Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Ankamius]

yay more doing nothing club members

[Dunnstral]

They're annoyingly bad because they don't have the same reads as you? Even though you're only "60% sure"?

[Sakura Hana]

ok I'm going back to doing nothing

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Brian Skies]

Brain are you purposely dodging my question or did you miss it for the 2nd time now.

I'm purposefully ignoring it.

[Dunnstral]

and stop calling him brain

[MariaR]

I wish you'd trust me on Spiffy
Pedit: Annoyingly bad as in they won't answer anything with a clear answer and just post emotes. The 60% sure is on

you

not purr so I don't know why you're bringing that up unless you're trying to call me bad then thanks for the shade I suppose
Pedit2: No

[Ankamius]

that was kind of town tbh

[MariaR]

Brain are you purposely dodging my question or did you miss it for the 2nd time now.

I'm purposefully ignoring it.

But I'm the only one allowed to do that...

[MariaR]

Alright my fingers hurt so I'm gonna watch some big brother and be back in like an hour.

[Dunnstral]

You guys want me to talk more about what I was doing with the no vote thing?

I expected pressure to be on me at first, but once it was clear I wasn't budging I expected pressure to shift to the lurkers, the option to skip past it with the heal stuff was a way to get people to take a solid stance (either opposing the plan/wanting to skip it for whatever reason or not)

Of course, lurkers could have voted to heal too but that would have perked some eyebrows and would require explanation on their part

[Purrcocet]

what did i not give a clear answer to

ok I'm going back to doing nothing

VOTE: Spiffeh

ty

[Dunnstral]

The 60% sure is on you not purr so I don't know why you're bringing that up unless you're trying to call me bad then thanks for the shade I suppose

I know the 60% is on me

But you then go and call purrcocet annoyingly bad and want to scumread them for their read partially based around me - like there is a lot of room for error there and it's weird to see you jumping to conclusions like that

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, you were beyond convinced I was scum in Minuet. I’m not comfortable lynching there yet. I liked her comments about the Mylo wagon because she’s right about that.

1) No, I wasn't.

2) Using that as a reason to not believe me here is a logical fallacy.

3) Scum can be right about something just as easily as town can.

I actually want to expand on this because - and I really mean you no offense - Nancy is so wrong that it deserves far more words devoted to the subject.

1) No, I wasn't "beyond convinced" that you were scum in Minuet's trio. In fact, multiple times I expressed the opinion that, although I was not yet convinced that you were as town as others seemed to believe, I was more than willing to look elsewhere because there were scumreads that I were more confident on. This isn't an argument. It's not something that you can

possibly

dispute. It's literally the words that I wrote.

Speaking of those scumreads that I was more confident on, one of them happened to be Ginngie; so

even if

the idea that my reads from Minuet's Trio were reason to disregard my logic in this game, you're ignoring my reads that were

correct.

2) Your response to my entire line of reasoning was "well, you were wrong here". This is a logical fallacy. That's not to say that I'm entirely disregarding the concept of looking at someone's long-run read accuracy; however, not only is that not what you're doing, but on a case-by-case basis that wouldn't even apply here, especially given your massive sample size of one game (one game that, I might add, you selectively choose a misrepresented incorrect read from while ignoring a correct one).

If you want to directly refute what I said regarding Maria's pocketing of you, I would love that. If you want to just say "eh, I'm not convinced", I wouldn't really enjoy that, but on some level I could still understand it. Please don't insult me by responding to me with something like this.

3) This part doesn't really need that many words; if you think that agreeing with someone on a comment like "policy lynches are bad", an obvious comment on a wagon that's destined to go nowhere, or something to the same effect is a reason to townread someone - well then, perhaps you aren't so difficult to pocket as you think.

Did you read my reponse to this where I clarified what I meant? I also had forgotten about your Gingie trad when I made that post, so for you to suggest I am somehow deliberately twisting anything you said is simply not the case. Your comment about my not being as easy to pocket as I think, is also inwarrented because I said,

I’m on the fence

. I’m not at all dismissing your points either about her taking “easy stances”. So maybe I do need more convincing because I’m not seeing it yet.

[Dunnstral]

Wisdom is surprisingly under the radar by the way, not sure what's up with that, I'm used to seeing them as more active/in the front of things

[Ankamius]

hey leave my scumpartner alone

[Moment]

Did you read my reponse to this where I clarified what I meant? I also had forgotten about your Gingie trad when I made that post, so for you to suggest I am somehow deliberately twisting anything you said is simply not the case. Your comment about my not being as easy to pocket as I think, is also inwarrented because I said, I’m on the fence. I’m not at all dismissing your points either about her taking “easy stances”. So maybe I do need more convincing because I’m not seeing it yet.

You're right; I think somewhere in what I said I implied that it was a deliberate misrepresentation. That was wrong of me. I got perhaps more than a little upset when I saw your initial response.

So, I'd like to clarify; if you're "on the fence", does that mean that you agree with my reasoning regarding her attempting to pocket you and yet that alone doesn't convince you that she's scum, or is it that you're not convinced of something within the argument itself?

[Dunnstral]

Hey Spiffeh/MariaR, since you guys think I'm scum for reasons revolving around the vote thing, what would you have expected me to do with it as town?

[zMuffinMan]

i don't even have to read the game to know spiffeh is (probably) town

mostly because i didn't see his name in my role pm

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mmm that's fine. Do you know why you read me as scummy for this game at least?

Because i feel like dunn's role makes no sense as a scum oriented role and you're pushing it real hard, I also had entirely the opposite opinion of Dunn wanting to help out by artificially extending the deadline, I thought it was towny. I think your stance on Nancy is quite easy, and I feel you are trying to sort me by looking at my interactions with other people instead of directly enganging me, which feels kind of unusual.

Why does a scum double voter not make sense to you? I'm pushing dunn for his play not his role I already disagreed with you on the deadline stuff so I get that. I don't feel like I've sorted you by interactions at all though I've looked at your posts and tried to determine if there towny or scummy.

Dunn sounds villagery to me and I’m not liking your strong push on him.

[Brian Skies]

Alright, I see some people are getting rowdy so I'll lay down some terms for me starting us off: I want everyone to have meaningful contribution before votes go flying. Reasonable?

[Brian Skies]

You mean how he was explaining why he wanted to do it when you asked him 'why?'

The fact that he was responding to me doesn't make me feel differently???

The reason I bring it up is because his original explanation was much more concise and reasonable, and that's the one you challenged him on.

Alright, I see some people are getting rowdy so I'll lay down some terms for me starting us off:

I want everyone to have meaningful contribution before votes go flying.

Reasonable?

[Purrcocet]

wisdom scum would explain the weird stuff but that seems far fetched

gonna say dunntown, so...

town
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Moment
Nancy Drew
Dunn
Wisdom
Sakura
Brian

[zMuffinMan]

add me to that list imo

and spiffeh

[Purrcocet]

all your recent posts are either to the effect of how you cant post while at the same time soft defending spiffeh

it really hurts me

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mmm that's fine. Do you know why you read me as scummy for this game at least?

Because i feel like dunn's role makes no sense as a scum oriented role and you're pushing it real hard, I also had entirely the opposite opinion of Dunn wanting to help out by artificially extending the deadline, I thought it was towny. I think your stance on Nancy is quite easy, and I feel you are trying to sort me by looking at my interactions with other people instead of directly enganging me, which feels kind of unusual.

Why does a scum double voter not make sense to you? I'm pushing dunn for his play not his role I already disagreed with you on the deadline stuff so I get that. I don't feel like I've sorted you by interactions at all though I've looked at your posts and tried to determine if there towny or scummy.

Dunn sounds villagery to me and I’m not liking your strong push on him.

I didn’t agree with Moment about the whole buddying thing but you’re pushing people I think are probably town. It just seems too agressive to me how hard you’re pushing Dunn wagon. His whole interaction with you sounds very villagery, yet you continue pushing him.