Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[LuckyLuciano]

Although I understand the wagon on me for pressure, is there anything specific you guys want to hear my take on?

How do you feel about the concept of intrinsic value?

[LuckyLuciano]

Oh, double post. Sorry.

You apologize for double posting by posting for a third time in a row?

[LuckyLuciano]

UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: InWho22

Half a prod dodge because it's clear that this day is being driven by tunneling and I don't want to be a part of it. Half because 3 players have been given a free pass to do nothing because this day is being driven by tunneling. Cya guys again in another 24 hours, or day two.

Is there a reason you waited to vote InWho until Humane pushed you?

I dunno man. My last post before that was around 3:40 in the afternoon the day prior, and my vote change was at 8am the following day. It definitely wasn't because I slept on it, and was 100% because I would rather appease a player making a weak push that will never actually lead to my lynch anyway.

Misinterpreting what I say and do this consistently (100% success rate so far), is starting to look a lot like bad faith.

Still resonates.

[LuckyLuciano]

Did you read it because HEM was in it, or was that a coincidence?

Coincidence, read it more than a week ago

It was a really good game. I thought so when I read it myself. Acidphoenix catching Ataraxia day two was clutch. I think the town would have won if they listened to him.

So, this never actually happened in the game. I'm kinda interested in why Monkey never reacted to my complete lie about what happened in a game he played.

[Kirari Momobami]

Are you ready to be masons now lucky? :3

You broke my streak you sack of pickles.

Were you trying to quote post the entire game or are you just trying to channel your inner nancy?

[LuckyLuciano]

Do you think 3 even wagons at 2-votes each applies more pressure, or pushing one of the 2-vote wagons to 3-votes?

Is this related to a specific scenario in this game, or? If so please remind me. But in general: a wagon with 3 votes on it for sure pressures that player more, whilst an even 2-2-2 lets the voted players feel more confident they can throw off the suspicion if they are scum.

In 17 you evened out the wagons to 2-2-2, even stating that it was intentional, instead of pushing a wagon to 3 votes. Am I misreading?

I had to sit down with a pen for a moment there but I finally see it.

As far as I remembered, the math was different and I put it from 1-1-2 to 1-2-2.

Sorry for that. As I remember there was only a single wagon at 2 and that was the Holden one, which you had just hopped off. I didn't want to hop on the Holden wagon as posts often appear before I submit and I didn't want a T-1.
If my math is off once again please correct.

If InWho is mafia this is a really skilled way to answer my question.

[LuckyLuciano]

Follow-up, I think I take that to mean InWho gets town points.

[Kirari Momobami]

On a more serious note, this is a newbie game. I think perhaps in the future you should reconsider playing in these. Your style isn't a good introduction to mafia for brand new players. I think newbie games should be played in a manner that allows new players to understand what's going on and become acquainted with the game. Bad SE.

I like how you follow up on this critique for some normal memeing by spam posting three consecutive pages

[LuckyLuciano]

For future reference, if a post appears before you submit, it will pop up at the top of your screen and you can adjust, so you won't accidentally put someone at L-1 that way.

Thanks, didn't know that.

Out of curiosity, if you were AcidPhoenix in 1812, how would you have played differently to get town to lynch Ataraxia? Acid caught him, but was unable to convince the town and eventually town lost without lynching him.

The game is not too clear in my memory right now. Is this important to you that I answer? I'll gladly skim a bit of it, but it doesn't seem immediately relevant to this game.

I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about this. I'm not quite understanding what made InWho scroll back a page and randomly pick that particular game that Monkey was in to read, and I kinda expect a player who has done as much pre-game prep as InWho claims to have done to, I dunno, look more eager? I'll take my tinfoil hat off now.

[LuckyLuciano]

On a more serious note, this is a newbie game. I think perhaps in the future you should reconsider playing in these. Your style isn't a good introduction to mafia for brand new players. I think newbie games should be played in a manner that allows new players to understand what's going on and become acquainted with the game. Bad SE.

I like how you follow up on this critique for some normal memeing by spam posting three consecutive pages

I like how intentionally muddying the waters is the same as stream of consciousness posting. Could you elaborate on how spam posting three consecutive pages is bad for new players?

[LuckyLuciano]

@InWho22, no, it's not too important. Could you, however, without looking back and as quickly as possible tell me what moment in that game you remember most clearly?

Alright. Just off the top of my head I remember when wheme flipped town, I was very confused. And also the 3(?) times the town players voted randomly in LyLo.

I should probably go back and look at the context surrounding the Wheme flip. It feels like these two things are easy to pick out by just going to the day starts are looking at what people said. It took 10 minutes for InWho to respond here. Not sure if it's worth digging into this line of reasoning, but I'm having a hard time getting into InWho's head and I don't like that.

[LuckyLuciano]

Cool. Last question on that game, is what made you pick that game in particular to read?

Didn't really pick it, just clicked a random link on the wiki list of newb games.

Somebody remind me to look at the wiki list of newb games. Or somebody do it for me since y'all aren't posting or moving the game forward, or doing anything else to entertain me.

[LuckyLuciano]

Yeah, I concur.

UNVOTE: InWho22
VOTE: Peaches. Hi.

I lied.

[LuckyLuciano]

Yeah, I concur.

UNVOTE: InWho22
VOTE: Peaches. Hi.

my only regret was you didn't come out as town there. but just do your thing!

Like I said, I'm never going to come out as town for Monkey, and that's exactly his angle.

[LuckyLuciano]

You want to do something other than be wrong about me all game so I can townclear you as well? Y'know, with the whole being wrong=null thing.

you dropped my wagon and pursued inwho22. i assume you did this because you think im town. am i wrong?

Correct.

[LuckyLuciano]

Why didn't anybody tell me earlier that clicking is faster than typing lol when I'm reacting to posts?

[LuckyLuciano]

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this is why you're scum Lucky

For being annoyed that you're either bad town hardtunneling me or scum hardtunneling me?

[LuckyLuciano]

Why do you think I'm town based on talking about an unrelated game?

Gut. I gave you a few opportunities to slip if you were scum and none of them happened.

But none of my apprehensions were calmed.

[LuckyLuciano]

Your turn Aloratom

@InWho: Your answers came across as natural and unforced. You get starter Townie points for that.

Could you look back at that line of questioning and give an example of what an artificial and/or forced answer would look like?

[LuckyLuciano]

@InWho22

Okay I answered this before as scum (my previous game with Holden), but this is how I figure out if someone is town vs scum: organic behavior and town motivation vs inorganic behavior and wolfy motivation.

It's all tonal. It's not a final read, but it's my best tool to use on day 1.

Organic behavior refers to actions: your actions need to come from a real, natural place. Same as what Aloratom was saying. No leaps of logic were made. No fabrications. No forcing. Even if you make mistakes, just as long as they're coming from an understandable place. Contrast, inorganic behavior where leaps of logic were made to justify a vote. Reads are fabricated and forced. They make mistakes like this because they have to fake not having information, fake scumhunting, fake everything.

Town motivation refers to reasons: your point of view should reflect someone who has no information, no agenda other than to figure out who could be scum. This means you'll have paranoia, self-preservation, concern for the town win condition, etc.

You can fake these, but it's very hard.

Townhunting is as good as scumhunting, because you can use the process of elimination to move on to other people who can be scum.

So do I think you're town? You're probably town. Do I think you're scum? Right now, I think there are other people who could be more scum than you are.

Can you go back to the line of questioning towards InWho22 and directly apply these standards to his end of the interaction? Can you directly apply them to my end? I want you to show your work for once. Thanks.

[LuckyLuciano]

Now scan the thread and tell me who you think is town or scum based on these guidelines.

If Monkey is scum, I think InWho is town. This feels manipulative.

[LuckyLuciano]

Now scan the thread and tell me who you think is town or scum based on these guidelines.

Good idea, I will return in some amount of time.

This sounds like something a messenger says to his king before spending a fortnight traveling to a far-off land in order to inquire about the status of the serf's rebellion against their liege.

[LuckyLuciano]

LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?

Side question,

What gave you the idea that was SVS over something like TvS?

Seemed like distancing. There was also something thrown in there about how scum would never vote eachother in that scenario, and they were voting eachother.

After their recent 1v1 has your read changed?

Yeah, that is too much to be acting imo.

What posts in particular are you referring to?

[LuckyLuciano]

I feel like thinking 'what if the person reading the game the same way as me is scum' is just about the least efficient way to play day 1

This is sound like "best practical play". Would you teach me more about this (For all SE) ? I get the point it might be not efficient, but following someone / being followed bring up a lot of paranoia. If this is not allowed to discussed, remind me when the game's end.

I kinda like Yooh.

[Kirari Momobami]

I like how intentionally muddying the waters is the same as stream of consciousness posting. Could you elaborate on how spam posting three consecutive pages is bad for new players?

I don't know, we'll have to see what they say I suppose :3

I'll say it's not generally a very popular practice, though.