Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

Rob14 · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:40 pm

On EM, do people who CC and then retract typically get held as town or scum, rmp?

Also, fuzzy, faster games tend to be lower quality games, at least when measuring quality in the way I like to. Just look at our Marathon games. They're fun, sure, but they're not nearly as enjoyable as regular Mafia, in my experience.

Rob14 · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:42 pm

In post 674, rmpeacoc wrote:I thought about it a lot before I claimed and it is TYPICALLY how we play this setup over on EM.

What's the advantages to claiming now when under no pressure over claiming later if necessary and keeping your ability to kill in the meantime? I just don't see any advantage, and I think it was a mistake.

No use dwelling on the past, though.

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:49 pm

Typically, the vig is considered a hindrance to the town, iirc. Don't shoot anyone tonight. The perks of claiming early- scum likely won't NK them. Just don't shoot anyone tonight, rmp.

Rob14 · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:14 pm

So if vig is a hindrance to town (which I don't agree with, but I'll let it go for now), then why would you want scum to NOT nk them, especially with so many other PRs. If you accept that argument (that vig is a hindrance to town), they shouldn't claim with the hopes that scum will shoot them and not one of the other 2 town PRs that definitely help town no matter what.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:28 pm

because leaving him alive gives us a clear, you just hope the vig has restraint. Personally I always shoot as vig, so if I was vig I would shoot no matter what, even if it is advisable not to. I got flack for it on EM also.

BBmolla · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:28 pm

In post 675, Rob14 wrote:Also, fuzzy, faster games tend to be lower quality games, at least when measuring quality in the way I like to. Just look at our Marathon games. They're fun, sure, but they're not nearly as enjoyable as regular Mafia, in my experience.

Disagree. Face to face is the most enjoyable Mafia experience in my opinion and they only last 20-30 minutes generally.

The Jake CC stuff is a joke and irrelevent. Maybe more townish than anything.

BBmolla · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:29 pm

JacobSavage can you bus Piratecat

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:38 pm

I always shoot N2 when I'm vig.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:43 pm

oh yeah, I knew I forgot to do something

vote: piratecat

since she isn't the vig and that was my main reason for not voting her.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:14 pm

In post 663, Rob14 wrote:Yo Jake, I want your opinion on Pirate's #653. Detailed please.

wait, I already responded to pirate's 653, not sure what more you want from me.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:39 pm

In post 653, Piratecat wrote:I'm going to say this, but people who take a hard stance on going after lurkers is a red flag to me because scum use it as an easy hiding spot.

sounds awfully familiar to

In post 206, Malakittens wrote:Voting a lurker isn't going to get information. Voting lurkers is a great place for scum to hide and also a safe vote.

from this game

where

Malakittens, Mafia Cop Switch
, survived and won!

BUT

in this game

you say

I have always been high in the boat for lynch all lurkers/liars. Those are the two highest places that scum hide in.

and in that game

Malakittens -
Vanilla Townie
- Killed Night 2

so yeah, we are lynching pirate today

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:41 pm

Interesting.

Pirate?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:44 pm

and before she tries to say I misinterpreted what she said in the 2nd game, right before that comment she said

I'm willing to bet we have lurker scum this game rather than active-scum.

Piratecat · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:21 pm

Welllllllllll.

The micro game you linked is pretty outdated.

My whole stance on lukers changed after this game. I went hardcore after scum who kept placing his vote and actively going after the lurker. I did not however go after him for going after the lurker, but for other reasons.

^ This is the reason why I see going after lurkers a safe and easy place.

(I'm very aware you pretend to believe you see a scum slip, but I can promise you.. it won't be a slip at all)

_____

I can't believe you unvoted because you thought we were the vig. If you were scum and didn't out the vig you would have tried to kill me during the night.

Piratecat · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:23 pm

Jake.. You also never voted us before.. I caught scum off of 'forgetting' where their vote was in a recent game. You are still displaying that.

Rob14 · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:32 pm

The fact that Jake went make to Pirate's 253 as I requested and did NOT call out the "Why me" comment in that post is questionable. Why did it stick out so much when I did it but you didn't pick up on it from Pirate? The most likely reason, in my opinion, is that you were searching for potential reasons that I was scum AFTER you developed your "read" on me (i.e. scum trying to think up reasons to validate a read that they're being forced to explain). If you actually held "Why me = fry me" to be a valid scum tell, you would read for it and would have picked it up in Pirate's post.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:47 pm

In post 688, Piratecat wrote:Welllllllllll.

The micro game you linked is pretty outdated.

My whole stance on lukers changed after this game. I went hardcore after scum who kept placing his vote and actively going after the lurker. I did not however go after him for going after the lurker, but for other reasons.

^ This is the reason why I see going after lurkers a safe and easy place.

(I'm very aware you pretend to believe you see a scum slip, but I can promise you.. it won't be a slip at all)

_____

I can't believe you unvoted because you thought we were the vig. If you were scum and didn't out the vig you would have tried to kill me during the night.

unfortunately I don't see any more recent games that mention lurker so that's all I had available to me. And I never unvoted you, because I never voted you until this most recent vote.

In post 689, Piratecat wrote:Jake.. You also never voted us before.. I caught scum off of 'forgetting' where their vote was in a recent game. You are still displaying that.

I didn't forget where my vote was, I knew absolutely where it was. I just remembered that now that I know you were not actually hinting at being the vig, I had no reason to not vote you. The only reason I voted Rob over you was because I definitely thought you were the vig.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:51 pm

In post 690, Rob14 wrote:The fact that Jake went make to Pirate's 253 as I requested and did NOT call out the "Why me" comment in that post is questionable. Why did it stick out so much when I did it but you didn't pick up on it from Pirate? The most likely reason, in my opinion, is that you were searching for potential reasons that I was scum AFTER you developed your "read" on me (i.e. scum trying to think up reasons to validate a read that they're being forced to explain). If you actually held "Why me = fry me" to be a valid scum tell, you would read for it and would have picked it up in Pirate's post.

I already thought she was scum, the only reason I had not voted her previously was due to thinking she was the vig. Now that I know she isn't, I don't really need to point out every tiny reason.

Piratecat · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:07 pm

hey jake remember the time you retardedly tunneled on me in the other em game

this could be like that if you are town

you didn't go after us like I thought you would and your play is most definitely different which is why you will stay in the unsure pile for now.

why did you think we were the vig?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:14 pm

until you ladies sign your posts, I have no clue who is saying what and I have no idea what game you are referring to.

my play isn't too much different than some of my earlier games. I got away from it for a while but me being on v/la gave me a chance to get back to it. I call it my "Snarky" play style. I do it for a reason.

I thought you were the vig because of these posts, your reactions seem over the top imo, which means that it is forced either because you are scum or the vig. I was err'ing on the side of caution.

In post 18, Piratecat wrote:What is the benefit of the vig claiming?

In post 15, Piratecat wrote:Yes, because Outting the vig on Day 1 is real decent play.

This is me being nice, but how much have you guys been smoking?

In post 25, Piratecat wrote:For bringing up the discussion on outting the vig.

VOTE: Catboi

Plus.. Your name is similar to ours!

RichardGHP · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:20 pm

Vote Count 1.15

Piratecat (3)
: BBmolla bubbajack8 Jake from State Farm
bubbajack8 (2)
: Rob13 fuzzybutternut
Jake from State Farm (1)
: Piratecat
fuzzybutternut (1)
: catboi
Rob13 (1)
: rmpeacoc
catboi (1)
: GuyInFreezer
Not voting:
(
nobody
)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-03 17:57:30).

GuyInFreezer is V/LA for four days.

Piratecat · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:23 pm

....

Or it could be.. I thought the vig claiming wasn't a good idea?

Why can't I be town and post that?

(I'll sign my name as ~R - If I can remember. It's my other nickname that doesn't have a 'M' in it
This is Mala, btw. All those posts above where Mala)

Piratecat · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:27 pm

693 was Mollie.

Also for fun ^_^

Spoiler:

Piratecat · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:38 pm

why did you leave out all of the other stuff its like you don't want people to know about our seekrit plottings or something. or what we had for dinner.

~mollie

eta: when peeps claim to not be able to tell us apart I find it to be hugely scummy.

Rob14 · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:29 pm

In post 692, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 690, Rob14 wrote:The fact that Jake went make to Pirate's 253 as I requested and did NOT call out the "Why me" comment in that post is questionable. Why did it stick out so much when I did it but you didn't pick up on it from Pirate? The most likely reason, in my opinion, is that you were searching for potential reasons that I was scum AFTER you developed your "read" on me (i.e. scum trying to think up reasons to validate a read that they're being forced to explain). If you actually held "Why me = fry me" to be a valid scum tell, you would read for it and would have picked it up in Pirate's post.
I already thought she was scum, the only reason I had not voted her previously was due to thinking she was the vig. Now that I know she isn't, I don't really need to point out every tiny reason.

Which is why I didn't jump to my conclusion without first asking you to specifically analyze Pirate's post as detailed as possible. You did analyze the parts you found important in great detail, and you didn't feel it prudent to include a scum-tell that you supposedly value. I stand by my conclusion that this makes that particular tell on me seem forced, in retrospect.

@Pirate - I can't tell you guys apart. Mostly because I make no effort to.

Also, since rmp outed himself, those vig posts quoted by Jake were a large portion of my initial town read on Pirate. Nothing Pirate has done has indicated scum to me in any way, though.

@Jake - In #600, you say there's no way you'd buy Pirate as a vig despite the posts you just quoted (which you specifically referenced). So why again were you not voting Pirate before?