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In post 662, Desperado wrote:i think tammy bringing up viscon is really scummy

it's an easy thing for her to say as scum, especially if we are all town (which i think is true)

Tammy referencing games is a pretty common occurrence.
I don't think that referencing a game that's "easy" to reference is scummy, especially when the game in question was an emotional game and that came with such a large "I told you so!" over Empire.

What bothered me about orc initially initially was interactions with ffery. Orc-town is pretty much irrationally paranoid of ffery: an example would be in Xenosaga where ffery was 1) incredibly town, and 2) scum were caught killing after Cabd and a Bulletproof Bodyguard both targeted us Night 1. The fact he has a strong townread on ffery when this is much father than her towniest game is an anomaly that still weirds me out: last time something like this happened, orc got a record fast townread on ffery and was scum against her in Vesperia.

I think orc's early posting is pretty solidly shit: he talks about a number of people being absurdly town in the early game where a town block could be formed but doesn't mention those reads at all (except ffery), and then pretty much never mentions those reads at all. His pushes, while not really on bad targets, don't really seem to have much of anything behind them:
His case on Elemental Hawk is "you're talking to me like you're town" - never pursues beyond this (he drops scumread because replace-out).
His case on Clyton is "why couldn't mastin have a role that implies four scum?" - never pursues beyond this.
His case on Fox is "this is every scumrir game ever".
His case on BRO is "OMG BRO IS BEING DIPLOMATIC".

I thought him putting ffery up for the fight was strangely town, seemed a weird risk to take for orc-scum but also a perfectly weird thing for orc-town. I haven't had an opinion on the rest of his posting.

In post 674, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 655, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Most of Clyton's posts are shit actually.

Which ones and why?
I can't say I have the patience to read his ISO, especially since I skimmed pretty much every single one of his posts the first round through.

His last post for example. Also, see my breakdown of Penguin's post.

What do you think of AP?

In post 675, Nachomamma8 wrote:Tammy referencing games is a pretty common occurrence.

yeah that's fine, but she's basically saying "i was in a game once where a neighborhood totally ruined everything (even though we won anyway!!!) so now i'm gonna be really paranoid!" and it just feels fake.

especially since she was reading us all as town...as long as mastin flipped scum.

Yeah, but she was frustrated at people shutting down suspicion on her and no one listening and finally winding up being right.

I do think that the logical progression of suspicion is to push at AP if Mastin flips town because well, he told us all to lynch AP with his dying breath, not the people pushing on Mastin. How Tammy approaches the next day will influence my read on her.

NACHO, why are you not giving me your reads on AP and Penguin?

You've hydra'd with Penguin before so you know how she thinks about her reads and her play and you should know she's scum here right?

I mean, her town game is spot-on, analytical, and resonates a ton. Her scum game is manipulative, hesitant and opportunistic.

Are you seeing what I am seeing regarding why Penguin is massively scum here?

It didn't take me more than 3 posts to figure that out. You were there with me in Wicked and Cowardly Hider when I pointed out why I thought she was scum in Cowardly Hider. You know how I read her game because I wrote that long-ass wall in Wicked.

Please read over Penguin posts to tell me whether I'm wrong. Also, AngryPidgeon. He's guaranteed scum, isn't he?

Those two, I am sure about. I just hope you are not the third. As to the fourth, I have no clue.

Hey guys, vaguely keeping tabs on the game right now. I have a midterm tomorrow, but after that I should catch up in time for day start/shortly thereafter.

Skimming here, if you guys can deal with penguin, that'd be awesome. I can't read her, so I'll be defaulting to Desp/just using my read on Clyton.

Can you deal with AP?

Anyways, I want to tunnel the crap out of AngryPidgeon tomorrow. I want to see how Nacho reacts. I want to see how Tammy reacts. I want to see how Penguin reacts. I want to see how Brian reacts. I want to see how Ceph and DV react. I want to see how Ffery reacts. That's all I need to figure out who the final remaining two scum are.

I am not certain that I will win the battle but I am certain that I will expose them all.

Yeah, I got AP covered.

What are your reads looking like at this point?

oh god I'm ultra tired I'll figure this out later

I finally looked at those posts you linked and ........... I probably could see Tammy making that replace out post here as scum 0.0

I'll need to double check her but I remember a lot of genuine sounding and town motivated things. either way I agree AP is the best focus for tomorrow

GIF has orci as scum via POE. I'm inclined to agree

also this doesn't mean anything but it's kind of funny. in every single game marangal is always paranoid as fuck about me for absolutely no reason. but she doesn't seem paranoid of me at all here. hmmmm

oh also GIF said Tammy's D1 was town as hell and nothing's gonna change his mind on that

In post 688, pieguyn wrote:oh also GIF said Tammy's D1 was town as hell and nothing's gonna change his mind on that

im telling you guys, she stole empire's asoiaf upick playbook

Nacho, what are your list of reads looking like?

As for Tammy, I won't bank the game on it and I need to talk to her when day starts to figure it out.

Nacho, why are you ignoring this thread and all my questions?

So, I looked through PV's interactions with AP and nothing in it suggests that they aren't a scumteam together. However, I want to see how PV reacts to knowing that his top two suspects flipped scum. That should give me a good read on him.

Three reads I will bank the game on: JSU, Yggdra, Cupcake.

No one else is here yet.

PV could be scum actually: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/GtdHruEzcXAh

Look at his advice in the scum QT around post 22:

One good thing to do would be to get into a heated, thread dragging argument with another mafia member.

Positives:
1. The longer they go on, the more both players are read as town.
2. With the flip of one player, the other is massively asusmed town, since scum does not argue like that with scum.

Negatives:
1. If too many town follows you, the player gets lynched. This may or may not be a #2 positive, depending on how contentious the argument is.
2. If the arguments are too vague, the tunneling looks artificial, and can be seen in later analysis.
3. The argument must continue past the first day (big tunneling mistake to drop day1 reads), leaving the same #1 negative.
4. The increased activity increases the chances of being a town-target (cop, etc.)


Anyone here think they can pull that off?

This is what he was doing with AP. Read his ISO here.

I wonder if I am being unfair to Tammy shutting off and derailing her PV suspicion and getting paranoid about her (if so, sorry Tammy).

And hey, remember we had PV as town because he was the scum designated mislynch. Well, we know now that Rancid was town and Mastin was town. What now?

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I am growing really concerned with you. I asked you for your thoughts about AP, Penguin, and Tammy and apologized. You responded to my apology but not to your reads. I made a case against Penguin and you haven't responded there too. The rest of us talked continuously about Tammy but you gave no opinion on it. I want to hear your thoughts or else I will assume the worst: that you are ignoring me because you intend to push for my mislynch tomorrow because you think you can win and I'll bring out the battlegear and armor, and my sword and shield to fight you to the death. Perhaps Tammy is scum with you and this is the day she intends to blow her cover and mislynch me together with you.

You know I am town regardless of your affiliation. You know I could never post like I posted as scum. You've hydra'd with me in Wicked. So, I am interested to see how you are going to approach a read on me. Thanks for the advance warning though because I am ready for you now and won't be taken aback if you and Tammy unleash the beast to mislynch me and take you guys to LYLO with AP and Penguin.

BRING IT NACHO. BRING IT, BRING IT, BRING IT

Bring in your best Nacho. If you are going to attack me, do it now. Because there is not a chance in hell I'll let you mislynch someone else and attack me in LYLO.

Tell Tammy in the scum QT the same thing.

The more I think about your posts the more they make zero sense. You were scumreading Mastin even as he massively pushed AP. Were you scumreading BOTH Mastin and AP? Did you feel that they were bussing? I was stupid for even thinking it. You never corrected me. You scumread both of them and then you pushed for Mastin's lynch. You said not a word about AP.

Bork was frustrated with AP but he never once voted him. You said you would vote AP D1 but you never pushed a lynch till deadline when he claimed. You never came back to it again.

I do not fucking buy that there is a bulletproof, a bodyguard, a commuter, and a watcher in the same game. That's absolute bullshit and you know it is and you know I am right.

SO BRING IT. I WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU DO
STICK IT TO ME THE BEST YOU CAN
YOU STABBED MASTIN IN THE BACK, DO IT TO ME
AND I'LL STAND UP TO IT LIKE A MAN

Do it, Nacho, Do it, Do it, Do it.

It is you, AP, and Penguin. That much I feel certain about. But who is the last scum? Who could it be? Is it Tammy? Is it ffery? Is it Ceph or DV? Is it Orc? Who is it? I don't know but I'll find out.

Yggdra Union is dead and to avoid spoilers, is being removed from access to this topic until endgame. Wave bye bye!