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In post 666, northsidegal wrote:You shouldn't need to listen to RC to see that I'm town.

I strongly agree with this statement. I hope that I warm up and see you as town as well independent of RC and TGP

Insomnia, I have some completely honest advice for you if you're town. This isn't an attempt to be condescending or to talk down to you – it's literally just advice that I think is very valuable for newer players, and advice that I would have appreciated as a newbie.


This kind of confidence:

In post 612, insomnia wrote:Remember RC not touching on my case made on him and how he suddenly caught power when he heard we're dayvigging me. NSG and RC, might as well rep out after I flip

is not warranted. I would say that there are situations in which that kind of confidence is warranted.

Speaking generally here and not even commenting on anything specific about this game, there's nothing wrong with wrong, but when you let it derail a game, it becomes a problem. Like, (again, speaking generally) someone could be an amazing town player even if their reads weren't very good at all simply by having the self-awareness to recognize when they're wrong, and the humility to admit when they are wrong.

On a personal level, I can tell you that the more confidently I push something, the more crushing it becomes if I'm wrong. It's not a good feeling. On another level, the more arrogantly you push something, the more people will remember it and lord it over you if you are wrong. It's not "better" to be right if you've pushed something arrogantly as opposed to with the recognition that, as always, you could be wrong. In contrast, it worse, in many people's eyes, to be wrong when you've pushed something arrogantly.

In post 675, DrDolittle wrote:

In post 666, northsidegal wrote:You shouldn't need to listen to RC to see that I'm town.

I strongly agree with this statement. I hope that I warm up and see you as town as well independent of RC and TGP

what your own thoughts on me?

I don't see anything in your posts that screams yes nsg is town to me. one point for you is that you are in fact posting which you don't do as scum

In post 676, northsidegal wrote:Insomnia, I have some completely honest advice for you if you're town. This isn't an attempt to be condescending or to talk down to you – it's literally just advice that I think is very valuable for newer players, and advice that I would have appreciated as a newbie.


This kind of confidence:

In post 612, insomnia wrote:Remember RC not touching on my case made on him and how he suddenly caught power when he heard we're dayvigging me. NSG and RC, might as well rep out after I flip

is not warranted. I would say that there are

very few

situations

ever

in which that kind of confidence is warranted.

Speaking generally here and not even commenting on anything specific about this game, there's nothing wrong with

being

wrong, but when you let it derail a game, it becomes a problem. Like, (again, speaking generally) someone could be an amazing town player even if their reads weren't very good at all simply by having the self-awareness to recognize when they're wrong, and the humility to admit when they are wrong.

On a personal level, I can tell you that the more confidently I push something, the more crushing it becomes if I'm wrong. It's not a good feeling. On another level, the more arrogantly you push something, the more people will remember it and lord it over you if you are wrong. It's not "better" to be right if you've pushed something arrogantly as opposed to with the recognition that, as always, you could be wrong. In contrast, it

is

worse, in many people's eyes, to be wrong when you've pushed something arrogantly.

Ok, ignore my push on RC. Why shouldn't we respect the plan that I've provided?

Is it a bad plan? If so, what's bad about it?

If you say my plan is good, then why does RC not want to respect it?

Insomnia, I find it very hard to believe that you actually believe the things that you're saying. Especially for these quotes:

In post 656, insomnia wrote:He has a date under his profile, says he joined since 2013? Call it a wild guess

In post 673, insomnia wrote:I'm trying to provide you with a decent strategy, why are you calling my town game trash? It's the best strategy we have and it is infallible.

Just because someone has a 2013 join date, that makes them "the strongest scum player in the lobby"? Why are you lying about your knowledge of RC?

Do you honestly believe that your strategy is infallible? Genuinely?

I'm actually pretty interested in sitting on this as well - it's not that different from my plan in 314 before it was shot down.

Note insomnia going back to trying to be all and respectable and whatever as soon as people started to give him the time of day again

I said, ignore my push on RC and focus on the plan. The plan was why I pushed RC. He didn't want to stick with it, when it made perfect sense for me. And it should make sense for you as well. Except the both of you are avoiding it and trying to explain where I'm wrong, which makes me even more paranoid about your roles. So how about you try and talk with me and let's improve my plan or provide a solid alternative that minimalizes the margin of error.

I have info that others don't. He is scum. Pls dayvig

but note this updated plan is very different from the originial shoot rc send nsg and heavily dependent on rc pushing a second person strongly into AP

In post 682, RadiantCowbells wrote:Note insomnia going back to trying to be all

reasonable

and respectable and whatever as soon as people started to give him the time of day again

Stop this. If I'm getting dayvigged and I flip town and you are town, this won't come in handy for you. My case + you still picking on me will bite you hard. Just stop it and work with me, not against me. Scum me won't ever take a gamble like that in which the risk is way higher than the reward. Come to your senses. I'm speaking with NSG now.

In post 679, insomnia wrote:Ok, ignore my push on RC. Why shouldn't we respect the plan that I've provided?

Is it a bad plan? If so, what's bad about it?

If you say my plan is good, then why does RC not want to respect it?

666

I've already told you. Whether or not RC is town has no bearing on my alignment – if you want the opinion of someone else who knows me / can read me fairly well, ask GL – my team mafia teammate – who is also townreading me.

I currently townread RC, so all your plan seems to do is get a townie shot. Consider this – if, day 2, we're sending a consensus townread regardless, then why bother shooting RC day 2 as opposed to, say, just seeing his alignment if necessary after everyone flips? Like, there seems to be the assumption here that Day 2 we're sending someone specifically of RC's choice whom nobody else has any thoughts on and the only way to read that person is to shoot RC... for some reason.

Whatever happened to just sending a consensus townread?

I don't like 680 imo. it doesn't answer a very valid question.

its not infalliable. otherwise fg is a terrible game designer which he is not. but I can see it being a genuinely thought out strategy

In post 684, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have info that others don't. He is scum. Pls dayvig

Keep posting shit like this and when I get dayvigged, your reads won't have any weight to them.

what do you mean "it doesn't answer a very valid question"?

In post 687, northsidegal wrote:Whatever happened to just sending a consensus townread?

That's the ideal case right? Let's send 3 consensus townies. But insomnia is clearly talking about what happens when there's a difference in opinion.

Now for example, if instead DDL pushes a AP guy instead of RC in day 2, I still think DDL should be shot to support that the push is in good faith

In post 687, northsidegal wrote:

In post 679, insomnia wrote:Ok, ignore my push on RC. Why shouldn't we respect the plan that I've provided?

Is it a bad plan? If so, what's bad about it?

If you say my plan is good, then why does RC not want to respect it?

666

I've already told you. Whether or not RC is town has no bearing on my alignment – if you want the opinion of someone else who knows me / can read me fairly well, ask GL – my team mafia teammate – who is also townreading me.

I currently townread RC, so all your plan seems to do is get a townie shot. Consider this – if, day 2, we're sending a consensus townread regardless, then why bother shooting RC day 2 as opposed to, say, just seeing his alignment if necessary after everyone flips? Like, there seems to be the assumption here that Day 2 we're sending someone specifically of RC's choice whom nobody else has any thoughts on and the only way to read that person is to shoot RC... for some reason.

Whatever happened to just sending a consensus townread?

You're assuming the position of scum. Why do that as town?

Again, to clear any confusion. We send NSG today. RC pushes a second person. When that person is at L-2, RC gets dayvigged and it proves his read on NSG was pure and his push on the second target for AP as well. We have 2 towns in and then lynch the third if it comes to LyLo.

680 doesn't answer why the plan is bad. 687 answers it... kind of tangentially

Ddl if you had to choose one person as a rep, and this rep is the person that got to choose who they wanted to be in the AP. Who would you choose?

I'd extend that question to insomnia as well.

wonder if we should send RC and insomnia and let them duke it out in lylo lol. the game would then clear itself if both were town. I don't think both are scum

i actually leantown on insomnia after this exchange.

Yeah, I have to admit, I don't like the answer. 687 feels like I told you to read a different plan than the one I want your opinion on.

In post 692, insomnia wrote:You're assuming the position of scum. Why do that as town?

I'm not sure what you mean by "assuming the position of scum.

Again, to clear any confusion. We send NSG today. RC pushes a second person. When that person is at L-2, RC gets dayvigged and it proves his read on NSG was pure and his push on the second target for AP as well. We have 2 towns in and then lynch the third if it comes to LyLo.

Yes, I understand your plan... there's no reason to repeat it. I've already told you my thoughts on it.

In post 693, DrDolittle wrote:680 doesn't answer why the plan is bad. 687 answers it... kind of tangentially

I already answered his question regarding the plan in 666. (he asked me about it again afterwards anyways)

In post 694, RCEnigma wrote:Ddl if you had to choose one person as a rep, and this rep is the person that got to choose who they wanted to be in the AP. Who would you choose?

rep?