Random softclaim again 'cause I'm an obsessive compulsive 'crumber:
My role makes me strongly believe we have four scum in the game--no more nor less, and probably no serial killer.
There
could
be a SK in theory, and theoretically I guess there could be five scum. (There's a minor precedence for it.) But I sincerely doubt that, overall.
I really think it's four this game. (Granted, not much of a statement, but it IS backed up by my role.)
In post 617, CarbonFiber wrote:I've been thinking about this game more and although I lean towards Mastin being scum more than town, I am not as certain as I was last night mostly because people who can actually read her and those who are obviously town seem to hold very strong opinions about her which makes me wonder if I am wrong.
You know...
...For someone accusing me of slowly backing out of a read after realizing it wouldn't pan out...
...This looks an awful lot like backing out of a read after realizing it wouldn't pan out.
Rancid, I can see why certain things may not make her scum but what's the big picture? Can you elaborate on why she is so obviously town? One thing I noticed you picked up on in Too Many Heads was that Mastin can't replicate "whimsy" as scum. Is she whimsy here? Or has she done anything else that she can't replicate so far?
This in particular looked bad to me.
Side-note, but an additional point of maybe-hypocrisy: F-16 accused me of townreading basically every stronger player and trying to mislynch the weaker players. Almost all of his posting seems to be doing the thing he's accused me of.
In post 627, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I think FoxHound be scummy,
Mostly for their tone,
Their content comes across flat to me,
It feels like a dull drone
It feels different from what,
Ceph was like in that large game,
But I don't know if his alignment,
Is why it doesn't feel the same
DV I dunno,
I haven't seen enough,
From what I've seen though,
I'm meh on his stuff
Basically this.
Also, on Cephrir.
DO.
NOT.
REFERENCE.
PREVIOUS.
GAMES.
Cephrir specifically tailors his play to the playerlist. When going up against players who know his scum meta, he can and has
perfectly
fooled them. The contemporary Maniacal Street Mafia and 165 games, as Bulbazak described, helped illustrate that skill. He'll be whatever he needs to be to make people townread him, and townread him they will. I believe he got a Don Corelone nomination, and if not, was on the level he could have gotten one. Basically, though...you've played with him? He's played with you, knows he played with you, and will have adapted to having played with you.
I don't read Cephrir off of meta. He's one of the only players who I will read purely. 100%. On just their play in the game.
...And on that note, he's still a scumread, albeit a minor one.
In post 636, The Fox and the Hound wrote: In post 548, MastinSSK wrote:(Another helpful hint, you can differentiate legitimate wagons on me from not-right-and-maybe-scumdriven-wagons on me by that factor. There's actually solid reasoning that you just "get" for me being scum? I'm scum. You don't understand the wagon? That's because I'm actually town.)
Half the time, you're aware of how arrogant you are. The other half, you're so arrogant I want to smack you upside the head. This is one of the latter moments.
I strongly suspect the behavior you mention is because of my mental health issues, but eh, I'm slowly dealing with those. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...the post you're quoting? Isn't one of those moments. No arrogance. Just truth. You either understand me or don't. Players who understand me (of which there are less than a handful--AP and Muffin being the only two I can think of off the top of my head) just
get
me. Players who don't, well, don't.
But it also applies to the bit about the difference between legitimate and not-legitimate wagons on me. A wagon on a scum-me makes sense. It's something I have trouble fighting off, because it's true and I can't really defend; the best I can do is deflect. The wagon is solid, with solid town players, and it's a miracle each time that I skate by. A wagon on a town-me doesn't make nearly as much sense. It just appears, and is there. It's something that I easily could fight off, but choose not to, in part because of that mindset--it's not true, so I really don't bother putting in the effort to defend myself.
Objectively, I think their posts are scummy.
Like hell they are. Okay, perhaps this bit is arrogance. But while it's true that people knowing me know I'm town, in spite of whatever they see that might objectively say otherwise, I don't really think that the latter half of that statement is even true; I don't think they're scummy-on-surface. I could be a random alt posting the same things, a stranger, and I'd still be townreading me.
They never give reasons for their suspicions, and when they do the reasons are explained really poorly, which is odd for someone who manages to post so many words.
Again, both heads know me and should know better.
Excuse me, I'll have to go check my magic 8-ball, since apparently you are impossible to read without the aid of magic.
This is actually a very, VERY accurate description. (It's also true of how I scumhunt, as I told ETL in our Faith Healer game.) Offense, defense, whatev. It's just...
there
.
Do you really? Really really really REALLY really?
Mostly?
I just wish I could tell whether or not that's because you're making shit up.
Even as scum, I never do. Like, as scum, I can create any narrative I choose. Most of the time, I don't out of laziness; it takes a lot of effort to maintain realistic nonsense. So instead of making things up, I simply choose to post the truth, which is often the most effective weapon anyway. Sure, yeah, truth exaggerated to suit my needs, but truth all the same.
/26.
Running out of time, so other two pages will come whenever I return.