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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:02 am

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StrangerCoug (2) - OhGodMyLife, Panzerjager
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:13 pm

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Why are we not voting OhGodMyLife?
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:59 pm

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If you lied about your action last night, as you claimed to have done, then it makes no sense to me why you would be voting OhGodMyLife over Panzerjager. Because if you are being honest about not having switched sam.samhorn and OhGodMyLife, then it would seem that Panzerjager would be the one more likely to be lying in my opinion from your perspective.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:16 am

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My understanding of the situation:

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Khan: Didn't switch anyone.
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OGML: Targeted sam. Got a blue cooler.
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Pan: Knows that OGML did not target anyone.

Thus
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Khan's lie/reveal points to OGML lying about his night actions (OGML claimed after Khan said he switched OGML/sam). When OGML claimed to steal a blue cooler he was under the assumption it was a self-steal. A blue cooler fits his own role, but a blue cooler doesn't fit sam's role.
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Pan's reveal points to OGML lying about his night action - Pan specifically states that OGML did not target anyone.
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OGML has pulled several "I'm too busy to do say anything worthwhile" in his defense.


I haven't been keeping up a strict reading schedule, nor have I been reading all that critically, so I would like someone to confirm that my understanding of the situation is correct so I can go ahead and vote OGML.
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:18 am

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Lol, OGML is a good actor. Of course he didn't wanna reveal his action, he wanted time to be able to come up with what he stole from himself and to try to pin it on quag..
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:39 am

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Panzer let me clarify: You targeted OGML last night and you got no result back?
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:48 am

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I got a "He didn't target anyone"
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:27 am

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Panzerjager wrote:I got a "He didn't target anyone"
Which makes sense if Kublai did in fact switch myself and sam and is now lying in order to secure a mislynch in lylo.

Two options:
Kublai DID switch sam and myself
I steal blue cooler - makes sense
Pan targets me, gets a did not do anything result - makes sense

Kublai DID NOT switch sam and myself
Neither mine nor Pan's results make sense.

So what happened here? Kublai claimed his busdrive and everything made sense, then he realized that by saying he was lying he could get me or pan lynched based on supposedly faulty night info.

Khan and SC are scum. If I had to take a wild guess, I would say that sam.samhorn is the third mafia member, and he's been distancing from Khan for two days now (but never really putting enough heart into actually trying to get him lynched). Thats all I've got. I'm on vacation, so not having enough time for this game is not a defense, its just a fact.
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:47 am

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OhGodMyLife, your post seems to support Kublai Khan switching you and sam.samhorn. Is it the backtrack by saying he didn't that's setting off alarm bells? I'm still trying to make sense of what's going on.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:12 pm

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Yes. Everything makes sense if Kublai actually did the switch. I think he saw an opportunity to score the crucial mislynch in lylo by claiming he was "gambiting."
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:44 pm

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Unvote: OhGodMyLife


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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:22 pm

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Its pretty clear that too many people were becoming "confirmed" by night actions for scum to be comfortable when Kublai reneged on his claimed night action. I was confirmed as a thief, Panz had proven once again he's a weak tracker and confirmed that sam.samhorn took no action last night.

Why would I lie and say I had taken an action if I hadn't when I knew there was a claimed weak tracker who had not yet given his results? The only reason for scum to fakeclaim an action last night is if they were the one who made the kill, because they need an explanation in case panz was targeting them. Claiming an action without actually doing anything would be phenomenally stupid.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:59 pm

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I think it is equally stupid for you and Panzerjager to both be scum lying about your actions last night, actually. While I still don't like either of you very much, for the time being I feel safer going back to my original
vote: Kublai Khan
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:33 pm

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Eh.. Sorry about that everyone. I read Panzerjager's result wrong and thought I had busted two scum. But as it is, I only uncovered OhGodMyLife. I really feel stupid because as it is, this turns the game into a he said/he said argument. Not the best of results.

Still, I didn't do any switching around. OhGodMyLife is lying about his Thief result and his "confusion" over the blue cooler is a dead give-a-way.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:22 pm

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Kublai Khan wrote:Eh.. Sorry about that everyone. I read Panzerjager's result wrong and thought I had busted two scum. But as it is, I only uncovered OhGodMyLife. I really feel stupid because as it is, this turns the game into a he said/he said argument. Not the best of results.

Still, I didn't do any switching around. OhGodMyLife is lying about his Thief result and his "confusion" over the blue cooler is a dead give-a-way.
Of you, Panzerjager, and OhGodMyLife (and I'm pretty sure one of you three is getting lynched today), you're the most likely scum at this point. If you're going to pull a gambit,
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You clearly didn't, and thus you confused us and said that someone that doesn't make sense as scum in your plans is scum, which semioldguy got you on.

In addition, as I said when I originally voted you, you said I'm scum, but you don't have a very good case on me. All you've got on me is a weak connection to OhGodMyLife. If you're going to try the cheapest way possible to get a lynch, especially in this stage of the game, then die.
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:24 pm

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Khan wrote:Still, I didn't do any switching around. OhGodMyLife is lying about his Thief result and his "confusion" over the blue cooler is a dead give-a-way.
I have never seen either Lilo & Stitch or Over the Hedge. Simple as that.

You fail to explain what possible benefit there is to scum claiming a night action on a night when they did nothing, with a claimed weak tracker who still hasn't given night results hanging around.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:11 am

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OGML wrote:Pan targets me, gets a did not do anything result - makes sense
Pan got a "Did Not Target." But you
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target someone: either sam or yourself. So this doesn't make sense. For you to be telling the truth, both Khan and Pan would need to be lying.
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:08 am

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StrangerCoug wrote:Of you, Panzerjager, and OhGodMyLife (and I'm pretty sure one of you three is getting lynched today), you're the most likely scum at this point. If you're going to pull a gambit,
THINK IT THROUGH BEFORE YOU DO IT.
You clearly didn't, and thus you confused us and said that someone that doesn't make sense as scum in your plans is scum, which semioldguy got you on.
Yeah, I get it, StrangerCoug. I screwed up and I already apologized for it.

As I read the results that got posted after I posted my role & night choice, I got giddy. I read Panzerjager's post wrong, then I saw that OhGodMyLife was lying about his Night Choice. So I waited, re-read everything, then posted as clearly as I could. But somewhere in the excitement it just never clicked that I read Panzer's post wrong. That's on me. If town loses, I'll take full responsibility in the post-game.

So it's a situation where either OhGodMyLife or me are lying. I wish this wasn't the case, but there it is. It's on town to make the call. At 7 players left with no discernable SK, we're pretty likely to be at LYLO. So everyone should re-read the thread, ask plenty of questions, then lynch OhGodMyLife so town can win.
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:38 am

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Green Crayons wrote:
OGML wrote:Pan targets me, gets a did not do anything result - makes sense
Pan got a "Did Not Target." But you
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target someone: either sam or yourself. So this doesn't make sense. For you to be telling the truth, both Khan and Pan would need to be lying.
But with the Bus Drive, I would be targetting Sam.Samhorn.

Bus drive has everyone targetting one person, target the other. and vice versa. So Khan Bus Drives, I target Sam. Khan does NOT Bus Drive I target OMGL. So either Khan is lying and OGML is a good actor or Khan is lying and puzzle pieces start to make sense.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:40 am

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EBWOP:
Unvote: Vote Kublai Khan


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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:20 am

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Panzerjager wrote:EBWOP:
Unvote: Vote Kublai Khan


I have a huge hunch here, but I'm waiting to tomorrow.
This reeks of gambit.

I'm still thinking about this. Panzer: If KK is lying, how would the "pieces fall into place?" If KK is lying it still doesn't make sense to me, since OGML still stole a blue cooler somehow and you still got a do not target.
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:11 pm

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Suddenly sam.samhorn is fighting against evidence for a Kublai Khan lynch. I'm not surprised.
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:28 pm

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Well.. Khan has to be a mafia bus driver. If he's not..then we have OGML as a scummy liar.

But here's my hunch.

Look at the top of the page.

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StrangerCoug (2) - OhGodMyLife, Panzerjager
OhGodMyLife (2) - Kublai Khan, StrangerCoug

Not Voting (3) - semioldguy, Green Crayons, sam.samhorn "

Scum could have quick hammered here, cause I believe we are at LYLO. 3 scum 9 townies so right not is 3 to 4. Scum didn't quick hammer. So that means, one of the not voting crew is scum and the other 2 are voting. So either OGML and Myself are scum or Khan and Coug are scum. The scum can't be on seperate wagons because they'd still have quick hammered, so that rules out any combination between the wagons. Since I'm not scum..than Khan and SC are scum. Probably with Sam.Samhorn.
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:58 pm

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OhGodMyLife wrote:Suddenly sam.samhorn is fighting against evidence for a Kublai Khan lynch. I'm not surprised.
I'm still confused as to exactly what's going on here. I want full clarification before I make my decision.
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:44 pm

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Panzerjager wrote:But with the Bus Drive, I would be targetting Sam.Samhorn.
But Khan said that he didn't do the bus drive, so you would have targeted OGML, not sam.

If Khan is telling the truth:
Khan did nothing. (Null)
OGML targeted sam - result doesn't match target. (Scummy)
Pan knows OGML targeted nobody. (Scummy)
OGML looks like the liar.

If Khan is lying:
Khan switched OGML and sam. (Null)
OMGL targeted OGML - result matches target. (Not scummy)
Pan knows sam targeted nobody. (Not scummy)
Khan looks like the liar.


I agree, it's either Khan or OGML. I was hoping to be able to figure out the liar through deducing the logic puzzle, but that was a no go.

Khan: Why did you lie in the first place, again?
OGML: How do you explain your play this game? It's been... pretty hands off, by and large.
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