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I'm a big proponent that to get to final 2 in survivor requires having done something right. Even more so in MS Survivor where a lot of the more social elements are stripped in favour of increased strategy.

For a person to come into merge in the minority, and last to final 2 isn't a fluke, even if you consider them a goat.

Is there a failing in being unable to convince the jury of your activities or worthyness? YEah, especially if you don't write anything, but there's something to be said about it and I'm not sure any finalist belongs this low.

Middle Earth was a Final 3, if I recall.

yeah that's the thing he was third with zero votes in an f3

and he himself seems to credit his survival to "pippin decided to save me," like jeez man advocate for yourself a little it's an FTC

Eh... I guess that puts him a little lower in my mind, but certainly not under 350.

But that's kinda just my own viewpoint on the game, so it's by no means a hard and fast condemnation of the cut.

I kinda forget it was an f3 he's that forgetful. He has like no story at all. It was a different time then too, he wouldn't be a finalist in games now. Not by a long shot.

In post 679, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Eh... I guess that puts him a little lower in my mind, but certainly not under 350.

But that's kinda just my own viewpoint on the game, so it's by no means a hard and fast condemnation of the cut.

If this were a ranking based on everyone's gameplay, I would agree that he's above 350, but this is a ranking based on how good of a character everyone was. And even if he did do some things right to get to the end, it was not in an entertaining way!

In a gameplay ranking, Gothmog would be a steady #106.

If only someone developed a system for that type of thing

CALCULATED AFTER ALL RELEVANT CUT
AFTER ALL CHARACTERS HAVE CHARACTERS BEEN
HAVE RELEVANT
BEEN HAVE
CALCULATED BEEN RELEVANT CUT
CUT CALCULATED
ALL AFTER CHARACTERS

(Seriously though, huge thanks to everyone who worked/is working on the spreadsheet, especially Drench. I find the data on that enthralling.)

It's my favorite piece of postmodern poetry.

To be fair Crazy, I think Nightwing did make a move against Huntress, which was fairly interesting, and you were in the first tribe majority alliance, sporting a rivalry with Two Face to top it off! Not a spectacular character sure, but probably not quite as boring as you claim

I'm confused by these cuts, they're from games i don't know anything about, but they seem to me to not be things that happen from from the descriptions being given.

There are more forgettable characters out there still, or at least players I've forgotten as actually doing anything.

If you cut Karamel Sutra you WON'T MAKE IT OUT OF AUSTIN ALIVE

In post 675, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm a big proponent that to get to final 2 in survivor requires having done something right. Even more so in MS Survivor where a lot of the more social elements are stripped in favour of increased strategy.

For a person to come into merge in the minority, and last to final 2 isn't a fluke, even if you consider them a goat.

Is there a failing in being unable to convince the jury of your activities or worthyness? YEah, especially if you don't write anything, but there's something to be said about it and I'm not sure any finalist belongs this low.

Some finalists are just boring because you can predict them being irrelevant long before they make it. See: Survivor Cook Islands. Did you know that was a Final 3? The jury sure didn't. Although we ridicule Playing for Second a lot, it has occured to me that on the show getting second definitely has a monetary reward so it's not really that unreasonable to want to be dragged if you weren't going to win anyways. Being exciting and getting voted out sixth (see Cambodia) lowers your paycheck.

yo how tf is storm still in this

In post 689, Shadoweh wrote:

In post 675, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm a big proponent that to get to final 2 in survivor requires having done something right. Even more so in MS Survivor where a lot of the more social elements are stripped in favour of increased strategy.

For a person to come into merge in the minority, and last to final 2 isn't a fluke, even if you consider them a goat.

Is there a failing in being unable to convince the jury of your activities or worthyness? YEah, especially if you don't write anything, but there's something to be said about it and I'm not sure any finalist belongs this low.

Some finalists are just boring because you can predict them being irrelevant long before they make it. See: Survivor Cook Islands. Did you know that was a Final 3? The jury sure didn't. Although we ridicule Playing for Second a lot, it has occured to me that on the show getting second definitely has a monetary reward so it's not really that unreasonable to want to be dragged if you weren't going to win anyways. Being exciting and getting voted out sixth (see Cambodia) lowers your paycheck.

There are two places.

First and not-first.

Also, getting 6th or getting 2nd, you still make good money for your time either way. The dropoff after the 1st->2nd one isn't that huge?

In post 687, Cheery Dog wrote:I'm confused by these cuts, they're from games i don't know anything about, but they seem to me to not be things that happen from from the descriptions being given.

There are more forgettable characters out there still, or at least players I've forgotten as actually doing anything.

What do you mean?

I could have sworn I did this last night!



If, as CC said, we're at the point where we're cutting people who actively diminished seasons, I think this is an appropriate time to cut Colin. Colin was incredibly UTR all game and didn't have much of a story. He was on Zora, which was a very interesting tribe, but was overshadowed by the other characters on it. When the first merge vote didn't go his way because of an idol, he decided he would act as a universal goat and essentially stop playing the game. This got him voted out immediately.

In post 691, BROseidon wrote: There are two places.

First and not-first.

Also, getting 6th or getting 2nd, you still make good money for your time either way. The dropoff after the 1st->2nd one isn't that huge?

There's a pretty big difference between 100k for 2nd and 2500 for last. I think the general consensus is 5th/6thish you get around 10k? Still huge.
And then you get into the non-placement awards like how a certain fedora asshole has somehow escaped with two cars because AMURIKA...
(The top 50 in the rankdown should basically be the people who would have won fan favorite cars right?)

5th/6th has to be more than like 10k.

That gap is probably more like pre jury and jury.

Regardless it's only speculation anyway

In post 694, Shadoweh wrote:

In post 691, BROseidon wrote: There are two places.

First and not-first.

Also, getting 6th or getting 2nd, you still make good money for your time either way. The dropoff after the 1st->2nd one isn't that huge?

There's a pretty big difference between 100k for 2nd and 2500 for last. I think the general consensus is 5th/6thish you get around 10k? Still huge.
And then you get into the non-placement awards like how a certain fedora asshole has somehow escaped with two cars because AMURIKA...
(The top 50 in the rankdown should basically be the people who would have won fan favorite cars right?)

You do realize the winner of the fan favorite award doesn't get a car right

"Survivor: Panama and Cook Islands

Starting with Panama, viewers could vote for their favorite castaway for a chance to win a car. This award was also used in Cook Islands. "

And then we read the next paragraph and...