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In post 673, LicketyQuickety wrote:I feel like Tl quoted themselves and posted this:

LT's post 669 quotes me and links to that post, so that's probably what you're remembering?

In post 674, Micc wrote:i think more importantly, LQ and TL are expressing fairly accurate reads at this stage in the game.

Yeah, well I tend to have better reads in Elo then the middle of the game.

In post 675, Micc wrote:

In post 673, LicketyQuickety wrote:I feel like Tl quoted themselves and posted this:

LT's post 669 quotes me and links to that post, so that's probably what you're remembering?

Yeah, that's it. I thought some weird shinani's were going on for a sec.

In post 493, Town looter wrote:Haha. Nice. Pretty sure Scum PT reads something like this right now: "Get on loot, with Mikul's read on him so strong, it'll be an easy mislynch."

I am happy to walk into the noose because I think, now, we have enough information to win once I flip.

Reads ofc:

• Ydrasse
  getting on me screams of opportunistic eliminating. This bumps the slot right up the scum-o-meter. Although you guys won't see that until my flip.
  
• Nash
  . I think this slot is scum. It's been lurky, it's made scummy posts. Just feels straight up scummy. Can you please fucking focus on Vexo/Nash slot tomorrow?
  
• Like many of you, I have had a niggling feeling that
  LQ
  is town, even though I have been scum reading them for most of the game. I realise this sounds inconsistent AF, but gun to the head, I would probably now say town.
  
• votato is tough, POE suggests town, but they haven't been helpful at all. Their scum record is impeccable, so they play a very good scum game. I think if votato is scum we lose, unless you guys can prove some how Ydrasse or Nash are town.

Conclusion: Ydrasse and Nash are most likely scum team. Although votato could be fucking us. Pretty sure LQ is town.

I am happy to answer any questions, otherwise hammer away.

I was wondering where the setup for TL hammering Ydrasse was, and now I found it. TL can you speak to why you chose not to address the points in Ydrasse's catch up individually and instead labeled her push as opportunistic? This is something she asked for in post 508, but you never responded to as far as I can tell.

@ LQ regarding missing post: I posted a link in 669

pedit: sure thing, gimme a sec.

In post 678, Micc wrote:

In post 493, Town looter wrote:Haha. Nice. Pretty sure Scum PT reads something like this right now: "Get on loot, with Mikul's read on him so strong, it'll be an easy mislynch."

I am happy to walk into the noose because I think, now, we have enough information to win once I flip.

Reads ofc:

• Ydrasse
  getting on me screams of opportunistic eliminating. This bumps the slot right up the scum-o-meter. Although you guys won't see that until my flip.
  
• Nash
  . I think this slot is scum. It's been lurky, it's made scummy posts. Just feels straight up scummy. Can you please fucking focus on Vexo/Nash slot tomorrow?
  
• Like many of you, I have had a niggling feeling that
  LQ
  is town, even though I have been scum reading them for most of the game. I realise this sounds inconsistent AF, but gun to the head, I would probably now say town.
  
• votato is tough, POE suggests town, but they haven't been helpful at all. Their scum record is impeccable, so they play a very good scum game. I think if votato is scum we lose, unless you guys can prove some how Ydrasse or Nash are town.

Conclusion: Ydrasse and Nash are most likely scum team. Although votato could be fucking us. Pretty sure LQ is town.

I am happy to answer any questions, otherwise hammer away.

I was wondering where the setup for TL hammering Ydrasse was, and now I found it. TL can you speak to why you chose not to address the points in Ydrasse's catch up individually and instead labeled her push as opportunistic? This is something she asked for in post 508, but you never responded to as far as I can tell.

Because I was completely convinced of her guilt and riding some sweet sweet confirmation bias.

You're going to want me to go through her post and address each point now aren't you...? Lol, F

Oh and Mikul jumping on the wagon later in the page surprised me, and drew my attention away from her post.

In post 681, Town looter wrote:Oh and Mikul jumping on the wagon later in the page surprised me, and drew my attention away from her post.

Why?

In post 680, Town looter wrote:Because I was completely convinced of her guilt and riding some sweet sweet confirmation bias.

You're going to want me to go through her post and address each point now aren't you...? Lol, F

no i don't think you need to address ydrasse's original catch up now. im not asking for it at least

when you say confirmation bias, do you mean following the opinion of the confirmed town players or a bias you held earlier in the game? I didn't see much suspicion of that slot from you, just acknowledgement that it was low activity overall.

In post 682, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 681, Town looter wrote:Oh and Mikul jumping on the wagon later in the page surprised me, and drew my attention away from her post.

Why?

Assuming Town!TL, isn't it obvious? Mikul switching onto Ydrasse had a huge impact on my involvement in the game. I thought I was getting eliminated as town, something I had accepted and was doing everything I could to make sure my death was useful. All of the sudden the momentum shifts and now I am back in the game.

In post 684, Town looter wrote:

In post 682, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 681, Town looter wrote:Oh and Mikul jumping on the wagon later in the page surprised me, and drew my attention away from her post.

Why?

Assuming Town!TL, isn't it obvious? Mikul switching onto Ydrasse had a huge impact on my involvement in the game. I thought I was getting eliminated as town, something I had accepted and was doing everything I could to make sure my death was useful. All of the sudden the momentum shifts and now I am back in the game.

In other words, self pres.

The thing is, I found you were pretty happy to get out of that conundrum. I can't tell if that is AI or not, but if it is, it looks more Scummy than Townie.

In post 683, Micc wrote:

In post 680, Town looter wrote:Because I was completely convinced of her guilt and riding some sweet sweet confirmation bias.

You're going to want me to go through her post and address each point now aren't you...? Lol, F

no i don't think you need to address ydrasse's original catch up now. im not asking for it at least

when you say confirmation bias, do you mean following the opinion of the confirmed town players or a bias you held earlier in the game? I didn't see much suspicion of that slot from you, just acknowledgement that it was low activity overall.

The former, I became more and more convinced of her guilt as others, especially Mikul, agreed with my logic.

In post 685, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 684, Town looter wrote:

In post 682, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 681, Town looter wrote:Oh and Mikul jumping on the wagon later in the page surprised me, and drew my attention away from her post.

Why?

Assuming Town!TL, isn't it obvious? Mikul switching onto Ydrasse had a huge impact on my involvement in the game. I thought I was getting eliminated as town, something I had accepted and was doing everything I could to make sure my death was useful. All of the sudden the momentum shifts and now I am back in the game.

In other words, self pres.

Nah, I had accepted being eliminated. In fact I internally thought it was probably pro-town to get rid of me as Mikul was SRing me at the time, and I believed myself to be a liability if I were to make it to endgame (and esp. since I had just lost a game by being eliminated as town on the final day).

The change in direction meant I had to start thinking about the game again.

In post 687, Town looter wrote:

In post 683, Micc wrote:

In post 680, Town looter wrote:Because I was completely convinced of her guilt and riding some sweet sweet confirmation bias.

You're going to want me to go through her post and address each point now aren't you...? Lol, F

no i don't think you need to address ydrasse's original catch up now. im not asking for it at least

when you say confirmation bias, do you mean following the opinion of the confirmed town players or a bias you held earlier in the game? I didn't see much suspicion of that slot from you, just acknowledgement that it was low activity overall.

The former, I became more and more convinced of her guilt as others, especially Mikul, agreed with my logic.

In post 685, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 684, Town looter wrote:

In post 682, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 681, Town looter wrote:Oh and Mikul jumping on the wagon later in the page surprised me, and drew my attention away from her post.

Why?

Assuming Town!TL, isn't it obvious? Mikul switching onto Ydrasse had a huge impact on my involvement in the game. I thought I was getting eliminated as town, something I had accepted and was doing everything I could to make sure my death was useful. All of the sudden the momentum shifts and now I am back in the game.

In other words, self pres.

Nah, I had accepted being eliminated. In fact I internally thought it was probably pro-town to get rid of me as Mikul was SRing me at the time, and I believed myself to be a liability if I were to make it to endgame (and esp. since I had just lost a game by being eliminated as town on the final day).

The change in direction meant I had to start thinking about the game again.

One the one hand you are saying Mikul agreed with your reasoning. On the other it's apparent Mikul ended up switching his vote to Ydresse and you were quite thrilled with that as demonstrated by you overlooking that slot as a whole in favor of their lynch. Yeah, I'd say that's self pres even if you initially said you didn't mind dying. I have seen plenty of players claim they don't care about dying. Sometimes Scum does it for the exact reason that it gets them off the hook.

Plus, you never self voted, which I respect as self voting goes against win con unless you are Scum and hammering yourself.

If you can see genuine happiness, then I would agree with you reading it as scummy. But I thought I was pretty neutral on the subject? Where am I thrilled?

Feels like a mis-representation, which is annoying based on my current reads :\ (for clarity slight SR on Micc as discussed in 668

In post 690, Town looter wrote:If you can see genuine happiness, then I would agree with you reading it as scummy. But I thought I was pretty neutral on the subject? Where am I thrilled?

You sure seemed like you were more on the positive side than the negative side shortly after Mikul voted differently. It's not like you actually said, "I am really happy about this" but I am reading into it that you were.

In post 536, Town looter wrote:

In post 533, Mikul wrote:We have a few hours to Lynch.

We have two people vla and one person Mia. Just hammer and if we are wrong we will deal with the fallout next dp. We won't have time to get another lynch off with this many people missing

Right you are.

VOTE: Ydrasse

In post 537, Town looter wrote:Come on roleblocker flip!

In post 540, Town looter wrote:

In post 538, Ydrasse wrote:it’s gonna be vt but thanks.

remember what i said.

No!

In post 541, Town looter wrote:

In post 538, Ydrasse wrote:it’s gonna be vt but thanks.

remember what i said.

As an aside, regardless of flip, thanks for subbing in and being active. Kinda sucks you had to do a bunch of catch up only to get eliminated 5 minutes later, but thanks anyway.

Heh, I think that's more to do with thinking I had scum pinned, rather than being happy at being alive.

In post 693, Town looter wrote:Heh, I think that's more to do with thinking I had scum pinned, rather than being happy at being alive.

You were really saying you were not going to remember what they said? That seems especially rude for you.

Huh? Something is lost in translation here...

In post 540, Town looter wrote:

In post 538, Ydrasse wrote:it’s gonna be vt but thanks.

remember what i said.

No!

This "No!" is either that you are saying no to remembering what they said, or expressing lament for Ydrasse flipping VT. In both cases it does show a level of elation in the exclamation mark.

Sorry, it should have been NoooOOOOoooooOOOooooo!!!! as it was lamenting Ydrasse being likely to flip town (at this point they would have little reason to lie). It was right about here my little confirmation bias bubble popped.

In post 697, Town looter wrote:Sorry, it should have been NoooOOOOoooooOOOooooo!!!! as it was lamenting Ydrasse being likely to flip town (at this point they would have little reason to lie). It was right about here my little confirmation bias bubble popped.

This would be a lot easier if you story didn't keep changing.

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