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@ak,

i would like you to explain the nat town read because i'm going over his iso now and don't see it. he largely coasted by d1 contributing virtually nothing in the way of content and his position on the db wagon is about where i'd expect scum.

for reference, i'm reading the other three players at the front end of the db wagon as town and i do not believe there was no scum on that wagon.

nat wrote:It is not completely out of the realm of imagination to assume that seven people voted wrong--even assuming the worst numbers of 3 scum+SK, that leaves 9 town to mislynch.

no, it is highly unlikely given how hesitant people were to lynch DB. that suggests there was already scum on the wagon. i may be wrong about one of my town reads in the early part of the wagon, but i'm almost certain there was at least one, maybe two scum on the wagon prior to titus's hammer.

nat wrote:If there must be scum on the wagon, it's probably between Brian, Rail Tracer, and Titus.

if you had to pick one, tell me who you'd pick

In post 669, Rail Tracer wrote:@ak,
why is natirasha town? name at least one scum on the DB wagon.

also NAt is town due to this post specifically

In post 612, Natirasha wrote:Am I talking to Mala or Mantis? Either way I love you. I don't think the ns case will happen before deadline though.

In post 674, Natirasha wrote: If there

must

be scum on the wagon, it's probably between Brian, Rail Tracer, and Titus. I am not happy with any of those choices, though, so I'm going to assume worst case scenario here.

titus is town, trust me!!
this is mantis
look at NS's ISO again

what was town about that post?

In post 675, Rail Tracer wrote:@ak,

i would like you to explain the nat town read because i'm going over his iso now and don't see it. he largely coasted by d1 contributing virtually nothing in the way of content and his position on the db wagon is about where i'd expect scum.

for reference, i'm reading the other three players at the front end of the db wagon as town and i do not believe there was no scum on that wagon.

nat wrote:It is not completely out of the realm of imagination to assume that seven people voted wrong--even assuming the worst numbers of 3 scum+SK, that leaves 9 town to mislynch.

no, it is highly unlikely given how hesitant people were to lynch DB. that suggests there was already scum on the wagon. i may be wrong about one of my town reads in the early part of the wagon, but i'm almost certain there was at least one, maybe two scum on the wagon prior to titus's hammer.

nat wrote:If there must be scum on the wagon, it's probably between Brian, Rail Tracer, and Titus.

if you had to pick one, tell me who you'd pick

i could be biased in that he's on the same page as me, in regards to NS.

In post 678, Rail Tracer wrote:what was town about that post?

look at last post.

why are YOU not considering NS?

who took over HP?

ahh nvm, ranaway..
who seems kinda absent

Okay, just looked at it. Sure, if NS is scum, Titus is town. I had her down as a pretty strong townread day one, even if she was busy going insane or something at the end there.

if you had to pick one, tell me who you'd pick

Brian Skies. I've mostly let him float by due to being noobish+friendly+decent analysis, but he's the one who's struck me as the least town of the bunch.

ak wrote:why are YOU not considering NS?

holy shit. this is like the third time in 15 minutes i have to say this.

Godly One wrote:maaaaaaybe ns if someone can convince me

you're not convincing me.

ak wrote:i could be biased in that he's on the same page as me, in regards to NS.

that sounds like a shit reason. if ns is actually town, then he could be on the same page as you because he's scum who... you know... likes mislynches.

but he's not even on the same page as you, because he's not voting ns.

RT, why are you being difficult?

gonna look at Nat's ISO...

how the fuck am i being difficult?

i said if you convince me, i'll consider voting ns.

that's about as not difficult as i can be, so consider yourself lucky.

ak wrote:first off, because NS seems scum. i think i already spewed forth my opinions with him.

ak wrote:i don't think Titus looks as bad as NS is making him out to be

ak wrote:plus, NS's first post and reads, were bad. can't really get over that

this ... isn't convincing...

In post 580, Natirasha wrote:Eh, it's fluffy but I'm getting really strong town read off Titus at the moment. I don't get the Rail Tracer vote really, but everything else adds up in my book.

Nat...can you say why you were getting a really strong town read off Titus?

that;s pretty much the only thing that sticks out for me, with Nat. Otherwise, i think he is town.

In post 687, Rail Tracer wrote:how the fuck am i being difficult?

i said if you convince me, i'll consider voting ns.

that's about as not difficult as i can be, so consider yourself lucky.

lol

ok. i will restate with NS.

give me a minute or so

I've played with Titus enough to have some inkling of how she plays. She's very methodical, but also prone to taking odd leaps of logic at times. I dunno, I feel--like fferylit--she's a very transparent player for me to read.

I know meta cases aren't the best, but it's all I got...the Titus-town read is like 100% gut.

In post 692, Natirasha wrote:I know meta cases aren't the best, but it's all I got...the Titus-town read is like 100% gut.

take a look at Fuz's play as well, to confirm that

nat wrote:that;s pretty much the only thing that sticks out for me, with Nat. Otherwise, i think he is town.

see, my biggest problem with nat is that i don't see any town in his posts. he has literally coasted through the entire game since he replaced in. some bullshit about needing to find "tempo" but then the rest of d1 was spent riding out the DB lynch and providing zero content. i also felt kinda meh about some of the things he was saying, like when he parroted my thoughts on the lack of counter-wagon and him trying to force a town block.

the other problem i have with the slot is i consider the way saki replaced out a minor scum tell. it was minor enough that i was willing to overlook it, but saki replacing out after HP brought up meta for why saki wasn't playing his town game looked like saki upset that he was caught. but yeah, this is rather minor so whatever.

I thought Saki replaced out due to issues with Ongoing games?

I don't feel I coasted through day one(and trust me, I can agree that I coast in some games--day one of Paradox Prime, Castle day one, for a scum example: Day one of Syryana's Hard Boiled)--I presented my initial thoughts, we talked about tempo a little(which I have discussed elsewhere on this forum if you're interested in learning more of the theory behind it), then I pushed my scumreads, defended my townreads, while attempting to setup the groundwork for an ns lynch. If you call that coasting, so be it, we'll have to agree to disagree.

@AK: I'll reread fuduzen tomorrow, it's too late for me to do analysis right now.

first off NS's post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5294916
he votes Dessew off the bat... but then doesn't even mention him till mid summary. if i was voting someone, i would think they'd be the top mention. here, for him, he''s just a part of the summary - as in, no big deal.
if you look at a lot of his posts, it seems a lot like's he's just asking opinions, mostly... rather that stating them. the only opinion he is vocal on, is Dessew being scum, who again he asks other opinions on.

@ak,

you say you didn't like ns's initial reads post. what did you think of natirasha's?

natirasha wrote:I thought Saki replaced out due to issues with Ongoing games?

he voluntarily replaced out when HP brought up an ongoing game to talk about why saki wasn't playing to his town meta.

natirasha wrote:I pushed my scumreads, defended my townreads, while attempting to setup the groundwork for an ns lynch. If you call that coasting, so be it, we'll have to agree to disagree

i feel you had no presence in the game. you commented on various things, but never really questioned anyone. you never strongly pushed or defended anyone, you just made minor comments here and there.

In post 694, Rail Tracer wrote:

nat wrote:that;s pretty much the only thing that sticks out for me, with Nat. Otherwise, i think he is town.

see, my biggest problem with nat is that i don't see any town in his posts. he has literally coasted through the entire game since he replaced in. some bullshit about needing to find "tempo" but then the rest of d1 was spent riding out the DB lynch and providing zero content. i also felt kinda meh about some of the things he was saying, like when he parroted my thoughts on the lack of counter-wagon and him trying to force a town block.

the other problem i have with the slot is i consider the way saki replaced out a minor scum tell. it was minor enough that i was willing to overlook it, but saki replacing out after HP brought up meta for why saki wasn't playing his town game looked like saki upset that he was caught. but yeah, this is rather minor so whatever.

to be honest, i thinnk HP looked pretty scummy. i don;t know what is to be said for his replacement. but so far, it doesn't seem that great.

i dunno, right now, i'm still liking nat's for town. and before you ask - it IS the post that i mentioned already, combined with gut.

In post 697, Rail Tracer wrote:@ak,

you say you didn't like ns's initial reads post. what did you think of natirasha's?

natirasha wrote:I thought Saki replaced out due to issues with Ongoing games?

he voluntarily replaced out when HP brought up an ongoing game to talk about why saki wasn't playing to his town meta.

i thinnk that could be a coincidence.
plus like i said, HP was scummy. did you not agree before that HP was ????