Newbie 1,276 (Game over!)

[HerrRudi]

Either way, you didn't have a good NK choice, City.

You could kill:
Nhammen: IC, most experience of the players left, but would push vehemently for your lynch today so everyone would draw that connection
Me: I suspect you at the end of D4, and killing me keeps nhammen in, which is bad for reasons stated above.
Jason: That's pretty much auto lose for you

[CityElectric]

Any NK looked bad on me and good on Jason. Good for him that he was the one killing.

Contrary to other people around here, I don't lie. Thing is, this is the third time I feel like I'm watching the entire game crumbling through my fingers. This time I want it to be different.

[HerrRudi]

So what do you do when you're scum then, City?

[JasonWazza]

The reason it looks bad on you city is that because you are scum, there is a difference.

[CityElectric]

So what do you do when you're scum then, City?

The same as I'm doing now, trying to save the game for my faction. I feel like I'm more likely to give up as scum, though.

The reason it looks bad on you city is that because you are scum, there is a difference.

Shut up, scum.

[HerrRudi]

My whole point was that it looked bad no matter what, Jason. She is right to say that just looking at the game from the outside, you are in a much better position than her if you were scum than if she was scum. I hope that makes sense

[JasonWazza]

Correct but that is because i'm not scum and have played this game as so.

[CityElectric]

I have no idea how Jason's statement relates to Rudi's... Apart from a misrep and, well, I don't know.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

CityElectric (1): JasonWazza
JasonWazza (1): CityElectric
Not voting (1): HerrRudi

With

3

players alive, it takes

2

players to lynch.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2012-11-10 18:12:51).

Opening flavor will be up shortly.

It's up now.

[JasonWazza]

Hi everyone! This is my third game in the forums and ever since my first game here,
I became fond of the Random Questioning Stage. It is a way for people to talk more
about substantial things than voting people randomly. So here goes...

Okay, Nekoko likes that RVS isn't just random and wasteful. It brings out meaningful things.

No, that isn't what she's saying. She says she likes RQS as a way to talk more substantial things, as opposed to RVS. If anything, that isn't "RVS isn't just random and wasteful".

And since I don't go for no-lynches, I will always try to vote the most suspicious player.
Since the day is still young, here is the random vote

VOTE: Paschendale

Right... RVS shouldn't be completely random, and yet here is a random vote. On someone who hasn't even posted yet.

Again, no. She said that she likes RQS better than RVS. That doesn't mean she can't place a random vote.

For some reason Paschendale reminds me of
classical game so that's why I voted you

For a really random reason. Saying one thing and doing another is pretty suspicious. I didn't even base my vote on this originally, but looking back, it looks like laying groundwork for getting away with shoddy logic later on.

Same could be said about you, Pasch. Nice way of misrepresenting Nekoko/JohnnyFarrar (Johnny). You've just earned some scum points.

Hard core defending of meaningless sorts of things that pasch put on nekoko/johnny the scum slot.

Johnny: not always the best arguments, but he asks good questions. Town.

And an end for johnny's slot as town for good questions.

Well, everyone seems to be moving away from him.

I'm pretty sure I was the only person that moved away from him and was the last (besides you since you hadn't come in yet) of the people who claimed to have found anything scummy.
I just looked at what other people are looking at - Jason and Paschendale certainly weren't moving away.
I don't see nhammen's posts as moving away either. (seeing as he hasn't moved his vote)
Wiibox, Johnny & MissMaggot haven't been active enough to have shown any movement either way

How could everyone therefore be moving away from ewo?

I think you might be agreeing with my points a little too much..

Both haven't been posting in a while and I'd need one more vote from someone to lynch ewo. Plus, those votes were old. And, okay, I admit, I was wrong in possibly giving up the ewo lynch. It seems that it still has some potential. I thought it had died. Dunno what I was thinking.

Trying to jump the townie lynch ship, on pretty poor premises.

Post 184, City's intro post, is interesting. I'll go through all of it, because I have stuff to comment on.
The first page is empty. Second, he comes to the aid of Nekoko (Me) even though the points made are no longer relevent (they barely were when they were brought up).

Feels like "stop trying to defend me those points don't matter"

Honestly there is defenses of each other all through the iso, this is just some of the early defenses between the 2 that i have noted, due to there almost petty reasoning's to defend.

Herr i honestly feel confident you will do the right thing by the town go ahead.

[CityElectric]

I'm on my phone right now, do I'm not gonna quote that thing, however, Jason, I had no idea ewo was town. I was really surprised by his flip.

[JasonWazza]

this is about you and johnny being partners, what does ewo have to do with that?

[CityElectric]

It's about the 'trying to hop on the townie-lynch ship' part.

[JasonWazza]

no trying to hop off the townie ship, you tried to bail from the ewo lynch when there were others on it, by saying that it had no momentum (when it clearly still did).

[CityElectric]

Oh, so that's what you meant... (I'm sorry, English isn't my first language, and your syntax was a little vague, so...)

Anyhow, I really need a computer to read and analyse your post on more detail, so I'm afraid you'll have to wait for that. I'll probably have something tonight.

[HerrRudi]

Yeah I'm pretty busy but this game will be over by Tuesday night because I just want it out of my system. I'll definitely wait for city to post something.

Jason look at Venrob's first post of this game on Nekoko (scum slot) and his subsequent reaction to how he talks about his vote. Thoughts?

[CityElectric]

Okay, I've got time now. I do want to say that I don't think looking for Johnny's partner is going to help us much, because of bussing and distancing and stuff.

Hi everyone! This is my third game in the forums and ever since my first game here,
I became fond of the Random Questioning Stage. It is a way for people to talk more
about substantial things than voting people randomly. So here goes...

Okay, Nekoko likes that RVS isn't just random and wasteful. It brings out meaningful things.

No, that isn't what she's saying. She says she likes RQS as a way to talk more substantial things, as opposed to RVS. If anything, that isn't "RVS isn't just random and wasteful".

And since I don't go for no-lynches, I will always try to vote the most suspicious player.
Since the day is still young, here is the random vote

VOTE: Paschendale

Right... RVS shouldn't be completely random, and yet here is a random vote. On someone who hasn't even posted yet.

Again, no. She said that she likes RQS better than RVS. That doesn't mean she can't place a random vote.

For some reason Paschendale reminds me of
classical game so that's why I voted you

For a really random reason. Saying one thing and doing another is pretty suspicious. I didn't even base my vote on this originally, but looking back, it looks like laying groundwork for getting away with shoddy logic later on.

Same could be said about you, Pasch. Nice way of misrepresenting Nekoko/JohnnyFarrar (Johnny). You've just earned some scum points.

Hard core defending of meaningless sorts of things that pasch put on nekoko/johnny the scum slot.

That was more meant to attack Pasch than to defend Johnny.

Johnny: not always the best arguments, but he asks good questions. Town.

And an end for johnny's slot as town for good questions.

And that's bad because? And if you're suddenly going to sheep Dog on this one, get out.

Well, everyone seems to be moving away from him.

I'm pretty sure I was the only person that moved away from him and was the last (besides you since you hadn't come in yet) of the people who claimed to have found anything scummy.
I just looked at what other people are looking at - Jason and Paschendale certainly weren't moving away.
I don't see nhammen's posts as moving away either. (seeing as he hasn't moved his vote)
Wiibox, Johnny & MissMaggot haven't been active enough to have shown any movement either way

How could everyone therefore be moving away from ewo?

I think you might be agreeing with my points a little too much..

Both haven't been posting in a while and I'd need one more vote from someone to lynch ewo. Plus, those votes were old. And, okay, I admit, I was wrong in possibly giving up the ewo lynch. It seems that it still has some potential. I thought it had died. Dunno what I was thinking.

Trying to jump the townie lynch ship, on pretty poor premises.

Not this again... I've already said countless of times that that post was terrible, and I can't remember what I was thinking at that point. Got something new?

Post 184, City's intro post, is interesting. I'll go through all of it, because I have stuff to comment on.
The first page is empty. Second, he comes to the aid of Nekoko (Me) even though the points made are no longer relevent (they barely were when they were brought up).

Feels like "stop trying to defend me those points don't matter"

Could say that to random town as well. Null tell. Also, I don't see where he says that I should stop defending him.

Honestly there is defenses of each other all through the iso, this is just some of the early defenses between the 2 that i have noted, due to there almost petty reasoning's to defend.

If there's more, I want to see it. Now.

Thing is, I still think Post 485 is a scum tell, based on gut and own experience. Trying to discredit the claim which will screw you over as much as possible. Why would town do that?

VOTE COUNT

ewo2 (4): nhammen,

JohnnyFarrar

, CityElectric, Wiibox3
Wiibox3 (5):

JasonWazza

, Paschendale, HerrRudi, ewo2, Cheery Dog

VOTE COUNT

ewo2 (5): Paschendale,

JohnnyFarrar

, Cheery Dog, CityElectric, nhammen
nhammen (2): ewo2,

JasonWazza

Not voting (1): HerrRudi

Also, isn't it strange how a Jason/Johnny team would perfectly fit Johnny's one on-one off strategy?

[JasonWazza]

In regards to deliberately withholding information, what do you make of the last post with 'content' from your predecessor?

I see things that are about to come, and i wait for them. Surely i will soon know where my vote goes.

(my gut is really really good, im waiting for something to make my vote not random)

yeah my predecessor is an odd one to say the least, from that post i would gather that he didn't have a good scum read on anyone "im waiting for something to make my vote not random" for that part of his line though i don't see how he couldn't have gotten scum reads myself.

I replaced into one of his other games and honestly he gave off the same sort of scummy vibe, which also explains this outburst

FUCKING HELL ITS A FUCKING D1 RVS! EITHER I NO VOTE OR I VOTE! WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO IN RVS!

He kinda got grilled for his RVS in another game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=22798

Which he also replaced out of.

He was town in said game.

He seems to misunderstand RVS in my opinion and it's more a newb tell then anything.

Herr this is my stuff for Venrob, i'd already mentioned it

Thing is, I still think Post 485 is a scum tell, based on gut and own experience. Trying to discredit the claim which will screw you over as much as possible. Why would town do that?

No i didn't discredit the claim, i was saying that it is very possible that herr wasn't a protection and that there was a no kill, at the time i didn't see why herr would be a logical kill target.

If there's more, I want to see it. Now.

When did i start having to convince you of yourself being scum?

Not this again... I've already said countless of times that that post was terrible, and I can't remember what I was thinking at that point. Got something new?

What ignore it because it makes you look scum?



Also with the not wanting to find johnny's partner, you then look at why i am his partner, how does that work?

Not to mention one-on one-off is a pathetic scum tell.

[CityElectric]

Thing is, I still think Post 485 is a scum tell, based on gut and own experience. Trying to discredit the claim which will screw you over as much as possible. Why would town do that?

No i didn't discredit the claim, i was saying that it is very possible that herr wasn't a protection and that there was a no kill, at the time i didn't see why herr would be a logical kill target.

By which you were saying that Rudi isn't likely to be confirmed town and you don't seem to buy Pasch's claim.

If there's more, I want to see it. Now.

When did i start having to convince you of yourself being scum?
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Since when can I defend myself on thin air? I take it you haven't got anything.

Not this again... I've already said countless of times that that post was terrible, and I can't remember what I was thinking at that point. Got something new?

What ignore it because it makes you look scum?

Get out. Prove me that you've been reading this thread. I've been over it countless of times.

Also with the not wanting to find johnny's partner, you then look at why i am his partner, how does that work?

Not to mention one-on one-off is a pathetic scum tell.

And that's a misrep. I said that it's probably not going to help us much, not that I don't want you to look for it. I'm fine with you looking for it.

Also, VCA and Johnny's words is something different than our interactions.

[JasonWazza]

Actually no i just re-read Post 485, that was nothing to do with what you have linked it to, it was me questioning his play when we hadn't had all the claims yet, so i'm gonna actually quote it here, you can show me how it's a scum tell.

Night 2 was somewhat more complex.

Only two people were on both lynches, me and Cheery.

So I looked at people I thought Cheery might want to kill. I didn't think they'd target Nhammen again, especially since Cheery had been a bit supportive of him. The other person Cheery had been supportive of was Jason. I'm pretty sure Cheery and Jason is our scumteam.

But the one who stuck out was Rudi. Rudi hasn't been so responsive to Cheery. I put myself in the mentality of who I needed around to keep the town lynches going, and who might be a liability. All of this on the assumption of being Cheery. And Rudi was the liability. Actually, I was the liability, but Rudi was second. Since I couldn't protect myself, Rudi was my target night 2. And he's alive, too.

First the bold part, how does that make Cheery scum?

I am all for Cherry's play being bad after yesterday and him being possible scum, but really, because he was on both lynches he is scum?

Well, I don't want him to, as Cheery is one of my two top suspects right now.

City goes next.

Also wouldn't it be better to get cherry to claim next if that was how you felt?

As for the rest of it, so cherry is supportive of me and nhammen, i'm scum but nhammen isn't?

All of your tells are plain wrong (scum had to be on both lynches and being supportive=scum team)

Scum being on both lynches makes you and cherry scum, so that is wrong assuming you really are the town doc, so that tell is wrong by definition so you shouldn't use it, being supportive=scum team is wrong because of a thing called distancing and busing, tell me what benefit scum has of being supportive to there partner?

This is me questioning his reasons for;

a) how cherry was scum based on a tell that covers himself and cherry as scum.
b) Me questioning why you should go next over his scum read.
c) me criticizing that a tell makes me scum and not someone else that could be covered by the same statement (look even a and c are basically the same).

I even use the following phrase

so that is wrong assuming you really are the town doc

Tell me, how is that discrediting his claim?

[CityElectric]

And by discrediting, I mean making the claim sound implausible. But, okay, here goes.

a) Well, he obviously knew his own role PM, didn't he?
b) Yeah, that was weird, I agree.

Also, Post 496. "I honestly don't think we should totally confirm the doc saves just in case there was a no kill" Why would you want to make the hunt pool bigger as town?

[JasonWazza]

because i'd rather those not in the hunt pool are 100% town.

a) Yes but i am saying it's not a useful tell because we can't see his PM

[CityElectric]

Wouldn't it just be easier as town to assume all of those are town? I can see a use as scum, though, widening the possible lynch pool. Less chance they hit you. Also, yes, there is a bit of gut involved, which I've mentioned before.

a) It's about him choosing who to protect, so, do we care?

I see you haven't got anything else to say Johnny and I are partners? Fine, noted.

[JasonWazza]

So you want scum to be able to hide under the radar on a less then 100% chance they are town

a) I'm not allowed to question that?

I do just not yet.

[CityElectric]

I have no idea what you mean by that sentence.

a) Rather not.

Well, you saying there was more was a lie then. Again, noted.