{Urap, TW, Ceejay} isn't something I'll be needing to explain. Don't lynch within these three.
So here's my goal for today; either get flipped and manage to prevent DENMON's lynch D3, or convince a lynch on my scumreads. The latter probably isn't gonna happen, so I'll start from the former.
Here's DENMON's readlist interpretted from #324, #362 and #458
Ok, this is probably going to look pretty suspicious cause I'm kind of going to be changing my behavior. I'm honestly not liking the way I am playing myself, since I am normally pretty aggressive and attempt to vote out the people that I really want to be lynched. I guess cause I'm not used to the environment, I'm playing a bit more cautiously. I'm also going to be restarting my thinking completely because I actually took the time to reread most stuff since I am doubting my reasoning more than I am actually supporting them.
HERE ARE MY READS:
In general, I reminded myself that the reds want to lay low so they don't get voted out. This doesn't mean that they are posting less, but that they are making too many agreeable posts.
Lavender - Maybe Green - I'm getting a pretty green vibe from Lavender's posts. Plus Lavender got a good amount of votes and suspicion at one point, but there wasn't really anyone defending him. I would think that someone, even if that person would be green, would say something. I also agree with his suspicion on Marcus325 in that the reasoning is valid.
Marcus325 - Eh - Like I said above, I agree with Lavender on his suspicion. Now it is just a matter of deciding if it means he is red or not. I think by process of elimination, it isn't too far off of a guess.
DENMON - Very green
Ryno56 - Green - I think he is too aggressive to be a red. His attack on Lavender would gather a lot of attention, which is something a red would not like to have.
Godmid - Green - He is very determined in trying to convince others that u r a person 2 and the worst is red, and I think if he was red, he would be a bit less determined, you know?
PvtUrist - Maybe Green - I like how he made a list like this and gave his thoughts on it which is a reason why I think he is probably a green. The issue is that there wasn't actually much thought. He listed what alignment people were on, but didn't give much thought to say why. I would think that maybe he would put a little more effort as a green.
Shoshin - Maybe Green? - I would think if he was red, he would be a bit more active. He said "oh the reds are so obvious, do you see it" (not a direct quote, didn't bother to find it). This is bit of a careless move to say then just leave it for people to question. Red would probably want to be more careful.
the worst - Maybe Green - After I reread everything, I think he is a bit too active to be red. I've made some posts against the worst but now that I reread everything, I'm having my doubts. Actually I'm kinda regret posting it, as my reasoning seems a bit silly. Normally when I start doubting stuff, it means I am attacking a green. So I'm just going to go with my gut and say the worst is maybe green.
u r a person 2 - Eh - He seems off. I think what is happening is that u r a person 2 is using the worst to make all his defenses and reads for him, then not really give much thought to us until the worst asks him a question. Something isn't sitting well with me here, even if he is giving good replies like with what he said about Lavender. Because of this, I think he is actually trying to lay low, and he is doing well.
I think Marcus 325 is a good choice, but u r a person 2 is a better choice.
I know shifty behavior - red alarms. Vote me out if you have to, but I'm actually kind of confident on this, which I never was since I joined
VOTE: u r a person 2
Spoiler: 362
In post 362, DENMON wrote:Huh, the reasoning given by u r a person 2 is actually pretty good. I'm questioning my read on him because of this...
Spoiler: 458
In post 458, DENMON wrote:Ok sorry I was gone yesterday. I don't think u r a person 2 is red anymore because he put a lot more effort into lynching Godmid than I thought he would. Usually reds don't like to start bandwagons unless under certain circumstances. However, I don't actually like the reasoning used to call Godmid scum. He is just picking phrases that can seem scummy, but honestly I can do that for anybody and make a case for it. I can see a green saying the stuff that Godmid said that u r a person 2 is saying is suspicious. The reasoning is pretty weak, and we need to focus on the people that are voting, and why they are voting for the best information.
I didn't like Marcus325 cause there was no reason for me to say he was green, so by process of elimination he should be red. Then teacher replaced him and I still don't like him. If Godmid and I are green, then I just see him as joining a bandwagon and wanting a lynch to occur, which is pretty red. Also I have a reason for everybody else for being green, but my thinking for Shoshin is probably the weakest. I originally thought that he would be more active in the lynchings if he was red. So my team is teacher and Shoshin.
VOTE: teacher
Oh there is like 3 votes on me now. I'm vanilla and honestly the votes are fair. I'm not playing too well. The problem I'm having is that this site has 10 days for day 1. This is far too long for a day that had basically no information. So when I'm stuck, I usually just post for the sake of posting and I don't think too much about it. Can I survive this day and try to redeem myself on day 2? Once I have information to work with, I can actually throw some solid accusations using the votes from day 1.
DENMON and I have had very similar reads throughout the game so far, and hopefully my flip would clear his. His D1 case against TW and Urap were bad, but I believe their motives came from more town than scum. Other than lack of experience, activity, and charisma, I do not see where DENMON comes across as scum-alligned.
I apologize if I've missed it, but why do people scumread DENMON, other than from PoE?
Will talk about Ryno and Teacher next.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:31 pm
by PvtUrist
I would love if everyone could take a bit of time to recase Ryno. I'll pick out where some of his posts have pinged me as scum or with scum-agenda, and offer a few questions at the end of this post.
In post 116, Ryno56 wrote:Gut feeling is gut feeling, unfortunately. Maybe it's the way they seem too eager to please.
First ping. RVS vote on Lavender is fine by itself, but the language used here felt slightly forced.
In post 118, Lavender wrote:Godmid, The reason why I don’t seem like I’m actively scum-hunting, is because I do not want to make someone stray from a correct read with my unsure reads.
And Ryno, My eager to please thing you have of me, is it because of my answering questions? If so I am simply trying to be helpful. If not and it’s something else like my reads, then you can make an assumption that I want to please. If it’s neither of those then can you tell me what made you think that of me?
It might be that you genuinely want to help, but I get the feeling that you want to seem like you want to help.
Ok, but can you to tell me where you get this feeling from? Of how I want to seem like I’m helping?
I can't tell you without potentially helping you, SCUM!
I suppose the allignment of this post depends on how one may interpret it. Personally, it felt fake, moreso after Lavender's town flip.
In post 476, Ryno56 wrote:Scum - Godmid and Teacher (based on everyone else's reads, which make sense)
Suspicious - Lavender (too defensive, not proactive) and Shoshin (too unhelpful when we arent talking about him)
Town - all others
'The problem I'm having is that this site has 10 days for day 1. This is far too long for a day that had basically no information.'
I relate, 10 days seems much too excessive. I'm from Survivor ORGs which have 24 hours for voting. Maybe I'll start enjoying this more as things move forward.
Scumread on Godmid and Teacher, "based on everyone else's reads"? What is meant by "everyone else's reads" in this case? Again, vague shade on shosho.
Explain what made TW suspective? Atleast the shade on shosho is consistent.
@Ryno, what's your current readlist? Why do you suspect TW and Ceejay? Thoughts on DENMON and myself? Why have Teacher as scum in #476? Don't need to answer all of them, just the first two would be greatly appreciated.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:50 pm
by PvtUrist
Here goes nothing.
I believe that Teacher has charmed town with his confident activity and charisma
, and that I'll be lynched (teehee) for speaking heresy.
Starting with Marcus's D1 preflip readlist based on #289, I'd love to know how people read and feel about his ISO, if it were completely unrelated to Teacher.
{TW,
Lavender
} town
{Shosho, Urap, Ryno} lean-town
{
Godmid
, DENMON, Urist} null
This readlist's a bit too fence-sitty for my liking. Marcus attacked Urap for the majority of D1, then switched onto Godmid near the deadline. This isn't scum indicative by default, but realise that it allowed Marcus to fly under the radar while town was distracted with Godmid, until Teacher replaced in.
In regards to my lameass post of #460, it described what I feel about Teacher's slot well. Town's townreads on Teacher isn't because he's actually sorting or benefitting town, but because he's active and charasmatic. I don't believe I have what it takes to personally disprove him, both in direct argument and evidence, so I'll let my flip and theory do the talking.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:59 pm
by u r a person 2
Wanna know how to get me on board with a ryno lynch, Urist?
Town case TW
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:02 pm
by u r a person 2
also denmon
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:03 pm
by u r a person 2
In post 677, PvtUrist wrote:DENMON and I have had very similar reads throughout the game so far, and hopefully my flip would clear his. His D1 case against TW and Urap were bad, but I believe their motives came from more town than scum. Other than lack of experience, activity, and charisma, I do not see where DENMON comes across as scum-alligned.
specifically, I would like to see where and why you believe their motives come from a town mindset.
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:04 pm
by u r a person 2
and if you get through all that, pick me up a large cup of cookie dough ice cream
then i'll vote Ryno with you
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:31 pm
by Ryno56
No, I'm reading teacher as town right now. I will respond to this later but I'm out atm
Urist you don't seem like you're enjoying being here much
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:30 am
by teacher
VOTE: denmon
Urists plea, though mistaken, strikes me as legit feelings, especially after retreading him overnight.
Denmon hasn’t been on site for a full week. I’m convinced that one wagon was on scum; and that he went to me because his partner was on Godmid.
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:33 am
by teacher
In post 648, teacher wrote:@ryno, I find your enthusiasm to be present at daybreak disconcerting given your malaise yesterday. Can you analyze the wagon and nk
If you’re around and working on stuff.
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:35 am
by the worst
VOTE: DENMON don't disagree in the slightest
on the fence abt urist because he legit sounds like he's having an awful time posting
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:36 am
by the worst
PoE will do that though
it's not a hard towntell
Ryno if you're town please post exactly what's on your mind and full lucid thoughts
I'm in two camps. Either you're town with really interesting takes, or scum making stuff up and seeing what sticks.