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In post 669, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 668, Tierce wrote:Voided, being obvTown is my shtick and I will fight you for it.

Wait, I'm ObvTown now? I thought I was middiling-null?

I've been calling you Town. Why else do you think I want more participation from you? Apathy kills Town. I'm fine with apathetic scum.

Rufflig: I'm female.

In post 70, Syryana wrote:This setup is so insane, I'm going to treat it as mountainous for the moment.

It is the most insane but you are treating it as the most basic?

In post 71, PimHel wrote:Not liking Serra voting 'with reason'.

Why?

In post 78, Syryana wrote:

In post 77, PimHel wrote:The first sentence was to you and Shos. Everything else was for Syry[something].
My point is that it's way too quick to mention who's part of the 'not-so-talkative' people.

I never mentioned who's part of the "not-so-talkative" people. I in no way stated that not being talkative is indicative of anything. I merely stated that I want "not-so-talkative" people to talk. If people don't talk, they can't be analyzed. Why are you making such a big deal of this?

I share Sry's sentiments, this didn't really seem like a big deal to get caught up on, Pim.

Why were you worried that people would already start to probe the lurkers?
Or did you think that was distracting from something else?

In post 84, BBmolla wrote:Thoughts on mass claim?

I wouldn't be opposed to this actually. In a setup where people are allowed A LOT of freedom for potential fakeclaims, tying them to one is probably a good idea.

BBmolla gets town points in my opinion. His actions leading up to this statement seem genuine.

In post 86, serrapaladin wrote:I don't like Syryana's "treating this as mountainous". Care to elaborate, Syr?

Did you not read? He explains on the same page.

In post 89, serrapaladin wrote:Millers and death millers get VT, cops and similar mightn't be sane, and some roles are false. That's not THAT bastardy. It's not 'insane'.

That's as bastard as they get reaslitically.

In post 93, shos wrote:Also about Massclaim - no, not at all. what difference is it from any other setup in which you offer a massclaim D1??

The fact that it is potentially bastard? That seems like a pretty good reason to coordinate night actions.

In post 109, BBmolla wrote:If we have more than 3 VT claims somebody is lying.

I support massclaim even more then.
I also read BBmolla as more town than ever.

Voided's 121 looks town and like the Voided town that I have played with in the past.

In post 149, Parama wrote:>are you serious
>confirmed scum
as informed minority shos must take things more literally. that line pretty much biases me to read shos as scum from here on out.

Please explain.

In post 151, BBmolla wrote:What really sucks is you're probaly town too

Why do you say that?

His after voting Varsoon looked absolutely horrible.

There's barely any content there.

In post 152, shos wrote:

In post 141, BBmolla wrote:What a bad wagon

Seeing this I instantly thought mollascum since this is a really good wagon despite the lolhammer

In post 148, BBmolla wrote:Yeah I'm vigging Parama

if Parama dies, we should lynch molla
if not, we should lynch parama XD

1) why?
2) counting your chickens before they hatch?

In post 163, shos wrote:???

molla, because I see absolutely no way in which this is an even slightly not-awesome wagon, so if he is town, then you probably know it and are distancing from it.

and if it wasn't obvious, the 'we should lynch parama' part of my post was joking >__> you know, damned if do damned if don't...it's funny.... >___>

I don't remember you playing this frantic in First Time Mafia but then again I thought you were town and didn't put that much effort into reading you there.

In post 175, serrapaladin wrote:

Why was this post not pushed more?

In post 198, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: Shos

Should assume two scum teams imo

And yet you are okay with voting Parama's suspect?

In post 206, serrapaladin wrote:!vote Parama

What was with the certainty Varsoon would flip town? Really don't like the fact that you're trying to paint your vote as positive in any way, shape or form. You should have read the game regardless of whether there'd been a hammer or not.

I like this post from Serrapaladin although I wish he would have explained his eye roll post and what prompted it.

In post 211, shos wrote:Lol so this page is just me being voted unreasoned? :0

Anyway. Ive seeen parama do stuff like tgat all the time; i always see him as scum and err.
two kills, im assuming no vig cuz theyd shoit parama...so two scumteams or sk.

You see him do this all the time as scum and yet you don't vote him.

In post 231, Syryana wrote:

!vote The Rufflig

Cause OMGUS.

Are you going to treat the game as not mountainous because we have flips...

In post 233, serrapaladin wrote:BB is not a bad player, there's no way he's transparent enough for you to make that statement.

You've never played with BB have you?
This post looks like you are attacking Parama for doing something that you find questionable, but you unvote him?

In post 244, serrapaladin wrote:I would, but people here are insisting that's par for the course...

What exactly are you doing in the mean time?
OH wait.

Nothing.

In post 249, Syryana wrote:

In post 247, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 243, Syryana wrote:Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

Why is his insistence on this bad? Do you find Shos town?

Why do you think he's insisting it?

It feels like a bus. And no.

His reasoning on Molla being a jester is horrifying.

I kinda agree with that because it looks like he is just writing off BBmolla

In post 271, Syryana wrote:His last couple posts gave me an off vibe. In the first he asks why I'm scummy for suspecting Parama when he suspects Parama for similar reasons. In the second he says "fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though." Maybe defense isn't the right word, but the serra I know wouldn't be letting me slide just because I'm new or because I am thinking the same way he is.

Have you played with Serra before? Do you have extensive knowledge of him?

290 was a whole lot of nothing just like Parama's reread post imo

In post 297, BBmolla wrote:We were just scumbuddies in this game if you wanna check it out

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26594

Hmm... I am putting more stalk into BB's ability to read Parama
But looking at BB's scum play, it looks a lot like his town play which makes me feel scared about my read in him

In that game he also advocated a policy lynch on another player...

BB, is it apart of your universal meta to advocate a policy lynch on another player?

In post 315, Parama wrote:What this proves is that anyone and everyone calling me scum clearly doesn't believe it. If you cared, you'd have the mod prod me, to force a response, or even notice my absence. But nope. Pushing cases on me "while I'm afk" and not even being the slightest bit interested in hearing what I have to say. I know there's not many people saying it but this one gambit is likely to provide a roadmap to wiinning this game in an easy handsweep.

This looks town and is the first thing where I can actualy follow Parama's thought process
I also agree with it. Parama's wagon happened way too fast in the same way that Varsoon's wagon happened without much resistance

Oh my god I don't want to read this game it is increasingly frustrating. I thought it would be a lot of fun but so far it is just a lot of belligerent arguing and ordinary -.-"

In post 353, The Rufflig wrote:As there may be two separate scum teams, I do not understand the push to try and make Shos tie all his suspects together as one scum team. As Shos himself did not try and tie Syryana and Parama together, why make a big deal about these two scum suspects not fitting together?

Why do you keep insisting that there are two scum teams?

In post 391, The Rufflig wrote:And you had to wait for a prod to tell us? Wait, you knew coming into this game that you wouldn't have time to play it, but signed up anyway? Here is your entire contribution to the game thus far:

Why were you only going after wind-up for this

In post 414, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 411, shos wrote:So im an inventor, i give people powers. I gave one to voided last night whicj is wierd why.he didnt understand me;. I also crumbed on post 1 that o make uo stuff

Oh, that was you? I did wonder why I suddenly got an ability last night, but I wasn't about to accept your hints like that (I will admit to not quite getting it the first read, though )

Shos is town if the claim is true, lynch UT or Parama.

hmm..
My guess was maybe a messenger or friendly neighbor type role
Can Inventors in this setup be scum?

Actually, are alignments independent from roles?

In post 424, shos wrote:Why would a scum inventor tarfet townies, lol. Id target myself or my partners.

Anyway i still sont recall any case against me and would like to know why i was voted.

Umm
I actually have a really good response to this but I want you think about it more

Hint: Scum inventor targetting townies has been done before

In post 429, Parama wrote:hint: one of the roles I asked for help on would totally have motivation to give junk to a townie

Actually both of them would, as either alignment really imo

In post 470, Tierce wrote:TheRufflig is Town (never never lynch this slot), Voided is probably Town as well

I don't get that Ruffig is in the "definitely town spot" but Voided isn't.
You played in the Blackflag game with me.. You know Voided's play

What made you think that Ruffing is super town like that anyway?

In post 470, Tierce wrote:Post 149 was the kind of :effort: crap Parama pulls as scum

How many times have you played with Parama?
How many times have you played with Parama scum?

In post 477, Syryana wrote:First off:

!unvote Untrod Tripod

I will be publishing a series of posts, the first of which will be about BBMolla/Parama.

Why did it take you such a long time to become active in this game?

In post 478, Syryana wrote:I cut out all the nonsense about shos and UT. However, even after I cut those parts out, I found that well over half that huge "catchup post" was dedicated purely to BBMolla. Why is Parama spending so much time on Molla? About halfway through the post Parama "realizes" that Molla is the jester. Even after realizing that, Parama continues to analyze Molla's posts, even going so far as to call Molla a "jester pretending to be a mafia pretending to be a jester". My, Parama is spending a hell of a lot of time pointing out that Molla is a jester, isn't he? Too much time. He could have accomplished that by saying "k, Molla's jester". Instead, we have 3/4 of a huge massive wall dedicated to showing Molla is a jester. That's when I realized: Molla is in fact not a jester, he's scum with Parama.

Actually that is a good point about Parama

Why do you think BBmolla is a jester/town and not scum?

In post 490, Tierce wrote:

In post 485, Parama wrote:Zzz
Tierce you can be wrong too

It's okay to be afraid. <3

Hmm never mind about my question earlier with Parama
I think Tierce is town for her pointing out that inconsistency with Syr's post and this taunting

In post 494, The Rufflig wrote:Damn it, Tierce. I've been trying to tone down my towniness so I could make it further into the games more often. Looks like I'm still a fairly easy alignment read, though. Oh well.

I expect this type of behavior from BBmolla and is ilk, but this from you is just freaking weird

In post 512, serrapaladin wrote:So this guy is third party? I doubt he's scum, but third party sounds about right.

The Para selfvote just screams gambit....

Why is he third party and not scum?
Where are all these specific alignment call outs coming from in this game anyway

In post 513, Tierce wrote:I'm fairly sure I'm cool enough to get you lynched without a full-blown case, Parama,

This looks pretty town and like the Tierce I've seen
Arrogance fueled by a joking manner

Pim's insistence that he wants more from Tierce given her case and the wagon on Parama looks town
It shows that he isn't going to go around willy nilly.
I like his push on Serra too. He isn't letting it drop either but he isn't exactly trying very hard other than repeating his own comments to get his suspicions lynched

OK. I'm done rereading for now.


Town reads:
Voided
Tierce
BBmolla
Pim

Scum:
Serra
Syr
Ruffig

I'm not really sure what to make of Parama. I thought his reaction to my hammer gambit was fairly town. and I am waiting on Shos's response to my question in my wall ^ before I pass judgment on him and his claim

^ I'm not reading that.

In post 677, Tierce wrote:^ I'm not reading that.

It's ok. I don't really expect people to read the whole thing just crtl + F their names.

Yeah OS is town

In post 678, Oversoul wrote:

In post 677, Tierce wrote:^ I'm not reading that.

It's ok. I don't really expect people to read the whole thing just crtl + F their names.

Bugger that. I am not replying to stuff that is clearly not remotely organized and I have better things to do with my time. If you have questions for me make them readable, I'm not going to look them up.

Hmm...

Noting that.

Ruffling's 674 is a fair point.

In post 675, Tierce wrote:I've been calling you Town.

Town is not ObvTown. When did I become ObvTown?

In post 676, Oversoul wrote:Voided's 121 looks town and like the Voided town that I have played with in the past.

Because it's a catch-up wall?

In post 682, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 675, Tierce wrote:I've been calling you Town.

Town is not ObvTown. When did I become ObvTown?

It's also not "middling-null". It was the analysis in Post 666 while not voting Parama or Syryana.

In post 682, Voidedmafia wrote:Because it's a catch-up wall?

Because of the comments in the wall really.
I've learned my mistake from Dirty Dealing ;_;

In post 683, Tierce wrote:It's also not "middling-null". It was the analysis in Post 666 while not voting Parama or Syryana

Okay, so I guess I can accept getting more of a townread for the analysis, but what does the lack of a vote on Param or Syr have to do with it?

In post 684, Oversoul wrote:I've learned my mistake from Dirty Dealing ;_;

What'd I do in Dirty Dealing, again?

I mean, the only thing I remember from DD is that I did something to piss you and Mehdi off and somehow lived through D2.

In post 685, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 683, Tierce wrote:It's also not "middling-null". It was the analysis in Post 666 while not voting Parama or Syryana

Okay, so I guess I can accept getting more of a townread for the analysis, but what does the lack of a vote on Param or Syr have to do with it?

Because scum being/playing at apathy wouldn't have had any trouble just tacking on a vote there. The fact that you didn't shows you are still thinking things through.

And while we are talking about Voided, the whinging I keep hearing about that UT/Oversoul vote is ridiculous. It's a parked vote on a wagon he has no particular interest on--why are there complaints about this but there were no mentions of serrapaladin's lack of vote before he voted Parama, Pim?

In post 686, Voidedmafia wrote:I mean, the only thing I remember from DD is that I did something to piss you and Mehdi off and somehow lived through D2.

Your comments on things here match the type of comments you made in DD.
I kinda ... wanted to kill you for those comments in that game.

Anyway, because of that I think you are town here. You questioning me on that front only really solidifies my thinking

In post 688, Oversoul wrote:Your comments on things here match the type of comments you made in DD.
I kinda ... wanted to kill you for those comments in that game.

Oftentimes being unable to actually talk about those things as they happen because of work may do that.

Tierce: ...Wouldn't apathetic scum NOT lay down a vote? I mean, I guess I kinda get what you mean by "thinking things over," but...

In post 689, Voidedmafia wrote:Tierce: ...Wouldn't apathetic scum NOT lay down a vote? I mean, I guess I kinda get what you mean by "thinking things over," but...

You're voteparking UT and standing up to PimHel's remarks on it. I can't quite see how Voidedscum wouldn't want to vote someone else when he has enough 'reason' to.

In post 690, Tierce wrote:You're voteparking UT and standing up to PimHel's remarks on it. I can't quite see how Voidedscum wouldn't want to vote someone else when he has enough 'reason' to.

Well, I have enough of a townread on Syr that even if I took those adjusted reasons for my own it wouldn't be enough to overtake my Parama scumread. (Also, I've been majorly confused as to the VC half the time ...)

In post 691, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 690, Tierce wrote:You're voteparking UT and standing up to PimHel's remarks on it. I can't quite see how Voidedscum wouldn't want to vote someone else when he has enough 'reason' to.

Well, I have enough of a townread on Syr that even if I took those adjusted reasons for my own it wouldn't be enough to overtake my Parama scumread. (Also, I've been majorly confused as to the VC half the time ...)

!xMafia Votecount

But you could have voted Parama there without difficulty, in a bus or not.


Do you tend to play devil's advocate about yourself as scum? I could check, but I'm lazy and about to go out.

In post 691, Voidedmafia wrote:!xMafia Votecount

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (6 to lynch) |||

||| MAFIABOT || Oversoul - 3 (PimHel Voidedmafia BBmolla) |||
||| MAFIABOT || Parama - 5 (Tierce Syryana The_Rufflig shos serrapaladin) |||
||| MAFIABOT || Syryana - 2 (Parama Oversoul) |||

||| MAFIABOT || Living players: BBmolla Tierce Parama PimHel serrapaladin shos Syryana The_Rufflig Oversoul Voidedmafia |||

||| MAFIABOT || Deadline - 1 (The_Rufflig) |||

why are there votes on oversoul atm
wasted as all hell

You want me to hammer you, then?

preferably a syr lynch would happen actually
explain to me why oversoul is currently the best place for your vote, at the very least

WHy can't I have it there? I already told you I'd be hammering you otherwise.

So you find Oversoul scummiest out of everyone alive?

...no. It's only there because I don't feel like hammering you yet.