In post 657, Chuck Shurley wrote:Can TvT tunneling cross day phases? Yes. As one specific example: Town lost in a game I played in quite a while back because two obstinate townies with a scummy play style tunneled on each other all the way to lilo.
If that's not what you're asking, then I'm not sure what you're talking about.
ok so now tell me. come from the perspective that clark is town, what would make you figure out that clark is town?
for example, is there a case u can come up wit for clark!town? so you don't misjudge this as another tvt tunneling.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:23 pm
by Chuck Shurley
Grandpa: It sounds like you're assuming Clark would go after you if he were actually scum, but I'm not grasping why you're making that assumption.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:24 pm
by Chuck Shurley
If you're asking if I believe there's scum between me and Clark...obviously?
Is there something specific that you want me to comment on?
I currently still think you are town, despite the fake claim. I suspect I know why you fake claimed, and if so, you know why I am asking you this question in the manner I am. I am doing a dive on something right now; unless there is something specific you want answering, I will get back to you once I have conclusions to share.
ok so at first i wanted to fake claim for the exact same reason t3 did but then you told me to shutup and stuff and i rlly thought u were tryna soft a doc claim here.
so i would die at night -- then you would claim doc the next day just in case
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Why would Val claim Doctor on Day 2 in this scenario?
Could you answer this too Grandpa?
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:32 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 676, Chuck Shurley wrote:Grandpa: It sounds like you're assuming Clark would go after you if he were actually scum, but I'm not grasping why you're making that assumption.
In post 677, Chuck Shurley wrote:If you're asking if I believe there's scum between me and Clark...obviously?
In short: I am confused. Please clarify.
im not talking about anything regarding me.
it isnt a hard question i believe.
u said there has been cases of tvt tunneling before and it occured to you before.
now relaspe those time and events and compare it to this. whats different than what u expierenced before. are you able to come into a mindset where you are able to see clark!town doing this?
are you able to build a case for town!clark if you wanted to.
Is there something specific that you want me to comment on?
I currently still think you are town, despite the fake claim. I suspect I know why you fake claimed, and if so, you know why I am asking you this question in the manner I am. I am doing a dive on something right now; unless there is something specific you want answering, I will get back to you once I have conclusions to share.
ok so at first i wanted to fake claim for the exact same reason t3 did but then you told me to shutup and stuff and i rlly thought u were tryna soft a doc claim here.
so i would die at night -- then you would claim doc the next day just in case
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Why would Val claim Doctor on Day 2 in this scenario?
Could you answer this too Grandpa?
i already answered this in a earlier post-- i dropped it during the night, i realized i was stupid and forgot that mafia had known the setup, so it just served as a bait to reveal setup info.
Is there something specific that you want me to comment on?
I currently still think you are town, despite the fake claim. I suspect I know why you fake claimed, and if so, you know why I am asking you this question in the manner I am. I am doing a dive on something right now; unless there is something specific you want answering, I will get back to you once I have conclusions to share.
ok so at first i wanted to fake claim for the exact same reason t3 did but then you told me to shutup and stuff and i rlly thought u were tryna soft a doc claim here.
so i would die at night -- then you would claim doc the next day just in case
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Why would Val claim Doctor on Day 2 in this scenario?
Could you answer this too Grandpa?
i already answered this in a earlier post-- i dropped it during the night, i realized i was stupid and forgot that mafia had known the setup, so it just served as a bait to reveal setup info.
unless somehow psyche wasnt jailkeep, and they decide to kill me for whatever reason, and i flip vt -- there would be a theory that val could still have claimed doc if we were in that setup
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:36 pm
by Chuck Shurley
At first glance (I read 13-ish pages in about 5 minutes) I did read him as town because it seemed like he was game solving. I read deeper, realized I didn't like the direction his posts were coming from, and changed my read. If he does something to change that, you'll all hear about it, but right now I'm not sure what the point of asking me to town read my scum vote is.
In post 530, Psyche wrote:To keep setup ambiguous from scum for at least one night longer, someone should go ahead and hammer.
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.
Unless James is fake claiming, scum are the only one with the exception of the other PR who KNOW the setup, since doctor only appears once in each of column A and B. If they have a rolecop or roleblocker solves the setup completely for them.
No way Psyche didn't know that. Get this obvscum outta here, we can sort Nancy for sure tomorrow.
VOTE: Pysche
I'm rereading what happened at the end of Day 1 and this still sticks out as odd to me. Val, can you tell us your thought process here? You voted James shortly afterward when it looked like you picked up on Psyche's counter claim, but this vote and reasoning feels off.
Is there something specific that you want me to comment on?
I currently still think you are town, despite the fake claim. I suspect I know why you fake claimed, and if so, you know why I am asking you this question in the manner I am. I am doing a dive on something right now; unless there is something specific you want answering, I will get back to you once I have conclusions to share.
ok so at first i wanted to fake claim for the exact same reason t3 did but then you told me to shutup and stuff and i rlly thought u were tryna soft a doc claim here.
so i would die at night -- then you would claim doc the next day just in case
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Why would Val claim Doctor on Day 2 in this scenario?
Could you answer this too Grandpa?
i already answered this in a earlier post-- i dropped it during the night, i realized i was stupid and forgot that mafia had known the setup, so it just served as a bait to reveal setup info.
unless somehow psyche wasnt jailkeep, and they decide to kill me for whatever reason, and i flip vt -- there would be a theory that val could still have claimed doc if we were in that setup
I'm just not sure why Val would claim Doc though? Psyche already counter claimed James at that point, so why would Val claim a protective role without any pressure or reason to do so? Even in an alternate universe where Val is the real Doc, why claim?
In post 530, Psyche wrote:To keep setup ambiguous from scum for at least one night longer, someone should go ahead and hammer.
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.
Unless James is fake claiming, scum are the only one with the exception of the other PR who KNOW the setup, since doctor only appears once in each of column A and B. If they have a rolecop or roleblocker solves the setup completely for them.
No way Psyche didn't know that. Get this obvscum outta here, we can sort Nancy for sure tomorrow.
VOTE: Pysche
I'm rereading what happened at the end of Day 1 and this still sticks out as odd to me. Val, can you tell us your thought process here? You voted James shortly afterward when it looked like you picked up on Psyche's counter claim, but this vote and reasoning feels off.
Well, if scum bussed, it can only be Val because a bus wouldn’t make sense early wagon but Val was hardpushing me, so I guess that’s possible.
So, it has to be between those 3. I think you, T3 and Mo are all town.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:57 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 684, Roden wrote:I'm just not sure why Val would claim Doc though? Psyche already counter claimed James at that point, so why would Val claim a protective role without any pressure or reason to do so? Even in an alternate universe where Val is the real Doc, why claim?
because wouldn't val just die during the night? if im claiming already and if im getting a intuitive thought that val is telling me to shutup because they were the doc, then im obviously going to keep my claim so i can sacrifice just for the sake of doc being alive. instead of pysche dying, val would have died if they claimed.
i also claimed to bait like i said then follow up wit val's actions but now it was to bait.
wait.
there is a possibility that the setup could still be tracker + jailkeep no?
it's just mafia hit jailkeep today nd mafia can hit tracker tonight
we know there isnt a doc, because mafia would have just killed me at night before killing psyche.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:58 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 686, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Well, if scum bussed, it can only be Val because a bus wouldn’t make sense early wagon but Val was hardpushing me, so I guess that’s possible.
In post 530, Psyche wrote:To keep setup ambiguous from scum for at least one night longer, someone should go ahead and hammer.
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.
Unless James is fake claiming, scum are the only one with the exception of the other PR who KNOW the setup, since doctor only appears once in each of column A and B. If they have a rolecop or roleblocker solves the setup completely for them.
No way Psyche didn't know that. Get this obvscum outta here, we can sort Nancy for sure tomorrow.
VOTE: Pysche
I'm rereading what happened at the end of Day 1 and this still sticks out as odd to me. Val, can you tell us your thought process here? You voted James shortly afterward when it looked like you picked up on Psyche's counter claim, but this vote and reasoning feels off.
Well, if scum bussed, it can only be Val because a bus wouldn’t make sense early wagon but Val was hardpushing me, so I guess that’s possible.
So, it has to be between those 3. I think you, T3 and Mo are all town.
Is it? I don't buy your logic for voting me. Nothing had really changed since you initially gave me a scumread (other than me moving my vote to you), so why vote me now?
In post 669, Chuck Shurley wrote:You also nearly side stepped the fact that you and Blurry/James nearly side stepped any associations in D1, for good or ill.
I addressed this specifically. I can't speak for James, but my guess is that the fact that he replaced into a scum slot that already had pressure combined with dealing with Nancy consumed his attention. I wasn't on his wagon, and I wasn't really posting at all during that period for reasons I explained.
You say you were busy too. The difference between you and me is I didn't scumread Blurry. I was more interested in Psyche (I never said I was good at this game) and so
that's where my vote was
. You gave a scumread of both myself and Blurry, but did not place a vote. You also didn't pursue your suspicions. A scumread of yours was a leading wagon and was posting profusely, and you never chimed in.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:55 pm
by ClarkBar
In post 308, Chuck Shurley wrote:I scumread blurry because their one real post felt like posturing -saying one thing,
such as "this is town" then subtly undermining that assessment in the following sentences—up to and including null-reading my slot but still strongly casting doubt on motive.
However, it was just one slot, I have no insight into how they play or if they've played before, and that could as easily be insecurity as it could be scum.
This is a good way of describing how I feel about your progression on me in 410. I don't care that your opinion of me changed, I care that it's not super clear as to why, and most importantly that you didn't pursue the issue with me. I feel that having me go from "painfully town" to "leaning sus" in one post requires more explanation than you give as well as some follow-up questions for me to respond to. Maybe even a vote!
Instead you give a couple of scum leans without voting or pursuing further and you do not vote. Blurry was on the chopping block so lightly distancing him makes perfect sense. You need an alternative scum lean in case Blurry got out of his predicament, and my actions on the Grandpa wagon must have seemed like something you could latch onto. But again, no follow-up or vote on me. I believe it was, like you say, posturing.
In post 684, Roden wrote:I'm just not sure why Val would claim Doc though? Psyche already counter claimed James at that point, so why would Val claim a protective role without any pressure or reason to do so? Even in an alternate universe where Val is the real Doc, why claim?
because wouldn't val just die during the night? if im claiming already and if im getting a intuitive thought that val is telling me to shutup because they were the doc, then im obviously going to keep my claim so i can sacrifice just for the sake of doc being alive. instead of pysche dying, val would have died if they claimed.
i also claimed to bait like i said then follow up wit val's actions but now it was to bait.
wait.
there is a possibility that the setup could still be tracker + jailkeep no?
it's just mafia hit jailkeep today nd mafia can hit tracker tonight
we know there isnt a doc, because mafia would have just killed me at night before killing psyche.
Yeah, we could have a Tracker (or a Friendly Neighbor), but I wouldn't pry anymore into that. Even if no one slips they're the 2nd PR, if enough people slip that they
aren't
, scum can use PoE to find the last one. It's best not to bring it up unless necessary.
I think I understand your thought process better now though. It's a little chaotic, but I get it.
In post 530, Psyche wrote:To keep setup ambiguous from scum for at least one night longer, someone should go ahead and hammer.
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.
Unless James is fake claiming, scum are the only one with the exception of the other PR who KNOW the setup, since doctor only appears once in each of column A and B. If they have a rolecop or roleblocker solves the setup completely for them.
No way Psyche didn't know that. Get this obvscum outta here, we can sort Nancy for sure tomorrow.
VOTE: Pysche
I'm rereading what happened at the end of Day 1 and this still sticks out as odd to me. Val, can you tell us your thought process here? You voted James shortly afterward when it looked like you picked up on Psyche's counter claim, but this vote and reasoning feels off.
Well, if scum bussed, it can only be Val because a bus wouldn’t make sense early wagon but Val was hardpushing me, so I guess that’s possible.
So, it has to be between those 3. I think you, T3 and Mo are all town.
Slight hesitance on Mo still but I mostly agree, yeah. Like I said, you're basically town locked for me, and T3 looks better than he did Day 1, since he was hopping around wagons a bit but he stuck to the one that flipped red. One of the four of us are most likely to get sniped each night, but I really don't think we can lose this game. With a scum pool of three and three days left to vote out scum, as well as a potential Tracker, this should be an easy game.
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:07 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 696, Roden wrote:Yeah, we could have a Tracker (or a Friendly Neighbor), but I wouldn't pry anymore into that. Even if no one slips they're the 2nd PR, if enough people slip that they aren't, scum can use PoE to find the last one. It's best not to bring it up unless necessary.
I think I understand your thought process better now though. It's a little chaotic, but I get it.
i agree. lets nothave this pr discussion anymore.
i still do believe there is scum in chuck and clark
and i still dont know why val was so paranoiac bout me having those scumreads lol
then nancy comes in and agrees wit me
i just only disagree that val should be in the votepool. i think u roden is more iffy then val.
but i just think yall r both town if that were the case
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:07 pm
by GrandpaMo
In post 696, Roden wrote:he was hopping around wagons a bit but he stuck to the one that flipped red.
there is a better reason to townread t3 here lol
Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:09 pm
by GrandpaMo
also where did this chuck v clark come from .. it seemed so random... another reason to just stay weary on those two (scum might have thought one was an achievable mislim)
