less likely to be a GF, although as far as Hollows go it was the most powerful, the biggests, and in fact the main enemy of karakura town. Although I'm fairly certain I remember something in the anime saying all the hollows were in some way 'working for' something bigger, which i suspected was the MG. Thusly, making the MG fit the GF role perfectly.

Jebus wrote:@The Claims from Korlash and Xotxm: I'll buy both of them with no qualms or comments for the moment.

You have no comments at all on the claims?

Jebus wrote:Can someone do me a favor and list all the claims/fix the one I have below?
2. Gorrad - claimed latent abilities
3. Korlash - claimed Yuichi spirit enabler
4. Green Crayons - not claimed
5. GLaDOS - not claimed
6. Albert B. Rampage - not claimed
7. Mastin - claimed latent abilities
9. Xtoxm - claimed Don something or other, spirit enabler
11. ZEEnon - Claimed Chad
12. Jebus - claimed no latent abilities

You mixed up Zee and Glad...

Jebus wrote:7. Mastin - claimed latent abilities

To be more accurate, said there was the possibility I had latent abilities. I hadn't thought about it, and actually doubt I do, but the possibility exists.

My current top suspect would still be Green,
I don't fully believe X's claim, although it makes sense,
I think Korlash almost certainly was telling the truth on his claim,
Glados's claim makes perfect sense to me,
and Zee's about to claim.

Not much else I can think of.

... Processing ...

Largely waiting on ZEEnon.

~

Albert B. Rampage, where exactly has Green Crayons been 'bragging' about Day Two?

Zee wrote:Role Claim Coming Soon
Too tired today .

So you need time to make one up? It takes like 2 minutes to give a full claim, 3 if you're an advent breadcrumber, and 5 if you forgot where your breadcrumbs were.

I really hate when people post stuff like this... I mean regardless of oru alignment it would have been better for you to just not post anything... *sigh*

Korlash wrote:

Zee wrote:Role Claim Coming Soon
Too tired today .

So you need time to make one up? It takes like 2 minutes to give a full claim, 3 if you're an advent breadcrumber, and 5 if you forgot where your breadcrumbs were.

I really hate when people post stuff like this... I mean regardless of oru alignment it would have been better for you to just not post anything... *sigh*

QFT.

Korlash: I didn't say I missed your claim. I said when you claimed a second time I misread what you wrote, which clashed with what you originally claimed. Thus, I was confused. Also, your insistence that you're the better lynch over Gorrad is still very weird.

Mastin wrote:My current top suspect would still be Green

because of X, Y and Z

.

Please fill in the bold.


Did we decide upon a mass claim?

GC wrote:Korlash: I didn't say I missed your claim. I said when you claimed a second time I misread what you wrote, which clashed with what you originally claimed. Thus, I was confused. Also, your insistence that you're the better lynch over Gorrad is still very weird.

Ok I can undertand that, I still think it's true, and can you please respond to:

[quote"Korlash"]Sorry, what? Did I miss something? Can't very well comment on something I have no knowledge about now can I? Are you saying you know who the doctor is?[/quote]

Thank you.

GC wrote:Did we decide upon a mass claim?

To my knowledge no. I still think it's a bad idea.

GLaDOS wrote:Albert B. Rampage, where exactly has Green Crayons been 'bragging' about Day Two?

Here, for example:

Green Crayons wrote:So I'm asking the town to trust the cop (as they should) and me (who was one of the players who strongly pushed for scumbag Seraphim's lynch). Not too much of a stretch here.

So, GC, how about a Glados lynch?

;_; Not Chad...

Korlash wrote:can you please respond to:
[quote"Korlash"]Sorry, what? Did I miss something? Can't very well comment on something I have no knowledge about now can I? Are you saying you know who the doctor is?[/ quote]

Please reread 668, 671 and 674. I was/am waiting for ZEE to make his claim before I responded to you in full (which will be basically a "and so what is your response?" so feel free to ready your reply).

Albert wrote:So, GC, how about a Glados lynch?

Dunno. She gave me town vibes at the end of yesterday for pointing out the doctor loop-hole with Seraphim, but at that point a scum bus wouldn't surprise me in the least because Seraphim was radioactive. Her continual insistence that Albert/me are super suspicious - especially after our long, hard push for the Seraphim lynch - is a bit frustrating, but I don't know if I would qualify it as scummy. It just strikes me as incredibly stubborn that she doesn't want to admit her initial impressions might be incorrect irregardless of the game's shifting landscape and context of our actions. I would have to do a reread of her play, but I always remember her striking me as leaning town, but sort of hovering in an uncomfortable gray area. Her willingness to volunteer that she has a passive ability made me feel better about her, since I have a passive ability as well and she labeled her ability as "passive" and not "latent" as the current jargon was labeling it - and I don't think scum would be incredibly free with such knowledge because it would probably require them to lie (in other words, if DOS is scum then her passive ability wouldn't make sense to get a one NK immunity) which is always a major way for the scum to slip up.

All of that said, I would be infinitely more comfortable with a Korlash/Gorrad lynch and, barring that, Jebus or Mastin (in that order) over a DOS lynch.

GC wrote:Please reread 668, 671 and 674. I was/am waiting for ZEE to make his claim before I responded to you in full (which will be basically a "and so what is your response?" so feel free to ready your reply).

So you are subtley trying to coach Zee on his claim?

ZEEnon wrote:

Role Claim Coming Soon

Too tired today .

Hurry up, it's not that hard to look back at your role PM and write in two or three words what your role is. Unless you've got to make one up