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Does there need to be more?

2 is an oversimplification don't you think? You're painting it as mere OMGUS for scum reading me when I feel like it's because the push on me is disingenuous

In post 662, Iconeum wrote:Datisi it's time for you to show some colour and be a little more straightforward with your view on this game

got any juice?

do you think i'm not? that i'm hiding something?

i think i've been very straighforward this game but i don't think i have The Juice

- i think QQ is town both because of their posts and because of The Gamestate(tm)
- by play i think all of euph/oka/ico are town
- drew has Deepwolf Potental but i have absolutely nothing to base that on other than paranoia
- i was thinking scum is in pepper/kanna/aldus but i'm getting less sure of aldus, kanna can kinda still be it i guess but i don't exactly know how to read her, pepper is being reactive and is i think still my best bet for scum but

this game Feels Very Wrong
you know how in a dream when you try to run and you feel 10 times heavier and you're barely moving
that's how this game feels
it's not Moving as it Should Be and i don't know what to make of it

pedit: holy fuck yall are busy

In post 674, Iconeum wrote:

In post 671, DoctorPepper wrote:1. I'm saying I want to reevaluate my read because I admit it's weird for me to scum read you and town read dats even if you are functionally the same with your interactions with me
2. I say it's weird that you claim your reads are evolving when you're just switching around the position of scum in your reads

How have your reads evolved this game?

You are literally quoting a post that has me wanting to reevaluate a read because I can't scum read a player and town read another for acting the same way

In post 676, DoctorPepper wrote:Does there need to be more?

2 is an oversimplification don't you think? You're painting it as mere OMGUS for scum reading me when I feel like it's because the push on me is disingenuous

you haven't changed any of your scum- nor your townreads

yet you push me on exactly that

In post 678, DoctorPepper wrote:

In post 674, Iconeum wrote:

In post 671, DoctorPepper wrote:1. I'm saying I want to reevaluate my read because I admit it's weird for me to scum read you and town read dats even if you are functionally the same with your interactions with me
2. I say it's weird that you claim your reads are evolving when you're just switching around the position of scum in your reads

How have your reads evolved this game?

You are literally quoting a post that has me wanting to reevaluate a read because I can't scum read a player and town read another for acting the same way

wanting to do something and actually doing them are 2 very different things

Well I got bored at work so here we are

I wanted to see why I'm town reading dats but scum reading Ico for having the same game

So I was gonna see a QQ lynch.

But since you wanna do this, I think only a flip will answer your question, be it from Ico or from me

In post 676, DoctorPepper wrote:Does there need to be more?

2 is an oversimplification don't you think? You're painting it as mere OMGUS for scum reading me when I feel like it's because the push on me is disingenuous

so you admit this?

it's literally me not having changed my townreads and OMGUS for the case on you

the line between thinking it's a fake push and OMGUS is silky thin

but calls my push on him disingenious

that's actually hilarious

In post 681, DoctorPepper wrote:I wanted to see why I'm town reading dats but scum reading Ico for having the same game

So I was gonna see a QQ lynch.

how does the first sentence follow to the second?

Pepper aside from 'wanting to change your reads', have you actually done so over the course of this game?

Because you are pushing me for not having done so, while I actually have. And you are the one who didn't.

I wanted to but you voted for me for voting for QQ, hence maybe I wouldn't have to and just see the flip from you to get an answer, or for you to see mine to get yours

P-Edit: I wanted to move on to another issue first because the discussion Ico and I are having are just gonna confirm whatever biases we already have on each other and then I could see if my read on either of you was wrong.

Let's admit it, this 5 page discussion we have had has done nothing but solidified our unchanging positions on each other.

Iconeum (3): Kanna, Alduskkel, DoctorPepper

I can literally reek the scum being on my wagon, just not exactly sure which one it is

In post 685, Iconeum wrote:Pepper aside from 'wanting to change your reads', have you actually done so over the course of this game?

Because you are pushing me for not having done so, while I actually have. And you are the one who didn't.

Keep insisting that you've changed your reads but I still think you're shuffling them around.

I wanna try to get something of QQ or at least understand why I read you and Dats differently. But maybe we can't get to do that because we keep devolving into this argument that leads to nowhere

In post 686, DoctorPepper wrote:P-Edit: I wanted to move on to another issue first because the discussion Ico and I are having are just gonna confirm whatever biases we already have on each other and

then I could see if my read on either of you was wrong.

can you elaborate on this please? how were you planning to see that?

In post 686, DoctorPepper wrote:Let's admit it, this 5 page discussion we have had has done nothing but solidified our unchanging positions on each other.

believe it or not, i've actualy bothered to try and sort you this game
i actually tried to see town!you here

you are the one who has refused to work with me and re-evaluate on every step of the way

Ico: 'votes Pepper and pushes'
Pepper: 'ico is scum'
Ico: 'unvotes Pepper pushes Aldus says pepper might be town'
Pepper: 'yeah ico is scum because his reads aren't changing'

i think this is actually pretty accurate

1. Pushing somewhere else to remove an associative (i.e. I think QQ and Ico are scum but I don't think they are scum together).
2. Moving away from discussing with Ico because the discussion had turned out to just be us conf biasing all over the place.

I want to try to understand why my reads on you both are different and I can't do that if I keep engaging Ico because at this point we are both convinced that the other is scum and neither of us seem to be backing down. Our engagement is no longer adding to a good discussion

In post 688, DoctorPepper wrote:I wanna try to get something of QQ or at least understand why I read you and Dats differently. But maybe we can't get to do that because we keep devolving into this argument that leads to nowhere

I know exactly why you scumread me and townread Datisi

it's called OMGUS

In post 691, Iconeum wrote:Ico: 'votes Pepper and pushes'
Pepper: 'ico is scum'
Ico: 'unvotes Pepper pushes Aldus says pepper might be town'
Pepper: 'yeah ico is scum because his reads aren't changing'

i think this is actually pretty accurate

Yeah this is a discredit

You aren't saying Pepper might be town more so as Aldus is scummier

Again, I tried to move away from this but since you voted for me while voting with you on someone I think is also scummy then I don't see anything else other than you 100% believing I must be scum for that

In post 693, Iconeum wrote:

In post 688, DoctorPepper wrote:I wanna try to get something of QQ or at least understand why I read you and Dats differently. But maybe we can't get to do that because we keep devolving into this argument that leads to nowhere

I know exactly why you scumread me and townread Datisi

it's called OMGUS

OMGUS implies I should have scumread dats too

ico, comment on 677?

pedit: can i please post this

Ico, look I think that whatever argument we have isn't actually benefitting town if we are both town

You might claim this as me not being able to take the heat but let's admit it and cut our losses, our 5 page argument has not changed each other's minds

We can resolve to ensuring the other gets lynched today so town move on or we try to look differently because if we are both town then this game is stalling.

What's it gonna be?

Hey I'm being more active now and I'm actually trying to read and defend my accusations instead of just being lazy about it, isn't that a win in and of itself?

In post 694, DoctorPepper wrote:Yeah this is a discredit
You aren't saying Pepper might be town more so as Aldus is scummier

hmm?

In post 381, Iconeum wrote:

In post 377, Drew-Sta wrote:Why do you think they voted you?

99% sure that pepper's vote on me is OMGUS - which is also town indicative on it's own

i've got no problems letting that go for now as it was an early read and it generated a TON of content