Newbie 1101 - Game over!

[Incognito]

Elfen, I wasn't here for that but dk & Sancho thought you might be the doctor.

That's interesting. Elfen was pretty obviously not the Doctor though, lol. I'm surprised they thought that.

[Miss JJ]

Oh, and smart choice NK-ing me last night to ensure that we couldn't enter LyLo if I sucessfully protected someone.

Eh, it didn't really matter at that point who they killed. They could've roleblocked you and killed someone else; I wasn't really sure why the mod didn't end the game immediately after the PI lynch.

True, we could've killed anyone but why not kill Voided, the only confirmed innocent, just in case? The question that dk & Sancho had - which I am also wondering - is, how could cjdrum have gotten a result back from his investigation on Night 1? He was roleblocked by dk so he must've been bluffing. That made them wonder if there was a JK. They thought it was you (Incog). So, on the last night, I was wondering it Voided had lied about being the doctor and was a JK. It wouldn't have changed results, but I was still paranoid that something could go wrong.

[Miss JJ]

Elfen, I wasn't here for that but dk & Sancho thought you might be the doctor.

That's interesting. Elfen was pretty obviously not the Doctor though, lol. I'm surprised they thought that.

Yeah, you make a good point. Obviously they missed her claim on Day 1. I'm not even sure I remember it.

By the way, I did spend hours reading and making notes. I had an idea all ready and I was getting ready to post when PI quit. I was so mad, lol. I really did ask about the votes just for clarification. And then, I started posting my reads that night but it took me forever and I was tired so I went to bed.

In the morning, I saw your post and I had to act a little indignant at you, lol. I figured you might not know that Grimmjow and I had been online together but I wanted to make sure you did so the idea of me as the common denominator was out the window.

It could have backfired, though. If you had kept your vote on me, and had gotten everyone else to vote me (I'm thinking Grimmjow would have been happy to vote me, lol), it would have taken Grimmjow out of the equation the next round when I flipped scum. So, I felt really lucky and relieved when you voted PI.

[Incognito]

Wait, seriously? Either he was bluffing or the mod made a mistake then. That's weird.

Interestingly, I

was

purposely trying to seem PR-ish on Day 2 with all of the confidence about cjdrum (I was trying to seem Cop-ish with a guilty on cj specifically since I was like 99% sure he was scum at that point) but that completely backfired on me when cjdrum himself actually claimed Cop. So I guess it kinda sorta through the scum off after all? Didn't matter at that point though ha.

[Miss JJ]

Oh, also. I was following this game from the end of Day 1 through Day 2 just because I found it interesting. As an impartial observer, I was guessing CJ was Mafia, too, lol.

[Incognito]

@Miss JJ: I think even without Elfen's claim the scum should have been able to figure out he wasn't a Doctor though. After the missed NK, all the scum had to look for was someone with a really good town read on me since that person would have known I was practically confirmed town. Grimmjow, Elfen, and cjdrum were all very leery about me so they probably weren't Doctors and the only one who seemed pretty confident I was town still after Night 1 was Voided, so I think he should have stuck out like a sore thumb as the game's Doctor.

In the morning, I saw your post and I had to act a little indignant at you, lol. I figured you might not know that Grimmjow and I had been online together but I wanted to make sure you did so the idea of me as the common denominator was out the window.

Hmph.

It could have backfired, though. If you had kept your vote on me, and had gotten everyone else to vote me (I'm thinking Grimmjow would have been happy to vote me, lol), it would have taken Grimmjow out of the equation the next round when I flipped scum. So, I felt really lucky and relieved when you voted PI.

Eh, I don't know if Grimmjow would have voted you. With PI around being a perfect distraction, it was like pulling teeth trying to get your slot lynched.

Oh, also. I was following this game from the end of Day 1 through Day 2 just because I found it interesting. As an impartial observer, I was guessing CJ was Mafia, too, lol.

Haha nice. I was following along your game too mostly because I was trying to read Ether, who was a good friend of mine.

[PersonalIdiot04]

Yeah, I would never have guessed that sanchocolates was scum. He made a good disguise. (It also may have been plain luck that two (or more) other people were acting scummy when they were really town.)

[Miss JJ]

@Miss JJ: I think even without Elfen's claim the scum should have been able to figure out he wasn't a Doctor though. After the missed NK, all the scum had to look for was someone with a really good town read on me since that person would have known I was practically confirmed town. Grimmjow, Elfen, and cjdrum were all very leery about me so they probably weren't Doctors and the only one who seemed pretty confident I was town still after Night 1 was Voided, so I think he should have stuck out like a sore thumb as the game's Doctor.

Yeah, I don't think I would have agreed with that read on Elfen, lol. By the time I read it, I knew who the doctor was, though, so I didn't put much thought into that while I was reading.

Eh, I don't know if Grimmjow would have voted you. With PI around being a perfect distraction, it was like pulling teeth trying to get your slot lynched.

True, Grimmjow was being careful. All I know is when you voted and I knew I didn't have to post my half-written crap, I was happy.

Haha nice. I was following along your game too mostly because I was trying to read Ether, who was a good friend of mine.

Cool. I will refrain from commenting more since the game's ongoing, lol.

[Voidedmafia]

Oh, and smart choice NK-ing me last night to ensure that we couldn't enter LyLo if I sucessfully protected someone.

Eh, it didn't really matter at that point who they killed. They could've roleblocked you and killed someone else; I wasn't really sure why the mod didn't end the game immediately after the PI lynch.

True about the RB, but if there's 6 people with 2 scum left, then a sucessful protection of the NK would've left us in Lylo.

Also, I guess I let my anger at PI get in the way of lynching dk/JJ, but I don't think Sancho would've been lynched on Lylo.

Also, I have notes of the game if you want to see them.

[Elfen]

D: it still sucked that i was lynched on day two, but i was thinking incog and dk/sc was scum but not grimmy

[el simo]

Wait, seriously? Either he was bluffing or the mod made a mistake then. That's weird.

No investigation was made night 1. Elfen forgot and bluffed to try and convince the town.

[el simo]

Scum topic and dead topic.

[sanchocolates]

This was an alright game!

You mean Cjdrum, el simo. My thought on how the setup was that there was 6 VT with a JK. This is because, I think, when I tried to kill Incognito it didn't work so I thought Incognito was a Jailkeeper who jailkept me on N1 because he saw me as town from early on in the game. When cjdrum claimed cop, I really didn't believe it because he said he investigated Voided and got a town result but we roleblocked him on N1.

[cjdrum]

As said in the Comments section of this game on my Wiki page - everyone's scumdar

was

broken. Badly.

Really badly.

Like... Heaps broken.

[cjdrum]

EBWOP:
Good game, scum! You did

really

well!

[Incognito]

@Voided: I'd like to see those notes.

As said in the Comments section of this game on my Wiki page - everyone's scumdar

was

broken. Badly.

Well, the weird thing is that when I looked into those past games that you linked to along with the games you've been in on here, I thought both your scum and your town play looked completely different from how you played here. I began thinking that maybe you just play differently as scum on MS, but I guess I should have instead started thinking that you were potentially a PR.

Also, the gambit thing... not a good move. If Voided was scum we would have all been incorrectly calling him confirmed town for the whole game - I don't really get why you wouldn't come forward with that prior to your lynch. I mean in this case we lucked out and it didn't hurt us but yeah.

@el simo: Thanks for modding. I thought you did well.

[cjdrum]

Well, I had assumed that after a Cop claim I

wasn't

going to be lynched. Then I could test reactions and whatever. And explain later. Ah well.

[Voidedmafia]

Day 1 notes:

24: RQS
122: Comes back 98 posts later to answer his RQS and to say he'll go over my wagon
131,3,8: Convo about me mentioning how Oswald is away.
147: Notes how part of cj's case on me was because I didn't answer all of dk's RQS, yet cj never did.
172: Walks through what he saw was the case on me, and thought it was weak
174: Says that Grimm lied about claiming town, or forgot in 12 hours (which is likely for me. I can forget in 2 seconds)
215: Responds to me about each of the points against me.
259: Thinks I'm town now.
IMparts some advice to PI and says that we won't scrutinize your reasonings as much as we will heckle you for them, which I suppose is largely true.
Votes Oswald for his lurking.
324: Disconcerted (and I don't blame him).
Pi's now on his watched list for obvious reasons.
Cj's 109 is very scummy because how he posted it was just bad, especially since the case on me wasn't strong.
Also points out the PI bussing me is illogical becasue A.) Cj unvoted, and B.) PI voted me first.
327: spreadsheet for vote analysis. Thanks, I guess (I wouldn't know how to use it).
331: Can't see the justification for PI's hammer, especially since Incog's talked about it before, and PI's said he read the wiki, so he would HAVE to know about this, right? Right?
339: Same thing I said, only nicer.

23: RVS Sancho
25: Answers RQS
65: Somehow got that I'm going for a quick lynch on someone, which I haven't done at this point.
67: Points to my 26, which wasn't even going for that.
70: Says I was going for an arbitrary QL, which I hate.
123: Finds Incog's vote post for cj supsicious, and SFOS.
142: Following his last post, he continues by saying it's not suspicious, just out of the blue (the post of Incog's that he quoted).
167: Cj, Oswald, dk=Town; Sancho=neutral; incog, grimm=possible scum; me=scum. Also make no sense.
198: REVISION! me=possible scum; Elfen, sancho, dk=likely/leaning town; Everyone else=unsure
211: Still waffles on the info. Come on!
219: Apparantly took my hard post that was trying to get him to post his thoughts as an attack against me.
253,5,8: Him basically complaining about how he's overwhelmed, to me.
289: AGAIN pushes the whole "I'm contradicting myself" crap.
Also says Cj was chainsawing, which is a bit of a "whuh?" reaction, A.) because I don't know who cj was chainsawing, and B.) does he even know what that means?
293: Says he has looked at the wiki beforehand.
298: The chainsaw was becasue Cj was attacking him, and he was attacking me.
301: Still says I'm suspicious though he effectively has nothing.
306: Wonders why Cj attacked him.
308: Assumes all are town (which gives nothing)
318: ...what. a QH on Oswald...WHAT?!
337: *faux-whiny-boy-voice* "Oh, I was just so angry, please forgive me!" NO.

158: Opens up with a case on Oswald which she FoS's for, as well as a FoS on Incog
160: Apparantly believes me to be suspicious as well, without anything to back it up.
168: me=scum; Incog, Grimm=neutral; cj, oswald=possible scum; PI=Likely Town; Sancho, dk=possible scum. makes no sense, these reads.
179: says I bring up things again and again (when I've done no such thing), and something about abling.
190: mixed up QL meaning quote line instead of my meaning of quicklynch.
203: Still finds me suspcious, but doesn't give anything in regards to get a new topic.
234: Wants to look over what cj's done, basically. Not quite sure what else to glean from this.
236: says that, basically, Cj unvoted me when no one else was.
244: MFoS on PI for not a lot of articulation.
262: IMGEOY Grimm for 260
I'm not suspicious anymore
266: Will vote PI or Cj, depending on PI's reasons for his case on me
270: Notes that Cj's unvote of me still said he was sucpicious of me and FoS-ing Sancho for a post that was in no way scummy, which basically means that he was just trying to get attention away from this.
272: Votes Cj
282: Decides to keep her vote where it is.
299: (298) alot of people were attacking me, so the chainsaw doesn't really work.
307: (to 306) cuz you had no reasons. And asks why some of us are town.
336: Pretty pissed at another forum, so she was kinda abstaining. Wants to know if anyone suspects anyone else.

21: RVS Sancho
47: not-sure-if-RVS Grimmjow
92: Goes on about how Grimmjow contradicted himself, but then unvotes after Incog's post about the interchanging. And then votes cjdrum.
103: Goes on about defending me, then votes me for a weak reason.
155: Unvotes for...no reason whatsoever.
279: Votes Cj for...nothing.
234: TOo late, and too bad.

27: RQS
41: Points out that the questions he asked were to get info, which he wouuld certainly need.
Also notes how how those questions would also NOT be fishing.
46: replies to cj, Sancho, and me.
51: replies to me and Sancho
59: Says he states quite clearly that he wasn't trying to get role info, and that he wasn't contradicting himself
72: Also sees it, somehow.
94: Thinks that me simply not answering the question is scummy, and that I'm deflecting (neither of which is true.
97: Claims that he never claimed town or scum, and voted me for his suspicion on me. Also notes the same thing about Oswald I did.
104: Blatant agreement and potential buddying.
150: Goes on even more about me vying for a QL
184: Replies to dk by saying the "claim" was a hypothetical, not definite.
187: Feels like Oswald's sudden vote on me is very suspicious, which I agree with.
260: Notes how Grimm likes to post about his life
325,6,8,9: Pretty much catch-up posts, which I'll have to remember to address tomorrow.

17: RVS Incognito
29-30: RQS and unvote
34: Unvoted simply because.
36: Notes how Grimmjow's questions are fishy, but not scummy. Also says Incog's vote is reasonable.
38-40: Answering Incognito
45: Explains why random votes can be good.
48: Further explanation, saying that RVS can make people slip up from being protective.
49: Questions Oswald's vote in 47, which no one is entirely sure if that's realy or still RVS.
56-57: Asks Grimmjow to explain certain statements, thinking that Grimm's contraictory.
58: Wants contribution, people!
60: Asks Grimm to explain why saying that "I think that attempting to figure out roles is very important" doesn't contradict him saying he wasn't tryin to get role info. Nice catch, Sancho.
108: Requests an unvote, and asks Oswald, cj, and Grimm questions
116: Agrees with Incognito, and votes Cjdrum
141: Asks cj if he wants my lynch.
148: Finds PI's FOS on Incog useless and evidence of lurking and not really reading.
Null on Oswald.
149: Also notes how Grimm's play has changed since his wagon has eased off
175: Wonders if the people PI listed as town are town because PI thinks they are, or because they'd leave him alone because of that.
191: Feels that PI hasn't been doing much, and that his "report" has no evidence (I've even asked for some).
192: Also notes that his vote on me is just agreeing with others.
229: Reminds cj that PI actually STARTED my wagon, so he wouldn't exactly be bussing.
230: Also says that PI hasn't contributed except about me
232: Feels that Cj has simply been misreading things.
235: Gives Elfen two posts of Cj, one with the slip that Incog went on about, the other with the current unvote and FoSes.
312: Extremely annoyed at Oswald's infrequent posts, and L-1's him for that.

20: RVS Incognito
43: Corrects Grimmjow.
77: Thinks the case on me is good, but doesn't like the buddying going on here.
81: FOS me based on the fact I didn't answer the 4th RQS from dk, and because of me saying "From What I've heard" in a post.
83: Asks me to go ahead an answer that question.
109: Unvotes me. Then explains that I'm scum from a bunch of small slips that add up.
140: Says he unvoted because I was at L-1, but says he asked for a claim. I didn't give any because I didn't think I needed to.
Also believes that I've had enough slips to warrant a vote.
ALSO sees Incog as hopping around a lot.
171: Appparantly hadn't answered those questions.
Also was going up against me because the last question was an easy scumslip.
228: Believes me to be scummy based on my posting, which even he admits is bad reasoning.
Turns his attention to PI, specifically his town/scumreads. He says it a case of bussing and un-bussing for newbscum, and then being told off and going for another one. This also means cj's wary of Sancho. MaFoS PI, MiFoS Sancho.
311: Won't claim till someone says they'll hammer.
Just saying, but Incog's herdin' people around here.

19: RVS me cuz of name
28: RQs's despite saying he's not a fan. However, he instantly votes Grimmjow for two questions that he believes are rolefishing.
31: Asks Sancho why he unvoted.
33: Sounds rather annoyed at more RQS
37: Asks Sancho if he knows what "fishing means", and then imparts IC stuff
52: Further IC stuff about rolefishing
53: Asks Oswald to explain his vote.
61: Hopes that Grimmjow is actually interchanging "role" (VT) and "alignment" (townie).
71: Sees what PI means, even if he hadn't noticed. Also says he was keeping an eye on me for no reason given.
89: Says that I had simultaneously defended and attacked Grimmjow in the post cj linked.
Also notes how people have things against me, but aren't voting me (only PI has). lol.
Votes Oswald
111: Says the case on me is cold, aka useless.
Also notes how Oswalkd has been all over the place with his votes and reasonings.
112: Further notes how Oswald missed two questions towards him in his "reading", which doesn't make it sincere.
FOS cj for a slip on asking me if I'm not a PR (which is funny, cuz I am)
119: Votes cjdrum
124: Asks PI why that vote was suspicious, and asks me if I was saying Oswald is lurking.
126, 128-9: Convo with me about my thought about Oswald possibly lurking.
143: IC stuffz about claiming.
144: Notes that the way cj worded his post sounds like a slip and implies he thinks I'm town. Which means he should've just said "claim"
Criticizes cj for wantingg a lynch this early in the game when not everyone has given their views.
Also says he never wanted my lynch, just said he was suspicious.
145: Asks PI why that one post was in any way out of the blue, given what he had said prior.
166: Only comes to say Elfen is town.
180: Pinged by the fact PI finds cj and Oswald town--two people who have pinged scum on him and me (less so for cj for me, but still)
Annoyed at how long it's taken for him to get reads.
Asks cj why he never acknowledged his posts about claiming and Cj's slip.
186: Again says that it's scummy to advocate a lynch this early in a game, and says that, essentially, the scummiest things Grimm and I have done aren't scummy (though for me, it's debatable
194: Tells Elfen that his posts about bandwagoning didn't make sense because of how conflicting they are.
He also notes that Elfen also partially understands why bandwagons are used.
198: Does NOT believe that PI's new reads and excuse cut it for him, and wants PI to explain himself thoroughly. Also still believes my case to be cold.
231: Wants PI to explain himself, but find his reaction to my pressure to be a towntell because he believes what he (not sure if this is referring to me or PI) says.
REALLY doesn't like Cj.
Wants to know what dk's trying to do with my interrogation. Specifically, am I backtracking scum or misinterpreted town?
233: Feels that, in response to 232, cj is seriously trying to put PI and Sancho
240: Missed this. Here he explains his towntell on PI, and asks why PI didn't simply vote for Cj if his post highly aroused his suspicions.
242: Wonders why I though Oswald's unvote of me was scummy (from 241)
247: Outlines choices for Oswald that I do agree with, but don't dispute the fact that Oswald never gave them as his reasons.
263: Wants Elfen to put a vote, and is getting impatient with Grimm
281: Pretty much voices the same opinion as me on Oswald's vote.
284: Expands 281 to mean that anyone who votes without any form of reason is anti-town at best and scummy at worst.
291: Wonders how in the world PI knows about chainsaw defense given his join date.
302: Congratulates PI for the chainsaw usage, though it's incorrect. Doesn't clear him, though.
305: Also points out that Cj was actually for my lynch, so it's really just Cj trying to be oppurtune.
317: Points out to PI that his FoS would've been groundwork for a vote, since everyone was attacking him for having no information.
Finds the last bit of Cj's recent content post bizarre, namely because 1.) he missed Incog's Oswald vote, 2.) Doesn't have any problem with what Oswald just did, and 3.) Didn't even try to focus more on Incog, since what he pointed out would've meant that he'd be more on Incog now.
Sums that up as an obvious discrediting attempt.
321: Quickly puts out his reads: Dk, grimm=neutral, need to post; Elfen, Sancho=towntown; me=likely town; PI=Hates the QH; Cj=scumscum

breadcrumbed post for role Look at the first capped letter of the 1st sentence (D), count off two for the next two sentences, look at the 4th capped letter (O), count off another two, then look at the 6th capped letter (C)

[Voidedmafia]

Day 2 notes:

364: Also eager for PI's reasons for his unjustified hammer.
375: Also votes PI
387: Points out how selfish PI is about his reasons for not replacing out. Also hints at a Pi/me team, which would be stupid because I would've grilled the hell out of him in the QT by now.
400: The PI/Voided team is because of how I've pushed him (PI) to replace out or get recuperated D1 and D2, but he does believe PI's claim, and unvote.
405: Outlines his case based on Cj's 81, 109, 171, 228, 335, and 376. Won't L-1 just yet, in case of a premature hammer like yesterday.
412: Responds to each of PI's reads in turn.
428: Doesn't like Elfen's 424.
444: Doesn't believe the claim either because of how inconsistent it is with his play.

366: Noncommital reason.
370: OMGUS me
386: Something about filming which makes no sense.
388: Claims at...L-2? What?
394: AtE about lynching him.
409: FINALLY gives his reasons for his reads.
me: Scum for rehashed reason. cj=scum. Incog=town. Elfen=scum because he's pressure you, PI? -_- Grimm, Sancho=leaning scum. Dk=Leaning town.
427: Will vote Cj, and thus wants him to claim.
442: L-1's Cj.

343,4: Wonders why there was no NK. Also messed me up on thinking he was Grimmjow -_-
347: votes cj.
358: Agrees with Grimm, but P-edit agrees with me
363: Agrees with Incog, as well.
381: Agrees with Grimm's vote line-up, but also thinks that Incog could be bussing.
410: Asks PI how you get answers without pressure.
415: Also analyzes PI's reads.
419: Somehow wants N1 over thought its been over for at least 2-3 days...
424: Apprantly getting pretty confused at this point.

356: Lets me off the hook, but then jumps on Incog because he was apparantly too quick to hop onto the Oswald wagon.
377: Willing to vote cj, but will DEFINITELY vote Incog if cj flips town.
389,90: Tells PI to start talking, then says that we shouldn't focus on him because of how scummy he is and how much of a mislynch that'd be. Maybe, but dammit he's got to FOCUS.
401: Isn't voting because there's no good case on Cj. Also has cases on his scums, but isn't going to post them just yet.
403: Restates why Incog, PI, and I are scum, and apparantly isn't reposting them because he thought others would look back at them.
429: Says my argument has no basis because he did give his reads.
Suggests that PI ISO people.
As for me, says that all my posts have been null or scummy
449: Hammers. Says what his wall-o-text WAS aiming for, and will write it up if his suspicions are correct.
452: Wall-o-text is about Incog. If cj flips scum, then he's going after Incog. Also thinks he can pick his partner.

368: Can't let PI go now, and votes him.
378: Wonders why PI just voted me, and notes how confident Incog is of cj-scum.
393: In response to Grimm, he says that scum would reveal themselves if they quickly voted, and then town would win because of it, and unvotes PI.
398: Outlines a small case on Cj, noting how he's talked about off-topic things and has twice cut himself off for no reason. Then votes.
402: Asks Grim why he won't give his cases.
440: Doesn't believe the claim, either, and also asked why me and not Incog.
448: Doesn't feel like dk would be the partner because of how willing dk would be to hammer.
453: 452 makes no sense. Incog didn't hammer.
456: Thinks that the claim was just to threaten us into not voting.

376: Says that no amount of town votes means the votee is scum.
Also asks Incog to stop saying he's scum without looking at everyone else.
RE PI: First thinks PI's all right because he's understandably angry, but IMGEOY's him nonetheless. THEN realizes that PI claimed to have read the wiki beforehand
379: Dude, don't leave your posts hanging.
391: Points out how scum would want to go after more towny players.
411: Asks PI where the chainsaw was, then responsts to dk's 405.
413: same as 412 in effect.
435: Claims cop. Then votes Incog.
437: Didn't defend because it'd be useless and he had nothing to say. And didn't breadcrumb
438: Asks for unvotes.

345: Insta-votes cj.
362: First says that his vote was pressure, then says that Grimm's 2nd part was way off because he couldn't have seen PI hammer.
367: Tries to outline the position PI's in, then asks him two questions
372-4: Asks what the hell PI's doing, then asks him his thoughts on cj, then says that while PI may be scum, cj IS scum, both based on his play and based on the wagon pre-Oswald because if Elfen and Sancho are town with Incog, then there's a pretty damn good chance about the wagon.
395: Accepts PI's claim, which I'll concede.
Wonders where Cj got the idea that he (Incog) only focused on him when Incog gave reads on everyone?
Wonders why Grimm isn't voting Cj. Also says that Grimm's logic about "if Cj is town, lynch Incog" is flawed because, yknow, town can be wrong.
396: IC-ness about the NK. Also asks dk to explain the PI/Voided team.
397: wants PI to give 5-10-word blurbs about each of us.
436: Doesn't believe the claim, and asks who he investigated, and why he didn't try to defend himself.
439: Won't unvote, mainly because of what he said when he was at L-1 D1. Incog can't see that as something a cop would say.
Also asks why he investigated me and not Incog.
441: Adressing the last page.
PI's reads are what he expected. However, he doesn't agree with PI's read on sancho because Sancho has been working things out, etc.
Feels like the dk/cj back and forth was distancing, kinda.
Doesn't like Grimm's 401, especially the fact that he didn't initially give his reads.
Dk or Grimm are cj's likely partners because of the back-and-forth (for dk) and for downplaying his actions/agreeing with him (Grimm)
Also advised against a counterclaim
447: Sees Grimm as a partner because of his half-defense, half-agreement, namely with 325-6.
Advises against the C-claim because of how obviously fake it is.
450: To reiterate why dk would be a cj-partner, he has us look at how Cj pretty much completely ignores most votes by everyone else and arguments by Incog, yet a case by dk gets a long, drawn out debate, which is just really odd.
Also says that the pool of people gets narrowed down based on who wasn't bussing with their votes and the way cj voted.
454-5: Wants to see the wall, and asks if grimm thinks Cj was a fakeclaiming VT.
458: Points out that one D1 post again, and how cj was online when Incog posted that, yet just logged off and didn't reply.
Also feels that his response to dk's RQS #4 means he's not a lying VT guy
463,5: Thinks he knows what's going through Grimm's mind, but wants to wait till Grimm posts his case.

[Voidedmafia]

Day 3 notes:

509: Is currently having computer problems, but wants Incog to back up his suspcions on him with more than unsubstantial things.
---: Replaced.
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617: Got a town role PM.
619: Notes how interesting it is for me to note the very strong townread on me, since she started at the last lynch to the end. She'll read the rest thought.
Had questioned why Incog was so sure of his reads.
Wonders why PI just did basic cliffnotes.
620: Claims VT.
626: finished reading, will post in the evening.
642: Restates that her question was for clarity, and also points out how Incog has been wrong in his reads both times.
PI is her top scum, and Incog's been coddling him all game. Despite the no-NK N1 she can't cross Incog off completely.
Wonders why Incog ignores the obvious, and is steering away from a PI vote.
650: What Incog said in 648 is why he wasn't the top suspect.
Both she and Incog were on afterwards, and after I posted.
Given that Grimm or Incog haven't hammer, scum is PI/Grimm, PI/Sancho, or PI/Incog, and since PI's the common one,
657: Scum to town: PI>Grimm>Sancho>Incog
659: Asks how I can cross off Sancho so easily.

470: Thinks Incog and Grimm are the top suspects, and he may not be wrong. Votes Grimm, FOS Incog
471: Realizes it's mylo, and then unvotes Grimm to FOS him as well.
496: Wants to no lynch, which makes no sense.
523: Suspects Incog for that out-of-the-blue comment to "Make this a real wagon". On who, I can't remember, but this part of his suspcions I actually understand and could agree with.
Grimm - Stuff about his work.
STILL going on about me being scum, EVEN THOUGH I'm CONFIRMED TOWN!
527: says a pairing is within dk and Grimm. And Dk is better at hiding.
531: Generally asks why cj was acting scummy when he wasn't scum.
540: Posts about how much better it'd be to no lynch to get scum.
Also says how cj and Oswald were changing his reads.
556: Will look over each question asked of him.
558: Answers the questions towards him. Notably, that my situation is like cj's for some reason, and that he'd lynch Grimmow.
559: Based on 516.
572: Says "both" are partners, but it doesn't make sense.
598: STUPID LITTLE--!
615: Basic P1-2 recap. It's a start.
628: Request to replace out.
634: Calls me a bully. T_T

472: Votes Incog as she said yesterday.
Also is mad that Elfen died, and now doesn't have someone to talk with.
489: Doesn't like the idea of a mass-claim, yet still says he's VT. Mainly because he's still stuck with Incog as scum.
521: My doc claim changes his reads a lot.
Various reasons to suspect Incog.
Honestly didn't believe that Cj was telling the truth about the cop-claim (quite frankly, I didn't either). But he did see the possibility of a townflip.
In regards to PI, he did think he was scummy for the same reasons we/I did, but didn't want his lynch until we heard from him.
528: Posts a part of his monologue.
539: Also realizes what Sancho did about PI's reads
541: Notes that PI claimed VT, but was having a lot of butterflies early in the game. Why would it make him afraid to post?
542: Will go over PI's ISO
551: Part one of his PI ISO.
562: Asks why PI would vote Grimm based on someone else's reads.
573: Asks PI what the hell he means.
578: Asks Incog why Sancho is town.
580: Now can see why Incog thinks Sancho is town.
Hopes that Incog has more than just PoE on dk.
As Incog if he's really certain about PI.
581: Made a chart of PI's suspects, reads, and votes.
584: Just noticed how dk had been on 1:45 hours ago, but hadn't posted.
592: Asks Incog what he feels has been townish moves from PI.
596: Thinks that PI might be deflecting us away from him.
624: Gonna wait till JJ catches up.
630: Tries to convince PI to get back in the game.
660: Dismissed Incog being scum because it would very unlikely for him to guess there was a Doc and that the Doc would protect him N1
PI replacing out marks him more as scum.
Asks JJ for her W/L/D and experience.

491: Doesn't understand mass-claim, and mainly doesn't want to lose the last PR we may have (me). But it'll still probably happen regardless.
512: Claims VT, and could see dk/PI.
534: Sees that PI read cj and oswald as town, but they flipped town as well. And he also was in both of their wagons. Votes PI.
535: Notes Incog's post about no votes, and unvotes.
536: Also notes how PI just voted for no lynch
543: to explain to me, if PI thought they were scum, he wouldn't have voted for them unless he was scum.
547: Further adds the fact that PI is asking for a no lynch for him being scum.
569,71: Vote for PI which he meant to do but wasn't in case of scum jumping on the wagon.
574: thinks PI means it's Grimm and dk.
594: wants to wait for the replacement, and wants Incog's bit on PI's townslips.
595: Still voting PI cuz of nonsense
625: Doesn't see how PI's recent post is worth anything.
646,7: Since Grimm didn't hammer, JJ/Grimm is likely out.

473: Decides I should choose the claim order since I'm the only proven innocent.
Asks Grimm why he voted Incog, and needs to re-read.
478: Agrees with me of Sancho being unlikely to be scum.
Feeling that the team is dk/Grimm or dk/PI, but dk is certainly in both of them.
Hopes that what happened N1 will be cleared up
479: Doesn't think Grimm's monologue is relevant anymore.
484: Explains mass-claiming to Sancho
498: Questions Grimmjow's and Sancho's sense in not massclaiming because there's not much point in NOT doing it, not to mention that keeping the PR alive is useless at this point, and we should be focused on lynching scum.
499: Also says that there's a potential for THREE confirmed: myself, whoever was protected N1, and the JK/Doc. Unfortunately, there's only a potential for 2.
501: Doesn't want me to vote because I'm the only confirmed townie
502: Also feels that we should vote for a common denominator, which he belives dk is and PI isn't.
504: Not really sure about PI being scum or town, but in general agrees with my sentiments about why he's here in Mylo.
Only three possible pairings, with himself and Sancho as town as well: Dk/Grimm, grimm/PI, or PI/dk.
Pairing 2 is unlikely because PI couldn't hold the team up on his own, which leaves
506: Is also confused by the Elfen NK, especially because Elfen was on track to vote for Incog as well as Grimmjow, which could easily lead to a Mylo mislynch. I would've been a better choice.
Also thinks the scum haven't been reading the thread.
510: Elfen was towned based on his premature town claim, which is more from town than scum.
In regards to Grimm's thought process, he thinks that if Grimmjow was town, his play D2 meant that he could've been a JK who jailed Incog.
However, he wouldn't know if he A.) Kept ScumIncog from RB-ing or NK-ing, or B.) Protected Incog-town. Grimm's actions D3 go with this.
However, it's moot since Grimm claimed VT.
511: To dk, he hasn't substantiated because he's waiting for all the claims to be finished and for his re-read.
516: Analysis of dk_peace:
Was mainly absent during Grimm's wagon, but when he appears he devotes a large amount of time to my wagon, but not Grimm's. He then asks why this is the case.
On the D2 PI wagon, dk's 375 (specifically, the line before the vote) sounds like he's coaching PI.
However, Grimmjow's back-to-back on the same page as 375 are weirder. Grimm first labels PI as scum and FoS's him, but then tries to see how he could be town, generally saying PI's lynch is a bad idea.
Feels that PI's L-2 VT claim was a town-based move, but at this point he's not sure.
517: Further notes how dk has been rather methodical throughout the game.
Grimmjow's thing about "first cj, then Incog" is really scummy after cj's flip. Grimm might have also slipped in thinking Cj was "VT", NOT "Cop" (quotes for emphasis).
Also wants PI to give his thoughts on Dk and Grimm, and also explain how he had suspected Incog when he never said so before that post
518: Agrees that I will most likely be the deciding vote, but asks me to be pro-active and not sit on my butt.
530: Asks PI if he really forgot that I was confirmed.
In response to one of Grimm's posts, he asks if he was mentioned he was focusing elsewhere
532: Not sure who 531 is asking. Then replies that he could ask PI why HE'S acting scummy but thinks he's town.
545: Votes dk when I point out how he's in the "Who's here" part, but isn't replying to anything.
546: Explains that a no-lynch would NK me and leave us just as we are, without me.
555: Wants PI to PLAY THE DAMN GAME.
557: Further asks two more questions: Who would you vote for now, and why?
577: Doesn't see what he has to comment on toward Grimm.
Asks Sancho and I if we think Grimm/PI are a team.
Asks the rest if they want him to make a dk case.
579: Never seen anyone claim prematurely like Sancho did.
Scumhunts very well.
Often thinks the same as he (Incog) does.
587: dk is from PoE.
Feels that PI has done some things that seem townish.
589: Unvotes in lieu of dk's replacement
608: Asks if I don't buy his paring.
Says I've been town from D1, and Sancho has been as well (maybe not from D1, but he's been very town as well). He's sad that he can't get any definite scum reads.
PI has been doing things like just plain stating that dk and Grimm are the scum, which make him seem townish despite how frustrating he is.
Says 577 pretty much lays out his entire dk case.
611: Works on townreads first, then looks through the non-townies for scum. And he doesn't give townreads willy-nilly.
618: Wants Incog to claim immediately.
621: Her claim would've meant more if it was spontaneous, but that's not true from 619.
640: Wants me to unvote
641: Asks JJ why PI replacing out would confirm her read.
Demands Sancho and I unvote and votes Miss JJ.
648: Wonders if JJ is considering if he just somehow knew there was a doc that would protect him.
You (JJ) and Grimm could've waited until after Simo's answer to QL PI.
Grimm checked in, but didn't hammer. So...
a.) Grimm/JJ is pretty unlikely.
b.) PTown, then Sancho/JJ
c.) PScum, then PI/JJ bus or PI/Grimm, cuz Sancho ain't scum.
649: Also, he's "coddling" PI because he's playing like newbtown.
652: 650 convinced Incog that JJ is town, and votes PI.

[Grimmjow]

Wow, yeah, great game, guys. Scum really did have me guessing up until the end.

@JJ: I think part of the reason that I "knew" you were scum was your whole "Grimm and I could have voted/hammered PI" deal. It seemed like you were trying to show everyone that we were on the same team, but we were NOT scum. I knew I wasn't scum, so it kinda had to be you.

@Sancho: I really have NO idea why I knew you was scum, since I had NOTHING to pin on you, but it was just a gut feeling. I spend hours combing through your posts to try and find things I thought were scummy, but couldn't find enough that I could say that the balance was tipping. You did a really great job at faking scumhunting. It almost feels as though you slipped into the town role. I would wager that you would have had no problem bussing JJ if it came down to it.

@CJ: HOLY SHIT YOU IDIOT. HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO PLAY A FAKE INVESTIGATION?!?!? Dude, seriously, pretty much everyone was wary of Void the whole game up until you cleared him. Had he turned out scum, you would have sealed our death. Granted, we died anyway, but still, it would have been MUCH sooner.

@Void: I still think you're scummy as hell. Though I'd like to play another game with you sometime. I like your playstyle, for some reason.

@Elfen: I never thought you were scum either. You were a great town partner imho, and I'd be happy to have you on a scum team with me sometime. I think it'd be great. Also, damn your young.

@Incog: Like Void, I thought you were scummy as hell the whole time. You seemed TOO sure of your reads and as soon as it fit the scum agenda, you flipped to someone else, ie:Oswald and PI. Though, when you were "cleared," I was forced to follow your lead.

[Grimmjow]

Also, random side note: PL on Oswald and PI unless they start contributing more. And by contributing I don't mean useless posts, either.

[Incognito]

Damn that seems like a lot of work, Voided haha. How long does it take you to write all of that?
I've never really been a notetaker in Mafia games myself.

@Incog: Like Void, I thought you were scummy as hell the whole time. You seemed TOO sure of your reads and as soon as it fit the scum agenda, you flipped to someone else, ie:Oswald and PI. Though, when you were "cleared," I was forced to follow your lead.

Eh, yeah, I guess I could see how that seems scummy. I think you need to factor in a player's experience level though when you're trying to find someone scummy for these reasons; if you read enough games, I think you'll see tons of experienced players who just seem extremely confident in their reads too even though they're just town.

Ultimately I was right about PI, Elfen, and Voided but sanchocolates just completely threw off my whole mind-frame. I really should've given this:

- If PI is town then the scum team has to be sanchocolates/Miss JJ

...much more consideration than I did. I've just never seen scum claim VT as early as sanchocolates did here, and I guess that was my downfall (though sanchocolates' play outside of the claim was pretty damn good too).

[Voidedmafia]

Also, random side note: PL on Oswald and PI unless they start contributing more. And by contributing I don't mean useless posts, either.

Or at least tempban from the queues if they do this again in their next game.

Oswald, if you have work that's inhibiting your play, you need to SAY SO. Otherwise we have to assume you're flaking from the game and call you out on it. My vote on you was mainly because you weren't trying (unlike mine on PI which also had genuinely scummy actions from him to back it up), and if you had either V/LA'd or given content like we wanted, I would've unvoted you on the spot.

PI, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. There is pretty much only one reason why I (and most others) were hounding you this game, and it was your lack of good, content posts and plethora of nonsensical, downright STUPID ones. If we increase the former and cut back on the latter, I'm fairly sure you wouldn't be hounded this much.

Also re learning curve: That doesn't excuse you from not asking questions, nor from properly scumhunting. -_-

Incog: Meh, not long. You really just have to update as the posts come in, which is what I did. Otherwise you're stuck for a day trying to jot down everything quickly to present to everyone else.

[Incognito]

Does it actually help you though? It seems somewhat similar to PI's thing that he tried to do in that it doesn't really seem to show how you interpret a person's posts (i.e. you find them scummy or townish).