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[freezing-hell]

Then why aren't you voting me?

I already said I will vote you. Doesn't matter if I do it today or tomorrow or the day after. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts first. Plus, I'm deciding who the last scum is; you being the first scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Then why aren't you voting me?

Because FH is a "gambiting" hypocrite and I don't trust anyone in LYLO, I'll do my own analysis of the gambit later today and see where I stand.

[Zoggoth]

At this point there are probably few enough people left that we can do analysis of each scumteam individually rather than each person. We've got plenty of interactions over the last couple of days to look at, so it shouldn't be too hard to see who's teaming up

[freezing-hell]

My thoughts:

Cowbells = 100% scum because of general posts and vibe. His lack of reasoning in LYLO and putting someone at L-1, allowing possible scum partner to quickhammer.
DDDP = conf town, unless he really likes to torture town and didn't quickhammer for his own amusement. But that would mean he is sick in the head, so he's 100% town.
Dex = not too sure about him. His reaction to my vote read townie to me, though:

What the heck dude? Take your vote off before you lose the game for us. You didn't even give any reasons why you voted me.

Then again, it's easily faked perhaps.
Zoggoth: Also not too sure about him. I thought he was town during day 1, but I honestly don't know now.

Anyway, I feel like RC lynch would be best.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dexter is confirmed scum.

I believe that FH is the other scum and his move was to bus Dexter, but he relented when I followed his vote because he saw a push on me as easier.
Zoggoth is also a possibility but less likely.
I strongly doubt DDDP is scum because I think if he had voted me then FH would have followed, giving Dexter the hammer.

Lynch is between me and Dexter today, so don't worry about any scumteams that don't include us. They aren't happening.
@Dexter, you should be voting me. I am voting you so that would make me confirmed scum from your point of view by the lack of a hammer, if you were town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Then why aren't you voting me?

Because FH is a "gambiting" hypocrite and I don't trust anyone in LYLO, I'll do my own analysis of the gambit later today and see where I stand.

This isn't between me and FH, this is between me and Dexter.

While I do think he's scum, forget his shenanigans and decide between me or dexter.

[dexter9264]

I believe that FH is the other scum and his move was to bus Dexter, but he relented when I followed his vote because he saw a push on me as easier.

Why would scum attempt to bus in Lylo? And especially when I never really had any suspicion on me in the first place?

Also RC you want me and FH and DDDP to vote you. In Lylo. That would be enough for a lynch right there. I find it hard to believe RCtown would advocate for his own lynch directly leading to a loss for town.

RC you are either incompetent, scum, or both.

[dexter9264]

And one more thing RC. How am I confirmed scum? You said I'm confirmed scum because I wasn't quickhammered, yet in the same link you provided us it clearly states that just cause there isn't a quickhammer doesn't mean the the person being voted is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm smart, actually.

I told them that if they believed what they said they would already have voted me. Clearly they don't so I don't need to point out the flaws in their line of reasoning.

You are confirmed scum because you haven't been quickhammered several days after I first voted you. A matter of minutes is fine; this time length is not. Now vote me.

[dexter9264]

I'm smart, actually.

I told them that if they believed what they said they would already have voted me. Clearly they don't so I don't need to point out the flaws in their line of reasoning.

You are confirmed scum because you haven't been quickhammered several days after I first voted you. A matter of minutes is fine; this time length is not. Now vote me.

Cowbells = 100% scum because of general posts and vibe. His lack of reasoning in LYLO and putting someone at L-1, allowing possible scum partner to quickhammer.

No can't do. Today is RadiantCowBells-lynch day.

I already said I will vote you. Doesn't matter if I do it today or tomorrow or the day after. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts first. Plus, I'm deciding who the last scum is; you being the first scum.

This is called FH not believing what he said?

RC, have you ever thought that maybe I haven't been quickhammered because you're scum, and thus scum can't quickhammer with one already on the wagon? I thought your vote on me was a quickhammer attempt. Your partner Zoggoth just didn't show up in time.
You voted me 3 hours after FH put his vote on me. While a quicklynch could have happened then, its quite unlikely. And FH unvoted before Zoggoth even got a chance to vote.


To everyone else. RC is clearly scum. There's 4 possible scumteams with him.

RC/FH - I don't see it. Especially after the gambit, FH seems town to me. But this here is a possibility
RC/DDDP - This is definitely not it, unless DDDP just wants to toy with us. And him being the IC, I really doubt he wouldn't just end it
RC/Zoggoth - This I see as most likely. RC tried to set up for the quicklynch, but FH backed out before Zoggoth could hammer
RC/Dex - I'm town, this is definitely not it.

So we should lynch RC today, and tomorrow we kill either FH or Zoggoth.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, because the chances are FH is your partner and you aren't ready to commit yet.

However, you should still be voting me because if in some fantasy you were town, that would make me scum.
You should probably consider not talking anymore, because all you're doing is giving town information after your flip.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm smart, actually.

I told them that if they believed what they said they would already have voted me. Clearly they don't so I don't need to point out the flaws in their line of reasoning.

You are confirmed scum because you haven't been quickhammered several days after I first voted you. A matter of minutes is fine; this time length is not. Now vote me.

Let's check the accuracy of this statement mentally by working from the opposite position.

Triple D=town
Dexter=town

Which leaves three possible pairings...
RC/zogg, RC/FH, FH/zogg

I'm going to rule out RC/FH as a possible scum pairing given the way the start of the day went, no way they make that series of moves as scum.
If FH/zogg were scum together then FH never would've unvoted dexter after RC placed his vote because then zogg could've easily hammered for the win.
Which leaves RC/zogg, this is certainly credible with the play earlier in the day with RC possibly trying to set up a quick hammer for his partner.

Alright, so the only viable non-Dexter scum team is RC/zogg; let's take a look at the possible Dexter scum teams...

Dexter/RC why place a second vote on your scum partner and then hold it there in LYLO, even if it is viable don't look a gift horse in the mouth
Dexter/FH this is the one voting case that bothers me as an actual possible scum team, it happens early in the day (result of planning at night?) the town isn't likely to quickhammer and if you do get a quick vote then scum unvotes and hard pivots on the town player and if you don't get a quick vote then you either unvote claiming gambit or you wait for two votes to pile up on someone else and hammer them ftw. Worst case is that quick hammer happens on your buddy but even then you look great for being the first to vote them.
Dexter/Zogg this is viable.

So RC/zogg, Dexter/FH, or Dexter/zogg are my options, going to re-read ISOs with that in mind.

[freezing-hell]

Don't forget RC/Dex. They might have decided to bus one or the other.

[RadiantCowbells]

If RC/Dex is an option, then there's a 75% chance that the scumteam includes Dexter and you would still be better off voting me than him in that scenario.

I do also question DDDP for not considering that possibility, because his claim of bad play on my part would make my actions make sense; I tried to bus my partner but then didn't know what to do after, and he made the play of looking town to turn the bus on me so that I get lynched, he kills DDDP tomorrow, then pushes FH to get a lynch on Zoggoth tomorrow.

[freezing-hell]

I do also question DDDP for not considering that possibility, because his claim of bad play on my part would make my actions make sense; I tried to bus my partner but then didn't know what to do after, and he made the play of looking town to turn the bus on me so that I get lynched, he kills DDDP tomorrow, then pushes FH to get a lynch on Zoggoth tomorrow.

You do know that DDDP is confirmed town, right? Unless he is sick and perverse in the head and wants to toy with us, which I don't think he is.
So why would you question him?

[freezing-hell]

@Cowbells, you think Zoggoth is scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

DDDP isn't confirmed town. He's just very likely to be town. It's possible that you were really gambiting when you said you were and DDDP thought it would look like capitalizing if he were to jump on the opportunity to lynch me like a dog on an ass flavoured biscuit. But he's sufficiently likely to be town that I will concede the win to him if he is in fact scum, in exchange for leaving town a leader after I die tonight.

Zoggoth could very well be scum, and with his lurking away of lylo, it seems more and more like a possibility. There's also some interesting things to see in Dexter's iso about the way he avoids associating himself with Zoggoth ever. But I'm not sure about it, given that the iso's between you two are somewhat strained as well, and am concentrating my efforts on just getting the Dexter lynch for now.

I am, frankly, not overly concerned with finding the partner right now. It's generally accepted that DDDP is clear, so he's going to die tonight, and I will have a chance to bring my game into lylo. If it's not him, it's me, since neither you nor Zoggoth are particularly good kills tonight. I am quite comfortable with both possibilities for three way lylo; my goal is just to get there.


As to why I voted Dexter, he had never bothered me before but I read his iso after your vote and it just clicked and I didn't like him at all.
He called people out for stuff but very passively; he pointed out stuff people did but NEVER pushed for a lynch on anyone. Not once. Even now, he refuses to vote for me. I stopped reading and placed my vote down at 169. He also seemed to spend a ton of time asking people pointless philosophy questions instead of playing the game and scumhunting. I also had a definite impression after seeing the vote that this was a bus, and how I thought today would go would be that you would place reasons for your vote, he'd get lynched, you'd kill DDDP, and then I'd speedvote you out of the gate and convince Zoggoth that you were scum. Your reaction, taking off your vote, caught me off guard, but I must admit that it doesn't really reflect upon whether or not you are scum or town, and especially worrisome is the fact that you just happened to hit scum with your supposed "random" vote. I don't like his reactions either, but the way he hard pushed on me and completely ignored you just doesn't sit well to me. In fact, were I DDDP or even you, I would think that me and Dexter are double bussing, but with the information that I am town I am left completely confused as to what he was trying to do; unless it was just the obvious FH is scum and he wanted to push the mislynch, but he pushed that so unbelievably hard that even he must realize that just made you look much scummier. Even more interesting is that he's shut up now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I only brought up the possibility that DDDP isn't town because I find it so strange that he ignored the possibility of a RC/Dexter scumteam because if I didn't know I was town, I would consider it far more likely than RC/Zoggoth. Like I said above. But, also like I said above, I'll let it sit for now. But if DDDP and I are still alive tomorrow, with either you or Zoggoth, I'm not quite sure what I will do.

[freezing-hell]

He's confirmed town, because it was L-1 and he didn't hammer. If he was scum, and hammered, he'd have won.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wrong, because the theory is that DDDP and Dexter are a scumteam, and therefore if he hammered Dexter it wouldn't in fact be an autowin.

It is, however, confirmed that he isn't scum with anyone else, but that information is meaningless to me because I already know that he couldn't be scum with anyone else because Dexter is a confirmed scum.

[freezing-hell]

Good point. Okay. Dexter is the scum.

[dexter9264]

[quote="RC"]As to why I voted Dexter, he had never bothered me before but I read his iso after your vote and it just clicked and I didn't like him at all.
He called people out for stuff but very passively; he pointed out stuff people did but NEVER pushed for a lynch on anyone. Not once. Even now, he refuses to vote for me. I stopped reading and placed my vote down at 169. He also seemed to spend a ton of time asking people pointless philosophy questions instead of playing the game and scumhunting. I also had a definite impression after seeing the vote that this was a bus, and how I thought today would go would be that you would place reasons for your vote, he'd get lynched, you'd kill DDDP, and then I'd speedvote you out of the gate and convince Zoggoth that you were scum. Your reaction, taking off your vote, caught me off guard, but I must admit that it doesn't really reflect upon whether or not you are scum or town, and especially worrisome is the fact that you just happened to hit scum with your supposed "random" vote. I don't like his reactions either, but the way he hard pushed on me and completely ignored you just doesn't sit well to me. In fact, were I DDDP or even you, I would think that me and Dexter are double bussing, but with the information that I am town I am left completely confused as to what he was trying to do; unless it was just the obvious FH is scum and he wanted to push the mislynch, but he pushed that so unbelievably hard that even he must realize that just made you look much scummier. Even more interesting is that he's shut up now.[\quote]

There is sooo much wrong with this. I don't have access to a computer right now, but when I do I'll respond to this

[Zoggoth]

I feel that the possibility of FH being scum has been rather neglected, as DDDP said, by voting a scum partner (or even town) first thing, there is quite a high chance of him being able to use everyone else's actions to make them look scummy and, even if no-one followed him, he could just use the same argument and say it was a test.

As for his possible partner, FH/Dex is possible, a quickhammer could still leave the game winnable, as everyone else on the wagon would look really suspicious (quickhammer is almost never town, and there isn't a cop left to justify it), and all FH would have to do is direct the lynch towards the scummiest player on the wagon, which would be relatively easy.

I still consider FH/RC a possibility as well. Although you could argue that no scum team would make that sort of move, it could be a plan, given that it happened so close to the start, but it also could be RC acting alone, to be honest, I could believe that sort of thing coming from RC.

FH, is your statement that Dexter is scum taking over from RC is conf scum from earlier, or are you saying that RC/Dex is definitely the scum team?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Don't forget RC/Dex. They might have decided to bus one or the other.

If RC/Dex is an option, then there's a 75% chance that the scumteam includes Dexter and you would still be better off voting me than him in that scenario.

I do also question DDDP for not considering that possibility, because his claim of bad play on my part would make my actions make sense; I tried to bus my partner but then didn't know what to do after, and he made the play of looking town to turn the bus on me so that I get lynched, he kills DDDP tomorrow, then pushes FH to get a lynch on Zoggoth tomorrow.

I only brought up the possibility that DDDP isn't town because I find it so strange that he ignored the possibility of a RC/Dexter scumteam because if I didn't know I was town, I would consider it far more likely than RC/Zoggoth. Like I said above. But, also like I said above, I'll let it sit for now. But if DDDP and I are still alive tomorrow, with either you or Zoggoth, I'm not quite sure what I will do.

Umm, it's listed right there in 686 along with the other possible options; and yes I dismiss it as unlikely because it doesn't make very much sense; additionally why would I bother analyzing it when we're almost certain to lynch one of the pair today and if it were true then yay scum lynch and deal with the partner situation tomorrow (the "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" thing).

[freezing-hell]

God fucking damnit, I hate lylo. Makes me fucking paranoia as shit.

Scum is in RC/DEX/Zoggoth. I'm not having it that DDP is scum.
Will have a look at the mist wagon tomorrow when I have time. Maybe one of the scum rolecop checked mist and decided to vote for her on day 2 whereas before he didn't felt like voting for her.