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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:42 am
by Krazy
In post 668, Ankamius wrote:Ftr going by final 3 pairings isn't the best idea since scum can just force one of those three to leave at intermission
That is exactly what will happen which is why we also talk about the 4th pairing.
Like, here's kinda the way this works when we get more into detail:
The top FOUR townreads -- the players we actually are counting on to be town to win the game
the THIRD pair of townreads -- must contain at most one scum
the FOURTH pair of townreads -- must contain at most one scum
this is why "heavy chainsaw" pairings for 3 and 4 can sometimes be okay. We can have one scum in the final four, so long as we are sure that the total numbers aren't too bad in the final 4 that town is ever outnumbered
but these sort of meta-strategy decisions are only viable when reads are actually solid which they will not be and should not be until some of our MIA slots (Reinhardt) post at least some and our reads of the active, solid townreads solidifies
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:43 am
by Krazy
In post 673, Slaxx wrote:Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people,
Yeah but I also explained this is what I was doing, so why were you acting like someone who basically said "I'm not really playing yet" was a "strong scumread"?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:44 am
by Allomancer
Starting to null-read Krazy. Setup speccing is still NAI, but not as clear scum as before.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:44 am
by Krazy
In post 674, Allomancer wrote:See here's the dilemma. We want to pack scum together so we can lynch two scum at the same time. But if we pack scum together, we also pack town together, which means scum can kill two town at the same town. Ideal system is scum/scum and town/null
the packing of scum and town literally doesn't matter in the bottom 5 pairings, only in the top 3 (and kinda 4)
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:45 am
by Ankamius
In post 673, Slaxx wrote: In post 658, Krazy wrote:
Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?
Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.
It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself
You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are
What is Krazys plan here as scum?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:45 am
by Slaxx
In post 677, Allomancer wrote:Starting to null-read Krazy. Setup speccing is still NAI, but not as clear scum as before.
Yeah he’s more town now that he’s actually contributing but Christ how could anyone not look at the first 80% of the ISO and scumread it? The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:47 am
by Ankamius
In post 680, Slaxx wrote: In post 677, Allomancer wrote:Starting to null-read Krazy. Setup speccing is still NAI, but not as clear scum as before.
Yeah he’s more town now that he’s actually contributing but Christ how could anyone not look at the first 80% of the ISO and scumread it? The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.
Me, because I do similar stuff as town sometimes
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:47 am
by Slaxx
In post 679, Ankamius wrote: In post 673, Slaxx wrote: In post 658, Krazy wrote:
Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?
Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.
It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself
You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are
What is Krazys plan here as scum?
Coast into mid game while looking busy while hopefully setting up favorable pairs for the scumteam with an opaque list.
Do I believe that as much now that’s he’s actually solving? No, not as much.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:49 am
by Slaxx
Like he literally said “maybe it’s because I haven’t started solving” or whatever, like okay, if you have to make that caveat known maybe my read was justified?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:49 am
by the worst
In post 677, Allomancer wrote:Starting to null-read Krazy. Setup speccing is still NAI, but not as clear scum as before.
I was thinking about him last night and I'm starting to abstractly townread him
need to catch up, will flip a coin about whether or not to read everything tbh
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:50 am
by Krazy
In post 680, Slaxx wrote:The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.
While moving you from #2 to #3 is actually significant, I do still have you in the top 4 lol
Bear in mind that absolutely anyone that is considered for the top 4 will undergo much more scrutiny than anyone else
Like I kinda don't care about tw/firebringer since they never are in the final 4, I highly doubt Clem/PB makes final 4 so I don't care there, but whether a townread player like you is at 2, 3, or 4 is way more significant.
but me saying I have concerns is not me saying I scumread you right now
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:50 am
by Allomancer
In post 682, Slaxx wrote: In post 679, Ankamius wrote: In post 673, Slaxx wrote: In post 658, Krazy wrote:
Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?
Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.
It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself
You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are
What is Krazys plan here as scum?
Coast into mid game while looking busy while hopefully setting up favorable pairs for the scumteam with an opaque list.
Do I believe that as much now that’s he’s actually solving? No, not as much.
I don't think the list is opaque at all. Early on it was, but now there is clear logic behind it and I agree with it for the most part.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:50 am
by the worst
Nancy posted - is she town?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:51 am
by Ankamius
I think Krazy has too much BoP for that to work so brazenly in the first place, Slaxx
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:51 am
by Ankamius
Idk I kinda think so duckling
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:51 am
by Krazy
In post 684, the worst wrote:need to catch up, will flip a coin about whether or not to read everything tbh
Nancy is town.
There, now you don't have to read pages 20-24.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:51 am
by Slaxx
In post 676, Krazy wrote: In post 673, Slaxx wrote:Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people,
Yeah but I also explained this is what I was doing, so why were you acting like someone who basically said "I'm not really playing yet" was a "strong scumread"?
I just looked for use of strong in my ISO and couldn’t find it.
I believe what I said was “relatively confident”
Do
not
put something like that in quotes if I didn’t say it. That’s just shitty play regardless of your alignment.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:52 am
by the worst
I flipped poorly. I have some reading to do later.
I'm gonna try to reconcile my reads from yday rq
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:52 am
by Slaxx
In post 686, Allomancer wrote: In post 682, Slaxx wrote: In post 679, Ankamius wrote: In post 673, Slaxx wrote: In post 658, Krazy wrote:
Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?
Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.
It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself
You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are
What is Krazys plan here as scum?
Coast into mid game while looking busy while hopefully setting up favorable pairs for the scumteam with an opaque list.
Do I believe that as much now that’s he’s actually solving? No, not as much.
I don't think the list is opaque at all. Early on it was, but now there is clear logic behind it and I agree with it for the most part.
Which is what I said? I said I don’t buy that theory as much now.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:53 am
by Allomancer
I would cycle Adelbert, Pvt, and Krazy now
4: Krazy -- jibril
5: Pvt -- Dunnstral
6: Adelbert Steiner -- Alisae
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:54 am
by Allomancer
Every time Ankamius posts she becomes a little less towny in my eyes recently. This will need further consideration.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:54 am
by Slaxx
In post 688, Ankamius wrote:I think Krazy has too much BoP for that to work so brazenly in the first place, Slaxx
BoP?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:54 am
by the worst
In post 695, Allomancer wrote:Every time Ankamius posts she becomes a little less towny in my eyes recently. This will need further consideration.
Talk to me about what's got you worried wrt Ank?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:55 am
by Krazy
In post 695, Allomancer wrote:Every time Ankamius posts she becomes a little less towny in my eyes recently. This will need further consideration.
There will come a time when whether Ank or Celica should be #2 or #3 will be one of the defining questions of this game, but I'm not ready for that debate yet
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:55 am
by Slaxx
In post 685, Krazy wrote: In post 680, Slaxx wrote:The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.
While moving you from #2 to #3 is actually significant, I do still have you in the top 4 lol
Bear in mind that absolutely anyone that is considered for the top 4 will undergo much more scrutiny than anyone else
Like I kinda don't care about tw/firebringer since they never are in the final 4, I highly doubt Clem/PB makes final 4 so I don't care there, but whether a townread player like you is at 2, 3, or 4 is way more significant.
but me saying I have concerns is not me saying I scumread you right now
I’m not worried about my slot on your list
I’m worried about why someone with no content is at the top