Newbie 1378 - Game Over! (Town Wins)

[uctriton00]

Yes that

[uctriton00]

I am focusing on Jason because I know he is scum. Take that how you will.

This was the post that tipped me off to mattel being the cop. That's the universal signpost for "I have a guilty, you morons!"

When I saw it, I went, "waitwhat, did I just see what I thought I saw?", did a quick crosscheck of mattel's posts on D2, and then, " Oh, man, Mastin, you're an idiot. How'd you miss that before?" And that's when I switched my vote.

That looks like pure conjecture to me as opposed to a claim

[Lucky2u]

Wow so many wall posts to catch up on...

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Mastin

He is getting as angry as Jason was before we lynched him

[uctriton00]

I think I'm angrier than martin right now but that's because I don't appreciate his lies.

[Lucky2u]

I just realized I've been saying ucrit but his name is uctrit. Why did you never correct me?

[uctriton00]

ucrit sounds gangster for some reason

[Lucky2u]

come on linxie or enomis. You know you want to do it. Vote mastin.

[Linxie]

Right now I want to vote both of them. They both have valid points as well as bs points.
They both stood to gain from a vote on Jason. Mastin got on early and Triton hammered.

I'm currently at a point where I feel if we vote Mastin and he flips town, we're going to go straight for Triton next day (and vice versa), but then what if Lucky was the scum all along. (Sorry Lucky, until I see your alignment, I honestly can't help having suspicions about you) In the same breath I also feel that this is probably the only way right now... it's between Mastin and Uct.

Maybe this help me a bit (I'm going to list pro's (Town) and cons (Scum) of both)

Mastin
Town: Scum:


Lucky, at which point did you realise Mattel was cop and which post of his alerted you to the possibility?

[Linxie]

Right now I want to vote both of them. They both have valid points as well as bs points.
They both stood to gain from a vote on Jason. Mastin got on early and Triton hammered.

I'm currently at a point where I feel if we vote Mastin and he flips town, we're going to go straight for Triton next day (and vice versa), but then what if Lucky was the scum all along. (Sorry Lucky, until I see your alignment, I honestly can't help having suspicions about you) In the same breath I also feel that this is probably the only way right now... it's between Mastin and Uct.

Maybe this help me a bit (I'm going to list pro's (Town) and cons (Scum) of both)

Mastin
Town: Scum:


Lucky, at which point did you realise Mattel was cop and which post of his alerted you to the possibility?

[Linxie]

Ag geez man I seem to have this habit of hitting submit when I'm not finished.

To be continued in next post...

[Linxie]

Mastin:
Town Scum
Voted Jason

[Linxie]

GRRRRRRRRRRR! (I found the culprit, it's when I hit tab then space)

Mastin town: Voted Jason early (picked up on Mattels claim), argument against Uct is well thought out.

Mastin scum: Uct has a valid point about Mastin "posturing" which I see as well. He's putting A LOT of effort into his argument against Uct.


Uct town: Hammered Jason, he picked up on Mastin's posting style which I'm starting to agree with.

Uct scum: I'm still bothered by the near hammer on Lucky and the hammer on Jason instead.

[Lucky2u]

Look at my post 521, I made a plea for ucrit to hammer Jason and he did and it paid off. I am asking for the same leap of faith here Linxie. If we miss we can sort out in the morning.

[Linxie]

Look at my post 521, I made a plea for ucrit to hammer Jason and he did and it paid off. I am asking for the same leap of faith here Linxie. If we miss we can sort out in the morning.

You're right and I'm leaning to it, but humour me one more time and answer my question regarding Mattel's claim.

[enomis]

This is misrepresented. The "so do I" first line was in response to mattel saying "Just hope the right decision is made here." and then the "If we lose the cop..." sentence was in response to his concern that the scum found out who the cop/tracker was. I had picked up Mattel's crumbs (not Jason's) and knew he was talking about himself. I was not so subtlety telling Mattel that he needed to give us some reads before the scum killed him that night (which they did).

The rest of your post is completely valid. Jason is a smart player and that statement about how he likes to bus really has us all doing WIFOM, which was probably his goal to begin with.

Lets ignore your first para. Lets go to your second para.
You mean the rest of my post is valid =

Mastin for many reasons. His blaming ucrit kind of makes sense but why am I even a possibility? The two top wagons yesterday were me and Jason. In the scenario that I am scum, me and Jason were spending the whole day trying to bus the other. There was no reason to do that day 2.

Saying you are not scum becaUse you two were trying to bus each other whole day.

Then here:

Going by their votes alone, linxie and enomis are the two that weren't on Jason. We know that Jason likes the bus strat so really noone can be counted out, even me. So where was the last scum hiding...

What? So this is just a statement made out of convenience to try and make yourself look town?

Is valid

Which means you made the statement out of convenience to try and make yourself look town which means you

ARE ADMITTING TO BEING SCUM.

What did i just read?

AND

, Yes, i want to know when you found out mattel being cop.

[Linxie]

I'd like a cake
And to be fanned with a feather

One scum to go, and ill share my final read tomorrow (I'm pretty sure I have it right)

Your reads today, are they the same as D2 (as per the above)?

[Lucky2u]

I am focusing on Jason because I know he is scum. Take that how you will.

It was this not so subtle crumb that told me he was claiming cop. Of course he could have been doing it falsely, there was no guarantee but I was ready to point him out in twilight if Jason flipped town. He made two other posts similar to this but this was the one that caught my attention most.

[uctriton00]

Your reads today, are they the same as D2 (as per the above)?

That line was an attempted fake out to draw the night kill. Scum should be killing their biggest threats, and if not a PR, then someone who probably has the game figured out.

They still went after the PR anyway.

I didn't make my read on mastin until I logged onto Day 3 (i.e. today) and saw the quick vote from mastin onto me, making me think he sees me as a huge threat, and thus he wants me dead asap, meaning he's scum.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 3.1

Linxie (0) -
Lucky2u (0) - enomis
enomis (0) -
uctriton00 (0) - mastin2
mastin2 (0) - uctriton00, Lucky2u

Not Voting: Linxie

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is Sunday, June 30th at 9:30 am PDT or in

(expired on 2013-06-30 09:30:00)

[Lucky2u]

Ucrit, just so you know. If mastin flips town I am coming for you next.

[Linxie]

Spoiler: Triton post 693

Your reads today, are they the same as D2 (as per the above)?

That line was an attempted fake out to draw the night kill. Scum should be killing their biggest threats, and if not a PR, then someone who probably has the game figured out.

They still went after the PR anyway.

I didn't make my read on mastin until I logged onto Day 3 (i.e. today) and saw the quick vote from mastin onto me, making me think he sees me as a huge threat, and thus he wants me dead asap, meaning he's scum.

Did you

reeeally

think after Jason said "scum buddy kill mattel", scum would target you?

Spoiler: Lucky post 692

I am focusing on Jason because I know he is scum. Take that how you will.

It was this not so subtle crumb that told me he was claiming cop. Of course he could have been doing it falsely, there was no guarantee but I was ready to point him out in twilight if Jason flipped town. He made two other posts similar to this but this was the one that caught my attention most.

How would you have pointed him out in twilight after the flip?

Spoiler: Mastin post 603

VOTE: uctriton.

My reasoning for this is the same as yesterday. Their interactions

scream

scumbuddies. uctriton and Jason started with an early distancing act, where they attacked each other to look good, but later this pressure on one another pretty much entirely vanished. Only in day two did it resurface, in a similar (but stronger) fashion. As soon as the pressure made it look like Jason might be lynched, uct bailed from the wagon and joined the counterwagon--had I not unvoted, he would have hammered Lucky2u. And it was only

after

I called him out on this that he switched back onto Jason, as the hammering vote.

As far as a scumteam goes, that's pretty dang condemning.

You call Triton out in post #509 as being Jason's scum buddy.
In post #518 Triton voted for Lucky.
Mattel soft-claims in post #520, Lucky pleads in #521, and Triton hammers in #522

Spoiler: Mastin post 622

OMGUS my ass.

You

are the one OMGUS'ing

me

, not vice-versa. As for the cop thingy, I will accept that you figured it out eventually (he did end up dead, after all), but I'm calling bullshit on your explanation. I find nothing wrong with your statement that you found it worth the gamble (it definitely was worth a try, triton), but that you hammered despite apparently also being aware of Jason's breadcrumbs is proof that everything you're saying is a lie. If you saw 'crumbs from Jason and saw 'crumbs from mattel, you would

wait until they had claimed

, not immediately hammer. Look at things from a you-as-town perspective. You see both 'crumbing. You might be the only one who sees both have crumbed.

You, not knowing which is real, hammer. And get things wrong. The scum nightkill you. And bam. Both scum are alive, and if you were the only one who picked up on the 'crumbs, then you have no way of finishing the 1v1.

You-as-town would realize this, and not rely on ambiguities.

RE: Bold & Underlined
When you die, your alignment and role is shown, so am not sure what you mean here. Scum wouldn't be able to claim, so the crumbs would be useless.

Spoiler: Mastin post 622

Double checked, mastin went into deep hiding during twilight

And this is the final nail in

your

coffin, triton. Simple meta research will show you that as town, I never take part in wifom-laced twilights. As scum, I'm right there discussing like a champion, to induce the wifom.

The fact that I was absent proves that I am town

, because I specifically avoided trying to contribute to the wifom. I specifically avoided trying to give the scum more info. I specifically avoided trying to make this game more mindscrewy.

RE: Bold & Underlined
Sadly it doesn't, people change their playstyle in order to confuse. If someone picks up on my scum tells, I'm not going to keep doing the same thing, I'm going to change.

[Lucky2u]

@linxie I would have to have done it in the morning, you're right. Given that I was high on some people's list I was probably the next target in a day 3 lylo

[uctriton00]

Did you reeeally think after Jason said "scum buddy kill mattel", scum would target you?

The best thing a VT can do is to draw the night kill, away from teammate PRs. I tried.

[uctriton00]

Ucrit, just so you know. If mastin flips town I am coming for you next.

Luckily we won't have to as I think mastin is scum