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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:06 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
In post 629, Lostego wrote:what i want to ask those who are actually listening what hypothetical partner would allow koba to post or play in this type of way in a 9-player game. the PoE will eventually become very narrow and this is not the type of game for chaotic scumplay to be successful.
I'm sure nobody can control koba, but just so I understand this is clearing koba because their play is bad if scum? So essentially the same thing clidd has suggested. This is lacking for me, it doesn't feel like a real evaluation of a slot. Once you figure out that you're actually wrong about this, and there's no way a partner can dictate what koba does or doesn't do in thread, which quite frankly is pretty obvious, then will that change your read on koba?
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:10 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
In post 632, Lostego wrote:
im not sure where you interpreted it as defensive. do you think there would have been anyone who would have disagreed that radja wasn't scummy? when i made that post i didn't find literally anyone who was defending radja or even considered them to be possibly town. that is what i meant by consensus. re-read my post with that in mind and then tell me what you think.
I think clidd and raya spent a good portion of d1 talking about how radja as towny. I suggested his entrance posts were towny as well and never voted or cased or shaded him in anyway. so your 'consensus' was lack of reading the thread at best.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:18 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
In post 634, Lostego wrote:gimil your responses to koba seemed much more emotional than you want them to (you yourself recognize this and apologize) so reel it back in and then speak to me whether or not you actually scumread koba outside of your emotions.
koba is someone I decided not to talk to directly because they were rude to me when I asked them things before. It bothers me because I've been tolerant to koba who I could tell from their very entrance is not someone that matches well with me personally, and I expected them to be minimally diplomatic to me as I was doing the same. That has nothing to do with my read. koba is someone I constantly read as disingenuous, and they haven't tried solving the game in any direction yet. the majority of his posts are too self absorbed to be meaningful to the game. his pivoting from me to clidd was completely artificial and unfortunately everyone decided to agree with clidd that was somehow towny.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:21 pm
by DkKoba
hey gimli let me show u something that i think ur completely missing when reading me
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:22 pm
by DkKoba
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:23 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
In post 636, Lostego wrote: In post 612, Raya36 wrote:Something I'm suspicious of with Koba is someone (I think Clidd but I can't remember) called them out for not playing their typical aggressive townplay. Koba claimed that's not how they play anymore but then I saw a huge change in attitude from Koba over the next few pages and the more aggressive play came out. Scum trying to appeal? Gimli still seems fine to me in context of the read on Horsewoman. This looks like Koba forcing a tunnel.
I think it's time I move away from Clidd anyway, VOTE: Koba
not focusing on koba but instead what you mentioned about gimil/horsewoman because that's been something that i've been focusing on as well. i mentioned horsewoman's displayed apathy and i dont think it makes sense and seems a bit exaggerated. from what i gather, gimil responded to me that no, he does not read horsewoman based on experience, yet his ISO doesn't determine anything to state otherwise. his read on horsewoman seems more like a comfort, but part of me is starting to think that if gimil were to be scum then he is only latching onto that familiarity. i actally think it's decently obscene how much he seems to want horsewoman to play or to show up early in his posts. what do you think of this?
Ah, I like this from you.
just so we get this out of the way, you asked if my read was solely based off experience and it isn't, because I need posts in this game to evaluate her based off my experience with her, so it's always a mixed bag of past and present things.
I was excited to play with horsewoman and was disappointed that she wasn't around. then she started arguing things that we better ignore and I tried to help her come to the game. I started fixating on her when my worldbuild needed her input cause I didn't know what to do with her slot.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:24 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
pedit: I'm sorry, you noticed I was calling you 'they' and then started to forget to do that midway through the post. apologies.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:24 pm
by DkKoba
u never once engaged me in good faith btw. dont know what this "diplomacy" ur talking about is. I'm the one who backed off and decided to reeval. Why are you gaslighting?
I haven't tried solving the game?
Blatantly lying isn't going to get you anywhere here.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:27 pm
by DkKoba
I've been pinged by clidd like early on. there was no pivot. I was watching him closely during our debacle. It's useful to see what people on the side are doing when 2 people are fighting. Whats the reaction?
No reaction is typically the scum reaction. Let them brawl it out.
Especially when clidd expresses they townread you, why are they not appealing to me to townread you there?
I'm appealing here assuming you're town for the time being because I think you're potentially just stuck in a tunnel and I dont want a repeat of the game I linked earlier where a player had a grudge tunnel on me the whole game and lost it at the end despite logic pointing against me.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:27 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
In post 243, DkKoba wrote: In post 241, Gimli son of Glóin wrote: In post 223, DkKoba wrote:i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)
also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu
this is funny. why are you saying this when raja is pushing clidd, and none of them are presenting a scumread on volxen, quite the contrary? who was pushing volxen to make this post sensible?
what do you think of clidd?
silence scum
that was me in good faith and the exact moment you lost it. I don't want to talk about this any further.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:30 pm
by DkKoba
Do you not find it odd that clidd has not had me as a scumread, and you as a townread, and yet did nothing ?
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:30 pm
by DkKoba
like genuinely trying to understand ur thought process here.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:32 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
he said he didn't want to interfere and gave reasons for it. also he was calling you scummy before we had that 1v1.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:33 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
I'm starting to need more from horsewoman as her actual content posts are too minimal and I didn't love her last entrance in the game.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:34 pm
by DkKoba
In post 684, Gimli son of Glóin wrote: In post 243, DkKoba wrote: In post 241, Gimli son of Glóin wrote: In post 223, DkKoba wrote:i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)
also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu
this is funny. why are you saying this when raja is pushing clidd, and none of them are presenting a scumread on volxen, quite the contrary? who was pushing volxen to make this post sensible?
what do you think of clidd?
silence scum
that was me in good faith and the exact moment you lost it. I don't want to talk about this any further.
twas a reaction test to see how you'd respond to that. shutting up and refusing to completely engage with me is not one that bodes well for the gamestate.
and looking back -> no one really asked me why, but the reason i was hesitant to push on volxen was indeed the reason i listed as a read on the type of player they seemed to be to me. I had a recent game i won as town, but to the embarrassment of myself having driven 2 town miselims in the process as PR. The first one was on a person who fit that similar archaetype and I don't want to repeat a mistake like that. Read it however u want thats the honest truth on that matter.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:35 pm
by DkKoba
The issue is he's not taking sides and fencesitting. Not even engaging in questioning, etc.
And he had me as null throughout? Said most of what I did was "NAI".
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:37 pm
by DkKoba
Like - the thing about catching scum its not about what they WILL do. its about what they ARENT going to do -> which is stop town from miseliming, push partners when they do something they'd notice as scummy/pushable, etc. gotta look at the mindset of "whats missing here?" and thats what I'm looking at here.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:38 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
I asked you things and you told me to shut up instead of answering as a reaction test? and then when I was clearly uncomfortable, did you apologise? did you even answer my questions? and now I have to engage you again FOR THE GAMESTATE oh give me a break koba.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:39 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
he said you were scummy before the 1v1 and didn't want to interfere as things could get worse and he evaluated you from them. he actually interfered once and asked me to be nice and answer if you remember that.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:39 pm
by DkKoba
I'm sure Ashoka will remember in Bending how we straight up ignored certain things because we had to. We largely ignored our 3rd partner even though for example from my pov I would have been hardpushing on them in that game as town, something I did at key points where I knew it wasn't going to lead anywhere.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:41 pm
by DkKoba
Why are you making excuses for Clidd? Are they that locktown for you?
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:42 pm
by Gimli son of Glóin
I'm simply describing what happened in the thread. and either way I'm gone for now.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:44 pm
by DkKoba
In post 455, DkKoba wrote: In post 453, clidd wrote:
I didn't feel that you are performing in this game to find scum. Your observations and impressions are very weak for what I was expecting from town!you
Not in the sense of ''I want you to post more'', but in the sense that I don't see any substance in your reads that I can look at and say "this is definitely town!Dk".
I would probably have you as a lock-town if you had shown me a particle from the towntell that I mentioned earlier that I was expecting from you.
do u want me to deathtunnel someone? its been a while since we've played and i have been reforming my play. if someone pisses me off i might deathtunnel yeah[/b] but so far im playing normal koba game. annoyingly it is NAI since my early scumgame is strong but i thought the interaction I had with ashoka would be difficult for me to fake as scum.
its concerning when board analysis states that scum is testing a push to miselim me here today -> the amount of shade i've garnered is unwarrented. (used to being that one player who's pushed to a higher standard of play than others
used to, but still hate it)
Can you quote which posts you believe lack the substance?
oh hey i found t he post i wanted earlier.
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:46 pm
by DkKoba
oops formatted the bolding wrong lol
Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:46 pm
by DkKoba
are u partners with clidd?
