'Marble, I'm currently displeased with the votescape, so one of two things is going to happen:
1) you switch back to VP
2) I switch over to your wagon.
↑Ghostlin wrote:Now that I've like voted him and stuff under sheeping Amrun,
Wait, do you think Lllamarble sheeped me?
Yes, yes I do. It's pretty blantant. Do you want me to requote the exchange again?
Let me rephrase it for you since your reading comprehension has failed you:
Vi said there was another useless poster posting within the last 25 posts. There are one or two other candidates for this, but most likely, it's you.
Llamarble said he's wavering on VP, but thinks you are "face meltingly scum."
Logically, his vote should be on you, and I wanted to see if he would move it there. He did.
Bzzzzzzzzzzt try again. You fail.
Nope, I don't. Frankly, him doing things with you and Vi prompting him is still sheeping. And a reason like 'his ISO' is the same crap he's phoned in most of the game. If you're too blind to see why Llam would agree with Vi, who's fairly obvtown and you, Amrun, for free towncred particlularly since I'm the competing wagon, I can't help you.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:00 pm
by zoraster
Spoiler: Boxcat
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:03 pm
by Amrun
↑Ghostlin wrote:Nope, I don't. Frankly, him doing things with you and Vi prompting him is still sheeping. And a reason like 'his ISO' is the same crap he's phoned in most of the game. If you're too blind to see why Llam would agree with Vi, who's fairly obvtown and you, Amrun, for free towncred particlularly since I'm the competing wagon, I can't help you.
Look, I don't think you'll ever understand. Llamarble had
already expressed a scumread on you several times,
more than I ever have. I can get you saying Llama would want to agree with us, but the fact remains that he expressed suspicion on Ghostlin a long time ago. And in this case, it is not sheeping me at ALL. I wasn't expressing an opinion; I was remarking upon the fact that his votes weren't lining up with his expressed reads.
If you suspect one person the most, there's no reason to vote for suspect #2 in most cases, at least without an explanation. That suspect #1 happened to be you was entirely incidental.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:11 pm
by Cogito Ergo Sum
↑Amrun wrote:If you suspect one person the most, there's no reason to vote for suspect #2 in most cases, at least without an explanation.
↑Amrun wrote:If you suspect one person the most, there's no reason to vote for suspect #2 in most cases, at least without an explanation.
Oh, you. So naive.
There certainly are reasons to do that. I believe I took some flak for something similar yesterday.
But generally speaking, if that's happening openly, I'd like to know why.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:53 pm
by Cogito Ergo Sum
I disagree with that sentiment to the point that I haven't even bothered to think about whom I find more suspicious out of VP and 'marble. There's nothing special about one's #1 suspect.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:59 pm
by Amrun
Well, that's true, I guess, but getting more into semantics than I intended. I rarely classify my suspects as such, now that I think about it, but Llamarble suggested he might be losing his scumread on VP while his read on Ghostlin remained strong - which implies to me a vote move of some sort is in order. It warranted asking.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:51 am
by Vi
My vote doesn't appear to have counted
Also, these vote counts weren't made for quoting.
It would be really cool if Amrun moved her vote to someone who isn't as probable to flip Town.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:59 am
by Quilford
Hi, haven't posted in a while so I'll catch up tomorrow.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:14 am
by Sotty7
UT, is Triple D scum?
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:27 am
by Debonair Danny DiPietro
↑Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:will try to compare to my created peerage group for him (UT, KK, Xvart) when I get a chance to put together a relative ranking within that group.
UT absolutely heads the list as most likely to be scum; Vi says he was flaky and unsure as scum in the one game meta she referenced; well today all he's done is bitch at me for a non-case. KK should be challenging him other than the one town-tell, his pre-lew D1 is junk and there's been nothing going on for him D2 either; he's pretty much coasting on Vi's town-tell of him. Ghostlin probably goes right here, third in line. xvart actually has decent content when he chooses to show up, it's just that he makes my activity level look decent.
↑VP Baltar wrote:Jason - I don't know what your actual position on lewarcher is since you vacillate throughout that post. Is he town or scum?
I don't get why you think Ghostlin is scum either, can I get the sparknotes version of that?
Neither on instinct, I believe him to be 3rd party but not worth the lynch. We can cut a head of scum and weaken them, rather than lynch a role that can end up killing itself in the night.
Jason, why did you think Lew was 3rd party over mafia?
Also can you elaborate on your Ghostlin read? I'm interested.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:25 am
by VP Baltar
↑Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:UT absolutely heads the list as most likely to be scum; Vi says he was flaky and unsure as scum in the one game meta she referenced; well today all he's done is bitch at me for a non-case.
THIS IS WHAT HE DOES AS TOWN. I just finished shaft.ed's Kids in the Hall with him. I got him lynched as town for this very reason. He's really not likely to be scum imo.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:56 am
by Amrun
UT is probably town, yeah.
VOTE: Ghostlin
A lot of people are mentioning Ghostlin and not voting for him so I'd like to see where this goes.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:06 am
by Kublai Khan
↑Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:UT absolutely heads the list as most likely to be scum; Vi says he was flaky and unsure as scum in the one game meta she referenced; well today all he's done is bitch at me for a non-case. KK should be challenging him other than the one town-tell, his pre-lew D1 is junk and there's been nothing going on for him D2 either; he's pretty much coasting on Vi's town-tell of him. Ghostlin probably goes right here, third in line. xvart actually has decent content when he chooses to show up, it's just that he makes my activity level look decent.
I should be challenging Untrod Tripod? Why? I don't really think he's that scummy. I'd prefer to be invested in calling out my top 3 which are you, Ghostlin and xvart.
↑Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:UT absolutely heads the list as most likely to be scum; Vi says he was flaky and unsure as scum in the one game meta she referenced; well today all he's done is bitch at me for a non-case. KK should be challenging him other than the one town-tell, his pre-lew D1 is junk and there's been nothing going on for him D2 either; he's pretty much coasting on Vi's town-tell of him. Ghostlin probably goes right here, third in line. xvart actually has decent content when he chooses to show up, it's just that he makes my activity level look decent.
I should be challenging Untrod Tripod? Why? I don't really think he's that scummy. I'd prefer to be invested in calling out my top 3 which are you, Ghostlin and xvart.
And coasting on a town-tell isn't scummy, BTW.
You misunderstand, but that's because it's written poorly, my apologies. You shouldn't be challenging UT (well I mean you should but that's not the issue), but that you would be 1B on my list to UT's 1A is not for the noted town-tell about you.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:22 am
by VP Baltar
Yo, KK...I was serious about my xvart question to you. Please answer that.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:17 am
by glowball
Mmkay so posting for activity, but I really don't understand this Ghostlin thing so I obviously need to focus and read more.
I don't think so. The fact that he's pushing this case on me is really troubling because it has no bearing in any kind of logic or rational thought, but that doesn't make him scum.
Also how am I "coasting on a towntell from Vi"? I've never said anything in this game about anyone calling me town.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:51 am
by Debonair Danny DiPietro
Apparently my post
is
truly that badly written, dear lord. I'll try and re-write it completely when I get a chance.
↑xvart wrote:I lost my post but I have to say that there is something fishy going on with Jason, LLamarble, and glowball. Whenever I read their love triangle I feel like at least one person, if not tow, are operating on more information than a town member should have at this point.
The whole Jason pushing glowball while voting Llamarble looks to me like he is more convinced that the person he isn't voting is scum which doesn't work with where his vote actually is
. Also, spilling over from my suspicions yesterday:
VOTE: Jason
I also think VPB is town.
See, thats the issue.... I can have more than one scum read I can push, but only have one vote.
But the problem I have is that you you are more focused on engaging the person who your vote isn't parked on. I get the feeling that this is one of those scenarios where you vote town, FoS scum buddy; and in this case you and your buddy can trade blows back and forth and it doesn't mean much because your vote is quietly sitting unengaged somewhere else. If I had to place a bet right now I would say glowball and Jason are scum buddies using Llamarble as a smoke screen to bus each other. Then, if Llamarble flips town Jason can readjust his read accordingly. I am always suspicious when someone is hammering away like you were doing to glowball with a vote parked somewhere else.
↑Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I'm not sure what's so hard to understand, scum have a vested interest in appearing town; while town have the truth of their alignment allowing them to be more unconventional. In my opinion that's the way the site meta WIFOM wheel is turned and hence I have town reads on Amrun and CES despite not thinking much of their play in this game and have unsubstantiated issues with the players I mentioned before.
Actually, although counter intuitive to a degree, I can get behind this thinking from a theoretical standpoint but I'm not sure how it actually works out long term. I've said to a couple mods after being lynched that I should just flip my reads because nine times out of ten anyone I have built a case on and lobbied for lynching has flipped town. I don't think this is an alignment tell either way.
↑Llamarble wrote:Not even sure we should lynch VP today considering I had a massive false positive on him in AMG.
Why are you just now bringing this up? Do you think your false positive in another game warrants everyone unvoting?
↑Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:xvart actually has decent content when he chooses to show up, it's just that he makes my activity level look decent.
Yeah, I do need to apologize for my activity and it will be picking up. I have been having a hard time recently in large games just keeping afloat and unexpected things at work keep popping up and consuming my time making it even harder for me to keep the game straight when I do have time to read.
