Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[VP Baltar]

Why do you have to do a full reread?

[MURDERCAT]

I see your question in my pedits.
Basically because I felt like I totally lost the thread of the game as it totally stalled out.

[Datisi]

103 by klyne on titus is a point that speaks to me for some reason. i'll keep this post in mind.

this is interesting because this post stood out to both of us despite having opposite reads on titus/klyne. does it change how you read 46?

(2) surprisingly, no.

what are you keeping it in mind for exactly?

idk. maybe it'll hit me if it becomes relevant. maybe it won't.

[Datisi]

oh no now i think deas is scum too

is there any town in this goddamn game

Scum have no incentive to bus or crosskill. They have an intention to gang up on people and defend partners at the same time.

Notice how Klyne avoids talking about anyone but me. It's deliberate.

Also, sorry for struggling with this game. I've been rationing my meds. It's been hard to focus.

oh yeah about this

when i said "now i think deas is scum too" i was thinking his way/reasons of pushing klyne are like, Bad

i don't think deas/klyne are in the same pt

and like... if deas *were* scum, not like he'd know whether klyne is town or other scum, no?

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: reread though page 10

Also if someone could explain how to actually approach this setup that would be great. I'm guessing wolves first and try to go into good nightless numbers is ideal because there won't be cross kills? But I'm not sure how we actually manage to control that

We don't? I'm not sure what you're asking here. We hunt scum, and try to figure it out from there.

VOTE: Taly

In retrospect, I think it's weird how fixated Mara was about me talking about this with no discussion of Titus talking about it with me. Maybe I am too tunneled on Titus? This is one of the ways I like to start open setups because it gives us something to talk about so I don't think it's weird at all, but if it is weird shouldn't it also be weird that Titus is discussing it too? Also, if this is apparently weird why is the vote on Taly instead of me?

Taly is at E minus 1

I feel like this is LAMIST in retrospect. As Titus admits it's not her normal play.

Cat that does murder... sounds a lot like an evil but wolves are dogs so they're the Mafia!

VOTE: MURDERCAT

I wonder if JV had read at this point and chose not to join the Taly wagon or if he just wasn't aware.

I'll admit I'm tempted.
Reading up real quick, lecture's about to start though so it might be a bit.

This is kind of sketchy but like, you wouldn't say this as scum right? It's just kind of dumb to say.

Titus is my best guess for scum on the wagon atm. Weird sheep without comment, and then the fuss about E-1 without unvoting.
MURDERCAT's vote seems NAI, and tbh I'd expect Battle Mage to do the E-1 vote as any alignment. The sus votes are in the middle, when the wagon is actually being talked about as a wagon. A decent question at this point is, is there anyone adding pressure on you that wouldn't have done so as town? If so it's going to be somewhere in {PlusJOYED, Marashu, Titus, Klyne}.

But also there's almost certainly bound to be town guiding the wagon as well

I still think that I like the conclusion about Titus but taking BM out for free here is still super weird to me.

Was thinking some good thoughts but most of them come to

Well does Kilck really think that an innocuous RVS wagon would have some deeper meaning to it, or is he merely postulating? Is it..sincere? Maybe he just really hates RVS and enjoys the sounds that come out of his RGB LED Mechanical Gaming Keyboard"

I had a townread on Kylne until his italics post.

I don't think there is anything AI in that at all. I wasn't sure how serious Titus was about this but evidently the answer was pretty serious??

lso feel iffy with the assertion that i am town based on the wagon

/shrug I still think that if Taly is scum there would have been more JV votes and fewer BM votes.

Taly is at E minus 1

Isn't it E-2?

It was E-2. I think murder being on point/correcting is NAI but I think titus being wrong (votes less than 1) is an association if taly ever flips non-town. But on it's own it's probably a towntell since mistakes usually come from town.

I think this is silly. The idea is Titus purposely tried to slow the wagon while still voting for it? I don't think and unvote there looks that weird if that was her goal.

It's funny that tracy basically did 79 in our last game and was scum, but here I think you are towny for it. I think because you do into more effort and are providing actual thoughts.

ding ding ding

VOTE: Klyne

Username definitely doesn't care about perceptions

Hm. Early takes right now: I'm thinking Titus is town. I was townleaning Taly based on reactions to the wagon until I saw the post about meta reads. That one makes me feel apprehensive (though I can at least promise that I will not be reading through those games to fact-check). I'm feeling scum!murdercat is a very real possibility. I'm also getting gut scumpings from Klick, but I also know BM is better than me at finding scum. Klick did have a good point about Klyne, though.

Light TL on Plus. Deas might be scum? So right now I'm feeling {Murdercat, Klick, Klyne, Deas} with one more to find.

UNVOTE:

P-Edit: VOTE: Klyne - now explain your vote.

Wrong side of Titus/Taly still I think.

That makes me feel a little guilty honestly

I should have pushed DV for more thoughts here, he read up but kind of ignored the major events of the early game.

Page 1>

- Ping on post 8 (mc), it is common sense to know that town only has scumhunt, while the scum side (maf, ww) needs to better understand the setup to be able to play properly.

- I didn't like Taly's answer very much and I can understand the increase in votes on him.

Page 2>

- I had a strange feeling reading Jackson's posts, but I don't classify it as ping.

- Positive impression of Klick and MC.

- Taly has not improved in the posts and I feel that Titus is very apathetic in the sense of WIM.

Page 3>

- BM, Klyne and PlusJOYED void.

- Delay on vote by Titus is towny.

Page 4>

- Um, I don't know how to read Taly.

And.. That's it. I don't think I will do more than that. Maybe I'll adapt to the real-time chat.

VOTE: Titus

I'm having many mixfeelings right now, but I want to sort this first ^

I see your analysis

I see your vote

Reconcile the two? I cannot see it.

Did you mean to Vote Taly?

I wonder if I am being pocketed by clidd, I recently was told I am susceptible to pocketing
BM does have a good point here.

I believe ORAM is scum.

This is important to remember for later

I like Taly and clidd for town. Klick and DV too, though not as strongly.

Marashu, talk to me about 90 because most of those reads are the opposite of how I feel.

I'm not exactly a hyperposter, but I'll be around for a while rn. Anyone on, let's talk

Also important for later.

Your townpool is basically what I'm thinking too.

Maybe Clidd is trying to buddy up to Taly here too? I have to look at how he approaches Titus later because it looked like a kind of towny wavering to me but maybe it wasn't.

I feel awkward bragging but my scum game is usually better than that.

I wonder if this is Titus trying to lessen some pressure by saying "you wouldn't catch me as scum." I do that as town a lot actually, I wonder if she would do it as scum.

Back

I'm leaving you guys a freebie on Marashu. This isn't the greatest catch but I'm feeling charitable.

Marashu saw an impending wagon on my slot and tried to push me. Bad news: He didn't expect for me to bring the tea. Noob scum thought I'd just lie over and take his fdnsjkanfsd vote

ANYWAYS

I already talked about why it sucks, but I'm gonna tell you why everything else sucks. Look at the way he disengages from me. That is NOT a conscious town who made a mistake, it's scum who realized they were biting off more than they chew. He says he hates being wrong and that I still have a chance being scum. Fine. Great. Cool. Great. Whatever. Fine. Cool.

Then as if nobody heard him he says "w-well that fake E-1 post seemed pretty genuine" and here I'm thinking OK, let's see what this dope does

HE FUCKING UNVOTES
I'm going back to swearing btw fuck you
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I tell him why I don't like Titus and now the dude doesn't even seem interested at all. His posts following that is completely dodging the issue like it never fucking happened. NOOB SCUM FEAR. He didn't expect me to throw the ball back at him. You don't show up to play ball and then decide you can't hang with Michael Jordan after all

I will dunk on you
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I really really really dislike the way he engages other playesrs, like clidd. He's just all like "OH hey buddy please townread me" proceeds to make a bunch of uncharitable quoteposts busywokr JUST VOTE MURDERCAT YOU'RE AFRAID OF MAKINg THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE

This really feels like town with a strong read to me. If only I knew who you were I'd know if you are good enough to fake this

My heart says Taly is town posting but he's also one of the players I don't trust myself to read well given recent experience.

A few days later and this feeling has mostly passed.

What do you think of my wagon?

Like this is a weird thing to ask someone on the wagon right? I don't get where these questions are coming from.

I'm using players as a sounding board to get a feel for them.

For instance, I feel like scum from both factions are on my wagon. At first, I thought it was just one faction but the votes on me are from people who have lazy positions at best, which is exactly why I was supposedly voted.

I'm getting this weird feeling on this page that Titus is talking to me as if she knows I'm town even though that's not actually possible. But she would probably have a pretty good idea still as scum.

For instance, this is lazy and agreeing with almost every wagon but Kylne.
Very sheepish and not really solving.

Seems like Titus is happy with the ORAM wagon that develops later.

Now, I feel like this conversation is a bit like pulling teeth to get a reads discussion and a feel for you. It feels rather oppositional.

Like this is what I'm talking about. In one post it seems like Titus is addressing me as a strong TR and then she comes back with this where she apparently needs to get a feel for me?

Ok I realize it's not going to be fun to read so here's the cliffnotes with higher level thoughts.

Taly - town I think for wagon comp, that meta post, and a general lack of anything that I really think is scummy

Titus - Still think Titus is scummy. Nothing in the iso seems solvey, it's mostly defending (e.g. calling all the votes on her wagon lazy) and there's a number of posts that ping me. Plus I think Klyne v Titus is TvS

iamausername - Null through this point, but I did like some of the stuff that came later where he actually did anything.

The Bulge (JacksonVirgo) - Worried about this as a partner to Titus, but otherwise null.

PlusJOYED - Has done nothing to this point, which is unfortunately consistent with town meta so null. Not really sure what to make of his opening post still.

DeasVail - Looking back, I don't like how DV ignored Titus in the early catchup he did.

Datisi (Marashu) - I am sheeping Klyne here, but on reread there was stuff that pinged me. Could definitely be scum with Titus.

galaxii (Battle Mage) - Put Taly at E-2 but otherwise was pretty absent so far. Pushed for ORAM over Titus?

Klyne - This is a strong town read for me for tone and also I think we agree about the gamestate.

clidd - Ugh I am a little more worried about being pocked by Clidd now but I'm still town binning this for now.

Klick - Really bad association with Titus and in retrospect the iso is kinda empty.

VP Baltar (ORAM) - Totally null but becomes a CW to Titus and I think this is a case where VP replaced into a meh slot and towns it up. But I'll get there soon enough.


I have a meeting to run to, but I will continue later.

[PlusJOYED]

i have covid and no energy to make reads someone tell me where to vote

[VP Baltar]

i have covid and no energy to make reads someone tell me where to vote

Yo, that sucks for real. I hope you feel better soon.

[Titus]

oh no now i think deas is scum too

is there any town in this goddamn game

Scum have no incentive to bus or crosskill. They have an intention to gang up on people and defend partners at the same time.

Notice how Klyne avoids talking about anyone but me. It's deliberate.

Also, sorry for struggling with this game. I've been rationing my meds. It's been hard to focus.

oh yeah about this

when i said "now i think deas is scum too" i was thinking his way/reasons of pushing klyne are like, Bad

i don't think deas/klyne are in the same pt

and like... if deas *were* scum, not like he'd know whether klyne is town or other scum, no?

This is correct if Deas or anyone is scum. I still townread Deas, but I can't prove he's town.

I also have a problem that most of my townreads happen to agree with me.

[Titus]

i have covid and no energy to make reads someone tell me where to vote

I hope you feel better soon.

[Taly]

my mental energy has been divided to lots of stuff aside from this, ill get to the thread soon

questions or direct comments on my votes/thoughts are top-tier ways to see my POV and motivate me

*sneezes, farts, and then dies*

[VP Baltar]

comments on my votes/thoughts

Realizing off hand, I can't name a single one of your opinions without opening your iso.

[Titus]

comments on my votes/thoughts

Realizing off hand, I can't name a single one of your opinions without opening your iso.

I kinda agree with this. I forgot Taly was in the game, but figured it was my divided focus.

[DeasVail]

when i said "now i think deas is scum too" i was thinking his way/reasons of pushing klyne are like, Bad

What don't you like about it?

I must admit there's some degree of trying to come up with make-sensey reasons for what is mostly just a feeling but eh

[VP Baltar]

galaxiiiii, we need some hot takes

[VP Baltar]

Days, you set on Klyne over Titus?

[VP Baltar]

Dats... autocorrect

[VP Baltar]

Also, Taly, how are you feeling about that Klyne vote?

[Umlaut]

Deadline is frozen at 2 days until a replacement is found for Klick.

[VP Baltar]

Bernie meme.jpg

"I am asking you once again to replace into this damn game."

[Umlaut]

ben dover123 replaces Klick.

The sun will set in (expired on 2020-12-12 02:59:00).

[VP Baltar]

ben dover123 replaces Klick.

The sun will set in (expired on 2020-12-11 02:59:00).

Wait...we lost 24 hours?

Fixed

- Um

[clidd]

Huuum.

[clidd]

Welcome Ben, it's good to see you again.

I'm looking forward to your reads.

[The Bulge]

Titus you skipped over 580

[clidd]

By the way, I need a reread of the game, I feel like I'm mentally disconnected.