The fact that she has me so low in the readlist. It feels like she was looking for people to put there, at least until I find out if there was any specific reason for it.
A neutron goes into a bar and asks the bartender, "How much for a beer?"
The bartender replies, "For you, no charge."
This still confuses me
ofrhz why are you voteparked on Blackstar?
Pintu why are you voteparked on Math?
That's an RVS vote that hasn't changed 'cause I have no strong scumreads at this moment, only strong townreads. Seems to me that a lot of players have talked about PoE when a PoE read on D1 is... reachy? So there are not too many players from my POV to townread and that makes difficult to make the decision on who I want to push. For example: I have ofrhz, BlackStar, jjh and the duckling in the top of my mind (in no particular order), but with those 4 I have like 3 theories that contradict themselves, and I don't want to discard theories with my vote for now. I mean, me voting for someone would be me making a stand on something that I believe, and at this point I believe like 3 things (that's what I'm trying to say)
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:47 pm
by Something_Smart
50, starting the setup discussion with the hurt tags, making a big-text vote on ofrhz and then immediately pivoting to BlackStar.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:47 pm
by Something_Smart
In response to ruru, of course.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:54 pm
by northsidegal
In post 652, Something_Smart wrote:I don't believe that a strong scumread on me is questionable because I'm obviously town-- if that were the case, I'd write something closer to the latter. Instead, I believe that a strong scumread on me is questionable because I haven't given enough content to be readable that confidently, in which case my guilt or innocence is actually irrelevant.
my readslist doesn't put you at a strong scumread, it's just an ordered list.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:57 pm
by Something_Smart
What does it put me at?
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:12 pm
by northsidegal
"not town yet"
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:14 pm
by northsidegal
i'm interested in your reaction this game as compared to mini normal 2005.
why are you confused / upset at your position now when you think you haven't done anything AI yet when in mini normal 2005 you were confident you were already playing to your towngame?
That's a weird category to have as the lowest... it kind of implies that you intend for everyone to become a townread of some degree, which would cheapen them to the point of being worthless.
In any event, I don't scumread you anymore, though I would suggest that you take a little different of an approach to tier-based readlists. (Especially since with so many tiers it's natural to assume that the bottom few are scumreads, and the bottom one at least decently strong.)
In post 686, northsidegal wrote:i'm interested in your reaction this game as compared to mini normal 2005.
why are you confused / upset at your position now when you think you haven't done anything AI yet when in mini normal 2005 you were confident you were already playing to your towngame?
I don't think what I've done so far has been so far out of my scumrange that I'd expect people not significantly familiar with me to recognize it. I engaged more early on in that game than I have so far in this one.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:24 pm
by northsidegal
In post 687, Something_Smart wrote:That's a weird category to have as the lowest... it kind of implies that you intend for everyone to become a townread of some degree, which would cheapen them to the point of being worthless.
i mean, everyone in the game is town except three people
and i have three people in the bottom of my readslist
so -shrug-, it makes sense to me
it's not that the "category" is "not town yet", it's that my personal read on you is that you aren't town yet. that's grouped with ofrhz and jjh who i think have a decent chance of being scum.
just how i organize my thoughts.
In any event, I don't scumread you anymore, though I would suggest that you take a little different of an approach to tier-based readlists. (Especially since with so many tiers it's natural to assume that the bottom few are scumreads, and the bottom one at least decently strong.)
it's seemed to work out pretty well for me in the past. at any rate, i've had two scum in the bottom of my readslist day 1 the last two open games i've played.
unless you just mean to improve the clarity for other people, in which case i guess you might be right - i seem to get questioned about it more often than i would expect.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:24 pm
by northsidegal
what changed your read on me?
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:28 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 688, northsidegal wrote:unless you just mean to improve the clarity for other people, in which case i guess you might be right - i seem to get questioned about it more often than i would expect.
Well, it sounds like they're kind of sort of PoE scumreads but probably closer to nullreads. In which case yeah, it's almost never a bad idea to be more clear about something (unless it's for reaction purposes).
Your clarification on the way that you're forming reads. Because if you're primarily looking for reasons to townread people, then it makes a whole lot more sense why you haven't found anything on me yet.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:31 pm
by northsidegal
it's not necessarily that i focus on townreads before scumreads - that's not true. it's just me keeping a low level of confidence in my scumreads.
the effectiveness of which i'm not entirely sure of yet, but what i
do
know are the negative consequences of
overconfidence
- i know them firsthand, actually (
still
mad about partition mafia).
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:32 pm
by northsidegal
which is to say that i think there are perfectly valid reasons to scumread you, but i wouldn't feel comfortable saying "something_smart is definitely scum" off of just what was in the thread before.
like, i think a scumread on you was/is perfectly valid, but i wouldn't do
too
much to act on it without more data, so to speak.
i think that makes sense.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:33 pm
by Something_Smart
Would you consider that a scumread on me is valid until proven otherwise, or are there specific things that lead you to consider it valid?
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:41 pm
by northsidegal
i think this conversation might be exiting the realm of in-game relevance, but it's not as if i'd enter into the game with the mindset of scumreading you until you proved yourself to be town. i guess it's just that your early posting lacked any signs of town in such a way that made them scum indicative. i guess that seems like it contradicts my first sentence there, although i think in general posting that "lacks town" from someone you might expect to be able to townread is very easily scum indicative (perhaps even more scum-indicative than people's regular scumreads - i find in general that people tend to nullread quiet scum and scumread townies who do outrageous things, game after game).
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:47 pm
by ruru
In post 690, Something_Smart wrote:Your clarification on the way that you're forming reads. Because if you're primarily looking for reasons to townread people, then it makes a whole lot more sense why you haven't found anything on me yet.
I feel like this doesn't come from a town mindset either and the read progression on nsg feels strange to me
It's one thing to be aware that you haven't obvtowned, it's another thing to expect people not to tr you at all to the point where you're PoE scum
Like the underlying assumption is that 10 players other than you have somehow been towny, and that that's a normal state of affairs even though at least one of them has to be scum for you to not to be scum, but you don't have a problem with it anymore because nsg said she's using PoE?
I'm not entirely sure I can see the reasoning for the original sr on nsg if it changes this easily
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:50 pm
by ruru
In post 694, northsidegal wrote:i think in general posting that "lacks town" from someone you might expect to be able to townread is very easily scum indicative
Especially considering this, which I agree with
Like why is it expected for others to find your posting to "lack town", starting with the assumption that you're a town player and that you are intentionally making posts in a mafia game
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:51 pm
by Something_Smart
Well, my issue in that case would fall with some of the other reads, but not with the one on me. I would expect at least one out of ten townreads to be wrong whether or not I was one of them, so I don't see it as more of a problem that I'm not among them. Since a PoE scumread on day one of a 13-player game can't be a scumread with any real strength to it anyway.
Also there's a reason that I'm hesitant to share scumreads early. I use phrasing like "slightest of scumreads" for a reason, and then people completely ignore it and get confused about why my reads are changing so easily.
Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:52 pm
by Almost50
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:53 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 696, ruru wrote:Like why is it expected for others to find your posting to "lack town", starting with the assumption that you're a town player and that you are intentionally making posts in a mafia game
Because I hadn't posted much? I don't think anyone here (except maybe Mathdino) knows me well enough to form a valid townread from those posts.