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[mastin2]

509[/post] - Another 'can't remember' moment from Mastin. A convenient way of avoiding having to explain anything.

Like fucking hell it's convenient! Do you think I

want

to have people give me the face because I can't remember? You think that I'm masochistic (or, rather, BAD) enough as scum (because, seriously, "I can't remember" is the laziest fucking possible scumplay ever and is the work of AMATEURS...no, that's an insult to amateurs because even most amateurs fucking know that if they gave "I can't remember" it'd get them lynched) to not have reasonings?

When I say I don't remember.

I fucking don't remember.

Nothing convenient about it; it's a fucking hindrance.

[mastin2]

Jesus Christ. I fucking hate it when my scum-reads start contemplating voting my other scum-reads.

Hey, genius, guess what that means about your scumreads?

[mastin2]

the slight scum lean is a result of her f-bomby reaction to small-negligible things which feels a little disingenuous, has she done this as town before?

Finished? Hmm...
Starting here, but picking up speed as I went. Most recently completed game.

It begins here, though admittedly I slipped a couple of 'damn's before.

The REAL ranting begins later, but look here for one of the first.

Barely present and hard to see through the hydra, but plenty here as well.

I'm giving a shout-out to this post,

Edit: Mastin, you're talking about the game where you got lynched for being detrimental to town while the scum laughed about it right? Scum always think townie players look town because they've got confirmation bias up the ass, don't listen to them. Or hindsight.

Same thing to you, Shadow, since I know that this is your head posting.

Do NOT talk about that game arbitrarily.
Just...don't.

You weren't there.
You weren't there. So don't you DARE pass your damn judgment on it so casually.
You have no idea. No fucking idea. What that game was like. You THINK you do.
But you don't. You just...don't.

...but it doesn't really take off until here.

It begins here, though as a hydra, can be hard to see.

And those aren't even the best examples, but they're the only ones I can give you that're relatively easy to find and link. There's newbie games where I go ballistic, too, and plenty more where the above come from.

You tick me off, you get HELL to pay for it, because I have an honor code in a game. I do NOT tell a lie. So you call into question anything, and I'm going to give you hell for it. When I say something, that something is true. That doesn't mean I can't be scum. I can be. But what I say is never a lie. Ever.

[mastin2]

Mastin seems way to0 confident. A quick look at some of her other games where she was town, it is consistent. Didn't see any scum games.

That's because none exist.

"What. What do you mean, no scum games exist?"

I simply haven't rolled scum in ages. It's always been town. 2014 was the year of the town role PM. (It continued into this year with this game, by the way, but EVENTUALLY, that streak HAS to end. Just not this game.) Any scum meta you'd use would be so hilariously out of date as to no longer be relevant.

(Also, vettock looks like scum to me, but just a quick guess; if the default were 25%, this would be like 30%.)

[mastin2]

,i think the vote should go on:
copper/vettrock/killa/anen

I'll take another look at copper and anen, but I wouldn't vote there right now because while I may vaguely understand the reasons for copper maybe being scum, I simply don't see either as being scum now. I also don't really see killa as scum, though I don't particularly see killa as town, either. (Just a guttown at this point.) Would vote vettock, though.

[eyestott]

Okay, so, I'm a tracker.

Gonna be blunt: don't buy it. Not for a minute.

That having been said...

unvote,
VOTE: davesaz.

Because while I'm about 80% sure eyestott's lying through his teeth and is actually scum, I have this annoying little policy of not lynching PR claims, however untruthful I think them to be, on D1, particularly given the chance (albeit remote) of the 20%.

Why do you not buy it?
In fact, why have you been scumreading me? I know you are, but you havent really explained why.
P.edit: I made this post when the post i quoted was the most recent one. I dont know if youve explained your scumread on me, but could you comment on it if you havent yet?

[mastin2]

Epic link fail.

the slight scum lean is a result of her f-bomby reaction to small-negligible things which feels a little disingenuous, has she done this as town before?

Finished? Hmm...
Starting here, but picking up speed as I went. Most recently completed game.

It begins here, though admittedly I slipped a couple of 'damn's before.

The REAL ranting begins later, but look here for one of the first.

Barely present and hard to see through the hydra, but plenty here as well.

I'm giving a shout-out to this post,

Edit: Mastin, you're talking about the game where you got lynched for being detrimental to town while the scum laughed about it right? Scum always think townie players look town because they've got confirmation bias up the ass, don't listen to them. Or hindsight.

Same thing to you, Shadow, since I know that this is your head posting.

Do NOT talk about that game arbitrarily.
Just...don't.

You weren't there.
You weren't there. So don't you DARE pass your damn judgment on it so casually.
You have no idea. No fucking idea. What that game was like. You THINK you do.
But you don't. You just...don't.

...but it doesn't really take off until here.

It begins here, though as a hydra, can be hard to see.

And those aren't even the best examples, but they're the only ones I can give you that're relatively easy to find and link. There's newbie games where I go ballistic, too, and plenty more where the above come from.

You tick me off, you get HELL to pay for it, because I have an honor code in a game. I do NOT tell a lie. So you call into question anything, and I'm going to give you hell for it. When I say something, that something is true. That doesn't mean I can't be scum. I can be. But what I say is never a lie. Ever.

Fixed.

Why do you not buy it?

Because the claim feels faked-as-hell, and the whole handling of it far moreso; it feels like a claim made to save your ass, rather than your actual role. It is, also, exactly as you said, the role you'd claim as scum, and you SAYING you know it's the role to claim as scum doesn't change the fact that it's the role you'd claim as scum.

In fact, why have you been scumreading me?

Little stuff here and there, mainly gut.

[mastin2]

The heck?!? Why isn't it being fixed?

Epic link fail.

the slight scum lean is a result of her f-bomby reaction to small-negligible things which feels a little disingenuous, has she done this as town before?

Finished? Hmm...
Starting here, but picking up speed as I went. Most recently completed game.

It begins here, though admittedly I slipped a couple of 'damn's before.

The REAL ranting begins later, but look here for one of the first.

Barely present and hard to see through the hydra, but plenty here as well.

I'm giving a shout-out to this post,

Edit: Mastin, you're talking about the game where you got lynched for being detrimental to town while the scum laughed about it right? Scum always think townie players look town because they've got confirmation bias up the ass, don't listen to them. Or hindsight.

Same thing to you, Shadow, since I know that this is your head posting.

Do NOT talk about that game arbitrarily.
Just...don't.

You weren't there.
You weren't there. So don't you DARE pass your damn judgment on it so casually.
You have no idea. No fucking idea. What that game was like. You THINK you do.
But you don't. You just...don't.

...but it doesn't really take off until here.

It begins here, though as a hydra, can be hard to see.

And those aren't even the best examples, but they're the only ones I can give you that're relatively easy to find and link. There's newbie games where I go ballistic, too, and plenty more where the above come from.

You tick me off, you get HELL to pay for it, because I have an honor code in a game. I do NOT tell a lie. So you call into question anything, and I'm going to give you hell for it. When I say something, that something is true. That doesn't mean I can't be scum. I can be. But what I say is never a lie. Ever.

Fixed.

Oh. Think I got it.

[eyestott]

Wait, you said you'd lynch me in a heartbeat, even though your reasons are "little stuff here and there, mostly gut". You look like you're trying to downplay how much you're scum reading me.
If you had to kill one person and keep the day going at the current everything, minus one player, who would you kill?
If you were made king, who would you lynch? Would you be content with lynching them a few RL days into the day?

[mastin2]

Wait, you said you'd lynch me in a heartbeat, even though your reasons are "little stuff here and there, mostly gut".

Yeah, and?

If you had to kill one person and keep the day going at the current everything, minus one player, who would you kill?

Dunno, depends. I really don't like the vig role. I might use it to kill dave, or might use it to kill someone lotsa people are talking about like dodgy. I'd want info gained.

[eyestott]

Also, so if you think this is how I would have fakeclaimed as scum, how do you think town tracker me would've claimed?

[mastin2]

(Honestly, as a vig I'd frankly just no-kill and play as if vanilla unless I deemed it necessary to make a kill.)

[mastin2]

Also, so if you think this is how I would have fakeclaimed as scum, how do you think town tracker me would've claimed?

Similarly, but more genuine? Hard to explain.

[eyestott]

Wait, you said you'd lynch me in a heartbeat, even though your reasons are "little stuff here and there, mostly gut".

Yeah, and?

If you had to kill one person and keep the day going at the current everything, minus one player, who would you kill?

Dunno, depends. I really don't like the vig role. I might use it to kill dave, or might use it to kill someone lotsa people are talking about like dodgy. I'd want info gained.

I mean, I'm one of your top scumreads, yet you haven't really made a case against me.
You've explained your reads on many of the other players, but it seems as if you're trying to avoid the question of why exactly you're scumreading me.

[eyestott]

What about the kingmake question?

[eyestott]

Also, so if you think this is how I would have fakeclaimed as scum, how do you think town tracker me would've claimed?

Similarly, but more genuine? Hard to explain.

See, this is what I'm talking about. You've not given specifics, which makes it impossible for me to explain myself.

[eyestott]

Do you have strong reasons that you don't want to share? Is that why you've been darting around making a case against me? I'm legitimately confused.

[eyestott]

You're putting pressure on me to see if I crack, aren't you?

[eyestott]

This is like, a test, yeah? Because it would have been very easy for you to give legitimate reasons to scumread me.

[eyestott]

Almost everyone has posted, but only

6

people have confirmed in the way instructed.

You should all have your Role PMs.

The Game thread is here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60351

Please confirm by posting "Ready" in-thread.

Ready

[eyestott]

Obviously I'm not getting a reply, so I'm going to bed.

[vettrock]

VET'S reads list is nothing short of heinous and scummy as shit

I will somewhat agree with heinous, but not scummy. Some people are good with D1 reads and digesting massive amount of information quickly, but I'm not one of those people. I'll continue to provide input, and I should have some more time now for some analysis.

[vettrock]

(Honestly, as a vig I'd frankly just no-kill and play as if vanilla unless I deemed it necessary to make a kill.)

I general I agree with this, and how I would play it, especially early in the game. I think you are more likely to help scum than town. Late in the game however there may be a good case to use it.

[vettrock]

tth's internet crush is scum, btw

For reference, who is tth's internet crush?

[eyestott]

What do you think of Mastins case against me?