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In post 671, Dannflor wrote:

In post 533, StrangeMatter wrote:Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

oh hello I missed this line

You must be

very angry that you couldn't have been here to read Salsabil's mind and someone stop her from self-hammering before she did so?

this feels like a line that comes from scum trying to look good not someone genuinely frustrated or thinking about the situation

In post 592, Leaven wrote:Summarizing. Dont mean to put words in anyones mouth so please correct me if mistaken or if your sentiment has changed.

Ythan:
Val (or Clsr)
Gamma (self preservation)
*Strange (or Gamma)
**Dannflor (? if refusing to vote GE now)

Gamma:
Leaven
Clsr (or Val per rankings)
Ythan (self preservation)
*Strange (or Ythan)
**Dannflor (changed mind)

Assume gamma and ythan would vote to save each other. Dann was on gamma, not sure if would vote ythan to save gamma now though. Regardless, this reads that gamma/val needs both strange AND dannflor or ythan/clsr/leaven needs only one of strange OR dann.

In post 645, Leaven wrote:For the record. How bad of a look is it for me (as town) when I end up actually talking my fellow town out of limming the top scum by sentiment at morning if that person ends up flipping red?

In post 671, Dannflor wrote:

In post 533, StrangeMatter wrote:Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

oh hello I missed this line

You must be very angry that you couldn't have been here to read Salsabil's mind and someone stop her from self-hammering before she did so?

this feels like a line that comes from scum trying to look good not someone genuinely frustrated or thinking about the situation

In post 189, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:ythan if you stop being a cow you get one (1) towncred and a 10% chance of being invited to towncore
I could see scum!james disrupting the thread as much as possible with ambiguous, anti-town actions when actual conversation is starting to take place but again, please scumread james for diff reasons
ythan pointing this out and then macking on val for multiple posts also feels like a deliberate disruption

In post 556, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:

In post 533, StrangeMatter wrote:Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

i didn't catch this originally, turns out there was one person who has the same mentality i did

*arbitrary townread*

not sure about the logic on the ythan vote though. it feels too hasty especially since you asked them an important question before this, so it looks more like policy than anything

In post 535, StrangeMatter wrote:I have no regrets if he flips green. I’d rather eliminate this now than let him stay, though.

In post 23, Leaven wrote:

In post 21, ClarkBar wrote: My avatar backs up my story.

My avatar quacks up my story.

In post 253, Leaven wrote:Outside of this, I don't have much to go on. So while this is my current best idea, it is the first day and take that with a grain of salt. Given you agree this was "objectively poor for town", then unless you can point to activity that is more objectively bad for town, my vote lands here.

Let's assume james is vt (entirely possible), then by claiming vt, he saying him as vt surviving another day is more valuable to town than a town PR lasting another day? If he is truly vt and sacrificing town win equity for self preservation, which seems to be his stated reason, that would (1) be against site rules and (2) be a behavior all town have a duty to self regulate against. Otherwsie, are we telling scum they can freeing engage in town-harming behavior without consequence?

I'm certainly open to being convinced otherwise, but given that "in principal that claiming vt as early as this is objectively poor play as town", the burden, to me, seems to rest on justifying a vote elsewhere.

In post 544, Leaven wrote:Well. Salsa's self-vote was disappointing. Is there ever a good reason to hammer oneself as town? James was an interesting NK - if town wins, he'll be the hero.

I do agree we need a very good reason to move off of GM or Ythan though. I actually would like to fully explore GE, before moving forward with Ythan. This is not a real defense of Ythan (outside of that too scummy to be scum vibe), but rather simply that GE did more of the rounding up of the wagon while trying to maintain the appearance of town. Ythan, imo, just rubbed many the wrong way and I read both sides of that vote as more emotional (see Salsa getting fed up and self-hammering in the heat of the moment) compared to GE's case which was more deliberately executed. Also, I worry that given the day, GE would be able to sell me a bridge.

VOTE: GammaEmerald

I've been trying to think through the implications of presenting this case, because as much as I caveat, I can't get away from this reading as a Ythan defense and tbh who would want to defend Ythan here. It's such an easily and defensible vote.

In post 592, Leaven wrote:Summarizing. Dont mean to put words in anyones mouth so please correct me if mistaken or if your sentiment has changed.

Ythan:
Val (or Clsr)
Gamma (self preservation)
*Strange (or Gamma)
**Dannflor (? if refusing to vote GE now)

Gamma:
Leaven
Clsr (or Val per rankings)
Ythan (self preservation)
*Strange (or Ythan)
**Dannflor (changed mind)

Assume gamma and ythan would vote to save each other. Dann was on gamma, not sure if would vote ythan to save gamma now though. Regardless, this reads that gamma/val needs both strange AND dannflor or ythan/clsr/leaven needs only one of strange OR dann.