Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Nauci]

i dont think the goon mention is important either
i saw it as other word for "main scum"

accurate

[Wisdom]

Don't see why Ugly+Beef team lol hammer and kill the IC not like they were in a great spot to just kill the IC does nothing to change the gamestate or help a !scum ugly team

you are assuming beef didnt just hammer to save himself (he did)
you are assuming ugly isnt a complete newbie as scum (he is)

[Mathdino]

mariaR assuming everyone else plays scum like she does lol

[Wisdom]

Don't see why Ugly+Beef team lol hammer and kill the IC not like they were in a great spot to just kill the IC does nothing to change the gamestate or help a !scum ugly team

you are assuming beef didnt just hammer to save himself (he did)
you are assuming ugly isnt a complete newbie as scum (he is)

also you're disregarding the ugly-traitor possibility completely

[Nauci]

I can't figure out wtf espeonage is doing

or what any of the theories Maria has mentioned mean

I'll try again after a nap

[Mathdino]

I can't figure out wtf espeonage is doing

or what any of the theories Maria has mentioned mean

I'll try again after a nap

PRO TIP

if you can't understand a maria post, just skip it

works pretty well for me

[MariaR]

Don't see why Ugly+Beef team lol hammer and kill the IC not like they were in a great spot to just kill the IC does nothing to change the gamestate or help a !scum ugly team

you are assuming beef didnt just hammer to save himself (he did)
you are assuming ugly isnt a complete newbie as scum (he is)

I'm assuming both aren't 100% morons and have 1 shred of common sense yes.

mariaR assuming everyone else plays scum like she does lol

Scum me wins games so if I assumed everyone played like scum me we'd be doomed (B
Pedit: Going for traitor reads feels like excuses to get a ML unless evidence supports a traitor soft.

[Mathdino]

maria, beefster self-voted in mylo as town

the idea that he's not bad at mafia nowadays is very questionable

[MariaR]

I can't figure out wtf espeonage is doing

or what any of the theories Maria has mentioned mean

I'll try again after a nap

PRO TIP

if you can't understand a maria post, just skip it

works pretty well for me

Are you always gonna be this anti town or?
Pedit: Did he now?

[Wisdom]

Pedit: Going for traitor reads feels like excuses to get a ML unless evidence supports a traitor soft.

are you listening to yourself
you just said ugly is town based only on what you think makes him not main scum

[Mathdino]

maria if you don't communicate your posts in a way that people can read them, that's not on me

like your posts tend to be these run on garbled messes of back and forth twisty logic and AtE and that was a major issue in mhsmith's game

i spend 3 times as much time reading your posts than anyone else's

[MariaR]

Pedit: Going for traitor reads feels like excuses to get a ML unless evidence supports a traitor soft.

are you listening to yourself
you just said ugly is town based only on what you think makes him not main scum

Yes. I don't think it makes sense for him to be main scum and that is who we should be going for. If you think ugly is a traitor show me something to support your theory

maria if you don't communicate your posts in a way that people can read them, that's not on me

like your posts tend to be these run on garbled messes of back and forth twisty logic and AtE and that was a major issue in mhsmith's game

i spend 3 times as much time reading your posts than anyone else's

You should've said this at the start. If my posts are unclear I'll put in the effort for you to better understand. (I don't think I ate'd in smtih game but that's besides the point)

[Mathdino]

I appreciate that.

Let's put it this way. You're basically arguing:
UglyDuck/Beefster scumteam doesn't lolhammer Thor because that throws away Beefster and puts them in a horrible position.

Consider what happens if they don't lolhammer Thor though:
1. Thor potentially claims PR and laughs in everyone's faces.
2. The day becomes a gladiation between Beefster and me.
3. Beefster always loses because he scumclaimed in his vote on me, and I don't get D1 lynched.
Possible vigs get another chance to shoot scum aided by Beefster scumflip, and it could be gg by D2.

I would actually argue it'd be stupider of Beefster to NOT hammer Thor in that situation. Beefster gets lynched or vigged after Thor's townflip no matter what anyway. And if Thor didn't get lynched that day, Beefster would.

For a newb-scumteam, do you see a way they could've gotten out of D1 without losing one scum?

[Nauci]

my mental image of Maria is Elsbeth Tascioni

[Wisdom]

maria
- beef

is

shit at mafia and his hammer was just to save himself. there's no hidden meaning.
- arguing math picked rolecop and killed the ic just so he can push that he would never do it is stupid. you said it yourself that its not worth it to go that far when more PRs means he'll be caught eventually
- traitors are still scum, dont go around calling them town even if you dont think they're the priority today
- voting judge is stupid and inconsistent with any of your theories; if you think math/me is the other main scum and judge is scum with math/me then judge would be the traitor and you just said you dont want to go after traitors

[Mathdino]

my mental image of Maria is Elsbeth Tascioni

nauci do you have the write-up you were gonna post saved anywhere?

like did you actually write it or did you mean like a mental thing

[Nauci]

I livejournaled it to the mod, actually

it was only 50% complete though i stopped taking notes while reading wisdom iso

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Eh. I stopped caring about winning games vs getting correct reads. In other words, I'm willing to sheep someone who thinks they're on the right track and see if they are.

Said another way: Espeonage is scum in this game, but I will vote someone else if you guys want me to.

[Mathdino]

i actually support policyvigging espeonage for claiming VT

it's the only kill that runs 0 risk of hitting any PRs

reduces paranoia

and reduces bad reads

[Mathdino]

JJD if you knew espeonage was getting vigged tonight who would you be lynching

you can't say nauci

ideally one of the ducks because realistically wisdom isn't getting lynched today

[the worst]

Let's keep up my record of being lynched d2 in stack the deck for fucking awful reasons

Yeahhhhhh

[Mathdino]

sooooo are you ever gonna talk about uglyduck

because he's clearly the main lynch contender for today and if anything you're a counterwagon to him

[Nauci]

Are there specific segments of my write up you want me to post

[Wisdom]

would you lynch me over the ducks if you could

@math

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: UglyDuck

I don't want to lynch Wisdom to begin with.

GODDAMMIT LET ME POST