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Also, sthar's final thoughts were on Skelda.

2Pac's on the ones I noted two posts above.

I have a dinner outside, so I'll probably won't answer for a couple of hours.

In post 672, Ranawey wrote:

In post 541, Ranawey wrote:I do have to agree with Reg here, these last days I've townread Nominull. It's a shame he's playing this bad, we got lucky he tunneled onto one of the highly likely scum.

I may have turned lazy about scumhunting since I agree with a lot of Reg said. I know I have to step it up, I feel like I did nothing these last days.

Since 2Pac is still L-2

unvote

VOTE: 2Pac

Anyways, I'm not liking Skelda's vibes.

Also, Reg, you said that Skelda was the one most likely to be scum and then you say he is not one of the most likely to be scum. How's that?

In post 506, Skelda wrote:2Pac? Let's do it! VOTE: 2Pac

Do you see any differences? Because I see many.

That isn't exactly fair. I was going to change to 2Pac is people actually started voting for him, and I didn't think we had enough votes, so I got excited when I realized that we did.

Well, I'm reading your ISO and you never imply that.

I can't be so idiotic.

VOTE: Skelda

Will post reads later, gotta go for real.

In post 677, Ranawey wrote:Well, I'm reading your ISO and you never imply that.

Look, at that point it was me, Nom (townread), or Satan (not enough votes). Of course I became excited when there were enough and we switched to 2Pac. Of course!

Yes, 2Pac blood is on my hands too bc i am the one that hammered him... but unlike you I am sorry that I lynched him. You seem unrepentant, even happy for that lynch despite how how he flipped. This makes me suspicious of you. You seem like scum trying to justify why the 2Pac lynch was a good lynch.

The only reason I don't hammer or at least intend to hammer is I don't want to be manipulated into mislynching a townie like I did with 2Pac. So tell me why i should not put an intent to lynch on you.

In post 680, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Yes, 2Pac blood is on my hands too bc i am the one that hammered him... but unlike you I am sorry that I lynched him. You seem unrepentant, even happy for that lynch despite how how he flipped. This makes me suspicious of you. You seem like scum trying to justify why the 2Pac lynch was a good lynch.

The only reason I don't hammer or at least intend to hammer is I don't want to be manipulated into mislynching a townie like I did with 2Pac. So tell me why i should not put an intent to lynch on you.

Well, I'm town. But Fuzzy, I'm not playing that game. I am just a VT, my loss is no great burden for the town. And I'm not sorry, that is true. It is 2Pac's fault he was lynched, I'm not buying into this nonsense that I should somehow feel responsible.

I think Nom and Reg haven't even posted today, so nothing could be more idiotic than ending the Day now. We want to have a full picture for tomorrow when we are in LyLo, so killing me now wouldn't exactly be clever. But of course, you are all either too narrow-minded or stupid to see that.

And so I ask you again, what are you going to do when I flip town? Just say, oops, guess Nom and Reg are guilty? Or are you going to look elsewhere, like you did with 2Pac? Something tells me you are all too hypocritical to do anything differently, you'll probably kill Nom after me and then the scum will win. And, maybe that is what you get, but until Reg and Nom have gotten here and you have had a full, productive Day, I refuse to let you lynch me.

There is always a possibility Skelda is town and just fell for what Nom and Reg were selling. One of the three of them have to flip town. I still say we wait for those two to speak.

Nom should probably be our lynch though. look at the way he was defended for no reason by both of them.

Although I do agree that Skelda looks pretty bad at this point.

I will point out that the one pushing for Nom was lynched and the one pushing for Reg was nightkilled.

Just saying...

Well, I was gonna open by voting sthar8, but looks like he was town. Here's my thoughts on yesterday's debacle:

*We got screwed because the cop role got given to someone who wasn't taking the game seriously. Scum can't even take credit for that, it was just their dumb luck.
*One thing scum could take credit for, though, is how down-to-the-wire it came on the lynch. If there had been more time, maybe we could have gotten a claim out of 2Pac. In particular, sthar8 trying to start a Skelda wagon when there was a day and change left was a predictably bad idea. I warned everyone that it had to come down between me and 2Pac, and you didn't listen, and we paid the price.
*Mr. Ree, notable excellent player, should have admonished sthar8, but instead he joined right in.
*Mr. Ree was right about 2Pac being town, but this is worrisome, since there was no good reason for his belief, and Mr. Ree has not otherwise demonstrated supernatural powers of perception (c.f. doggedly pursuing me despite how clearly town I am). Scum know who town are.
*Mr. Ree is now pushing association tells from people who have not yet flipped, and tells based on the WIFOM-laden nightkill ("just saying" to avoid having to deal with the extent to which his argument is actually nonsense)
*Somewhere along the line this turned into less a "thoughts on yesterday's debacle" and more a case to
VOTE: Mr_Ree
, didn't it.
*But yeah, some other thoughts about other people. I have them.
*Don't like how reluctant fuzzy was to cast the lynching vote - the paranoia about getting held accountable for the lynch seems much more from a newb-scum than a newb-town perspective.
*Regfan made legitimately thoughtful cases. That's harder to do as scum than as town, even if the cases turn out to be wrong. Feeling good about him.
*Ranawey hasn't contributed much with real meat. One to keep an eye on. I'd like him to form a case for real.
*Satan I kinda like for town, his response to Reg's calling him out on a "contradiction" felt genuine.
*Skelda I never really understood the case on. He was 2Pac's #2 scumread though, and it's always good to keep in mind the opinions of lynched townies.

I am reading Ree, and Run as townie that leaves Skelda, Reg ,Satan and Nom as the possible scum. Honestly though I am reading Satan as more townie than scum .

@Skelda- I dont like how he thinks and defends the 2pac as a good lynch despite him flipping town cop.(more on the 2Pac lynch later on). Its not that I want to blame Skelda for the lynch bc I feel I am more responsible than him bc I put the hammer on 2Pac but as i said Skelda seems to reluclant to admit that the lynch was a mistake. Something I am willing to do. I just want to know why he consistently trying to defend his mistake as being right.

Reg- I do not like this guy. He is manipulative and throws a fit whenever someone disagree with him. He calls people dumb and tell everyone that he never wants play with them again. This is like a little kid saying he doesnt want to play anymore and so he going to take the ball and go home . Why would a townie do this. This is even more antitown than Nom sitting on 2Pac.Also we we had two good wagons on Nom and Skelda... two people that had good scum reads on them and Reg busted the wagons up. He got a wagon on 2Pac based on what turned out to be horrible reads. He also begs and pleaded with the two other people he consider scum to lynch 2Pac. He seem to do whatever he could to get the 2Pac lynch. Honestly I wonder if he thought 2Pac might be the cop and thats why he went after him so hard. If 2pac turned out to a VT than he had an extra try during the night. Not saying this is the case but I cant help but wonder. Regs just reads scum in my humble opinion.

Nom- Besides sitting on 2Pac all during day 1 he was just generally unhelpful nad seem like he was tryng to do this on purpose. He seems to be trying to be more helpful today. I dont know what to make of this . I honestly like to see more posts from him before we decide to possible wagon him.


@Nom- I was reluctant bc I was reading 2Pac as being town. I thought that it was going to be a bad lynch which it was. Like I said I only hammer bc I felt pressured to by Reg as well as the every increasing deadline. I was stuck between what i considered a bad lynch and a no lynch. To me it seemed like a no win situation. I decide that a bad lynch would be better since atleast we might get some info from it. I was also reluctant bc I did not and still do not trust Reg. Like I said he seems manipulative. Sorry but I was hoping that we would get you or Skelda lynch. You two had the biggest scum read from the town in my opinion. Honestly though I trust you more than i trust Reg. I think I would rather lynch Reg or Skelda since they seem the scummiest so far today.

Hammering because of the deadline was the right thing to do. I wouldn't find it suspicious at all except for the extent of the aversion you showed to the lynch before it even came up town. You were worried about how you were going to look when 2Pac came up town and you had hammered him, which seems like a scum worry to me. You seem sort of like scum who was happy that it looked like town was going to run up a townie of their own accord and didn't want to spoil it by getting on the wagon yourself.

Not at all I was worry about hammering him and than Reg turning around and trying to nail me with the lynch . He just seems like someone that would do something like that, by the way he acted. He tried to do the same thing with Satan.My hesitance alot more to do with Regs than it had to do with 2Pac.

Well, we'll see what Reg has to say when he shows up. I don't know why you'd think he'd try to blame you for a lynch he was on and he was pushing and he out-and-out told you to drop the hammer on, though. Like I say, it seems like you're paranoid about accountability, which is the thing scum fear most.

I have the feeling that he will almost parrot what you are saying.

I dont understand why I would fear accountability since if I was scum I could just hammer him without any repercussion. He had a strong wagon and nobody would of blamed me for lynching him I could easily gone along with the town and got the lynch/ Why would I want to hesitate and draw attention on myself when lynching him without questions would be the easiest thing to do if I was scum . Sorry but like I said your logic makes no sense in my opinion.

He wasn't worried about how he would look, he was worried about what the flip would be. That much should be clear.

AS far as lynching based on association tells go, it goes far deeper than that.

1. You were my scumread from yesterday
2. You were the scumread of the dead cop.
3. You parked your vote on the now dead cop and barely mentioned anyone else
4. You deliberately played anti town
5. You are unrepentant regarding 2pacs lynch
6. Your reads can't really be that bad.
7. You discredit those who speak against you
8. OMGUS vote
9. You still haven't done anything townie yet You insist we should see you as obviously town. Lol
10. You and probably your partner were both on the 2pac Lynch due to how difficult it was to get.
11. Gut.
12. I'm normally right.

A scumread that was nonsense then too. A cop who didn't have any results. He should have played better. I was trying to help. He should have played better. You're one to talk. I was "discrediting" you before you started to speak against me. Not my fault if scum votes for me. I'm sorry you can't see it, you must be pretty bad, or scum. Once it was down to me vs. 2Pac scum couldn't lose. Your gut is wrong. You're wrong here.

In post 689, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I have the feeling that he will almost parrot what you are saying.

I dont understand why I would fear accountability since if I was scum I could just hammer him without any repercussion. He had a strong wagon and nobody would of blamed me for lynching him I could easily gone along with the town and got the lynch/ Why would I want to hesitate and draw attention on myself when lynching him without questions would be the easiest thing to do if I was scum . Sorry but like I said your logic makes no sense in my opinion.

You said, and I quote, "I feel like I am being set up to take the fall if 2Pac flips town. I have the feeling that I will be the day 2 target, that if I dont get NKed first.". I don't know why you would say that if you didn't feel like you might be blamed for lynching him. Yes, it would be a foolish thing to think, but sometimes newbies think foolish things, especially newbies that haven't yet had a night to confer with their IC partners.

@Ree

I see it this way.

If Skelda fell for Nom and Reg's manipulation, it implies that Reg or/and Nom are scum. You want to go for Nom, Ree. My gut tells me Reg is way scummier than him, but I must wait and see what he's got to say. Also, I'm a newbie, so my gut is not as trusty as yours.

Anyway, if either Nom or Reg flipped scum, it would mean, at least for me, that Skelda is scum. If we get to lynch one of these two today, and he flips town, I'll be trying to get Skelda on day 3 no matter how. If Nom or Reg flipped scum, I'll be more inclined to think Skelda is town, but only slightly. Enough to leave him alone for a while.


@Skelda

Seriously are you refusing being lynched that is just hilarious and I'm not being sarcastic.

@Reg

Where the hell are you. If I was expecting someone I just lynched to flip scum I'd try to read the thread ASAP. But maybe you are busy, I can respect that.

In post 683, Mr_Ree wrote:I will point out that the one pushing for Nom was lynched and the one pushing for Reg was nightkilled.

Just saying...

Sthar was not only pushing Reg, but also voting for Skelda, wasn't he? That makes a lot of sense.

But I MUST KEEP WAITING for Reg to post.

I feel like Reg's disappearance is on purpose. Why'd he say anything if we all are here bashing at each others and expecting him to come? It's easier just to lurk, and we are clearly implying that we won't do nothing definitive until he appears. We are wasting time because of him, and he knows it.

If he's running and hiding because of the shame of getting his read wrong, that's dishonorable of him.

I'd rather think he is smarter than that.

He will have to show up eventually. With a good speech.

@Nom- exactly. The way Regs has been acting I was pretty sure that when 2pac flipped townie ( which was more likely than not .That is why I said if he flipped bc I was not 100 percent sure) Regs would try to goat me ( not sure if thats the right word )for hammering 2Pac. You can believe me or not that is up to you but its the truth. Maybe I was being paranoid but I dont trust Regs and do not like the position he put me in. Also what about the others who did not vote 2pac they could just as easily be laying off the 2pac vote to look like they are good old townies. This is exactly what Regs wanted ...to push the 2pac vote and than for someone else to take the heat for it. If you are town than you have done exactly what Regfan wanted.

I dont care whether or not Regfaan shows up or not. I dont caree about the consequences.Lynch me tomorrow if you must. I can not just let Regfan act super scummy and get away with it. Everything in my guts is telling me he scum

VOTE: RegFan

In post 698, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@Nom- exactly. The way Regs has been acting I was pretty sure that when 2pac flipped townie ( which was more likely than not .That is why I said if he flipped bc I was not 100 percent sure) Regs would try to goat me ( not sure if thats the right word )for hammering 2Pac. You can believe me or not that is up to you but its the truth. Maybe I was being paranoid but I dont trust Regs and do not like the position he put me in. Also what about the others who did not vote 2pac they could just as easily be laying off the 2pac vote to look like they are good old townies. This is exactly what Regs wanted ...to push the 2pac vote and than for someone else to take the heat for it. If you are town than you have done exactly what Regfan wanted.

Any comment on the lie you told when you said "I dont understand why I would fear accountability since if I was scum I could just hammer him without any repercussion."?

Mr. Ree, any comment on the lie you told when you said "He wasn't worried about how he would look, he was worried about what the flip would be. That much should be clear."?