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Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE
Green Cap Boys, The Emperor
Bingle
mastina
RCEnigma
Titus

The Limit Does Not Exist, Fairy Circle, T3

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In post 667, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:um, I’m not… mad…? where did I express anger at you specifically for your read?

I also wouldn’t characterize any of what I said as “throwing a fit,” I just vehemently disagree with mastina’s stance and she refuses to explain it, and it makes me tired to even imagine arguing with her to change her mind, but without her explaining what she thinks is scumclaiming the ideas I posted are all I can imagine that she means by that, which I, again, don’t see as being a scumclaim at all

In post 659, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:cool. bye.

this felt like anger. in retrospect, maybe not flat-out anger, but at least annoyance. that kind of feels misplaced, because idk, are you really surprised that i'm not townreading you / calling you out?

describe it how you wish, my point is that even now you're focusing on that one issue and not on anything else, and it somewhat feels like a tactic to not talk about anything else.

In post 669, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:can you explain what about my prior posts made you think “scum annoyed for being pushed”?

i dunno. 529-533 just feel off to me. like the "sorry i can't pretend" part felt like it.

In post 671, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:but also, if these are the two options that I can make happen atm, I don’t see why I should bother engaging with you further because it seems like you’ve made up your mind that all of the modes I can be in are scummy

like i cannot put this into words right now but this feels so off. like it's obvious what i'm finding scummy about you and the fact you're going "oh you've made up your mind about me!!" like yeah hammering at the one take you have and being annoyed at people not townreading you isn't townie?

In post 672, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:maybe I should have just ignored your post completely then, but I felt like I was going to get flak for not responding to you so I decided to respond to it. would you have found it more or less suspicious if I ignored you completely?

no clue. i don't love your responses, but they're only a part of the problem. not sure how i would've felt if you ignored me.

-D

what do you want me to do, blow up into an argument with you? this clearly isn’t going anywhere that will get you to a place where you’re correctly reading me, why should I waste more of the little energy I have trying to argue with you about my being town when it will become clearer if you just leave me to do my thing?

i'm just responding to what you've asked. like i'm not pushing you to die right here and right now, and as i said i understand irl is a bitch sometimes. go get some rest, return when you're feeling like playing mafia.

-D

In post 655, Titus wrote:I can't really discuss this without knowing what you mean by guardians. Meta is crap.

This game. And no it isn't

-S

In post 472, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 471, T3 wrote:

In post 51, ta vera wrote:

In post 8, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

I don't know. I could see scum looking at the rules or whatever and realizing 'wtf I don't have a nightkill better townslip '

Why would exactly that be my first thought if i was scum?

Yeah, that's a yikes. Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian?

In post 478, T3 wrote:

In post 103, Green Cap Boys wrote:I have Thoughts on the setup but will not be discussing them until later as I'd rather play things out normally for a bit rather than get bogged down in mechanical arguments.

-R

Townpost. Secretiveness with reads is almost always towny.

Squinting your eyes there to see mech as reads, buddy

In post 482, T3 wrote:

In post 141, ta vera wrote:what about the back and forth between me and The Emperor? mechanics talk isn't the only thing that has been happening. it was only a piece for a little bit.

LOOK AT MEEEEE IM POSTING CONTENT
VOTE: ta vera

This is a pretty ugly interpretation of ta vera's post. Even in the case of ta vera scum, I doubt her goal with that question is to make herself look towny by pointing out she's posting content. Strange that T3 reaches that conclusion

No idea what mastina is on about in 495/496

Maybe she's trying to reaction test based on there being no town sample role pm in the OP? I don't think that works though because scum either has one in the scum PT or can ask for one

In post 572, Green Cap Boys wrote:t3, could you talk about your meta read on me? mostly, why you thought i was town and why that one post changed your mind on it?

-D

In the recent games I've played with town!you you're mostly posted 1-3 liners and not quoted other players meanwhile scum!you has responded to other player's posts a lot and walls. You did both this game.

In post 574, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 478, T3 wrote:Secretiveness with reads is almost always towny.

Maybe, but that post was being secretive wrt mechanics, not reads...

-S

Ah, true.

In post 660, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:She never said anything about the scumclaim being due to claiming no potions. Where did you get this from?

She explicitly said I scumclaimed by saying that I had ingredients while asking schadd if there was a way to give ingredients to other people. I asked this because the ingredient I have is useful only in a potion of harmography and I would have immediately tried to instigate the creation of another potion of harmography. This is explicitly not the case as schadd later confirmed via pm that this is mechanically a real semi open (it’s not actually, due to flavored role pms, but whatever) and that there are thus no other town or scum power roles, such as someone who could combine ingredients into potions.

I believe the ‘scum slip’ mastina is going on about is an interpretation based on the absence or presence of ingredients associated with potions in one factions role pms and not the others, which frankly doesn’t make sense.

In order for the formatting of the role pms to mismatch that much, it would have to be a conscious choice by schadd to have scum and town use role pms that are formatted aggressively differently for no reason, which would suggest a conscious effort to make his game breakable by role pm comparison.

In case this is easily solveable via the inclusion of sample role pm’s:



Note: I’m not arguing that this makes me town.

In post 675, schadd_ wrote:RCEnigma replaces ta vera

Wow, it’s been hella fortnights. Welcome to the game.

In post 576, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 491, Bingle wrote:I'm not sure if I'm liking T3 because he's town, or because he's saying all the things I'm saying.

I would definitely be more comfortable with the former. In my experience T3 tends to make equally good points as both alignments, I think?

-S

I've played 1 game with you and that was us as scumpartners so uh I'm not sure where you're getting town!me makes equally good points unless you know I'm town this game.
Although secret alts exist.

In post 591, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 588, Green Cap Boys wrote:right. boring question first - feelings on my slot?

I donut know. I am happy that you stood up for me on my entrance, but I'm not sure you would know how bad that could have gotten if nobody had, so I can't give you that many points for it.

Norwee shitfight has minor TvT vibes, but not incredibly so? I guess "deliberately provoking a fight to distract the thread" is one of those thing that you would do as scum that most people wouldn't, but picking someone who's liable to jump into a tunnel is risky.

I think it's good form that you voted me and then later asked for my thoughts. It shows at least some level of actually caring about having an accurate read on me.

Retti feels like basically a mini-you. Given that, and without experience, I don't trust my ability to read them at all.

Overall maybe mild townlean?

-S

I'm pretty sure I know who Retti is but their play is different to their main so delving deeper into that won't help.

In post 599, Titus wrote:

In post 407, Green Cap Boys wrote:VOTE: Titus

Current strongest suspects are Titus + Limit, but Datisi thought S_S was pinging townie (I didn't see it personally, think they've been quite lacking overall).

I know I just mentioned vaguely suspecting Bingle but he'd be a vaguely distant third suspect I don't feel great about. Maybe I'm just prone to feeling recency bias because he's here and saying things right now. Need to hear more from ta vera, cass.bruant slot needs to exist in the game in some way.

-R

Hmph, noting this seems out of left field and happens to come when I am away.

VOTE: Titus
Every time I read one of her posts I want to post this gif

In post 616, Titus wrote:

In post 508, T3 wrote:

In post 319, mastina wrote:

In post 297, The Emperor wrote:Does Flea The Magician have an alignment preference?

I don't remember this but I imagine the hydra doesn't like scum collectively.

I don't want to eliminate them on D1 even if they're scum tho. <3

In post 316, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I would recommend reading post 1 before you continue claiming that bingle has scumclaimed.

I have read it and I still think that Bingle is scumclaiming for a very specific reason that I shall not elaborate on until Bingle elaborates on the details of his role PM.

That said even if he didn't scumclaim I'd be voting him here anyway because I legit think that Bingle's just scum here.

I'm leaning town on Bingle but it's probably best if I sheep and not make you elaborate. VOTE: Bingle

Why? It's not like mastina's a PR, so why vote a townread?

Titus: elim the 3 nonposters
Me: *votes Titus*
Titus: why vote

In post 637, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Titus
I townread your entire hero solve and the third one is me. Picking three names and none of them being scum is what I think happened here, and I think that is scum!indicative for Titus.

I like this post and I don't know why but I like it.

In post 655, Titus wrote:

In post 580, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 511, T3 wrote:As of page 14 I've disagreed with all of Fairy's reads. .-.

Hmm I think I can see T3 town. This doesn't feel like Guardians!T3.

-S

I can't really discuss this without knowing what you mean by guardians. Meta is crap. From my experience, T3 is more lighthearted as town. I feel I can meta him well, it just has little value.

Guardians of the Fortress, I was scum.

In post 685, T3 wrote:I've played 1 game with you and that was us as scumpartners so uh I'm not sure where you're getting town!me makes equally good points unless you know I'm town this game.
Although secret alts exist.

We've played together more than that, though I think the only time you were town was DEFCON. Regardless, I guess saying you make equally good points is not totally accurate-- really what I meant was that you make good points as scum. I would assume if you can do that you can also make good points as town, though you were pretty exe-baity in DEFCON.

-S

In post 628, Titus wrote:What do you think of my hero solve?

It's possible, I suppose, but I don't think it's particularly likely atm. Of the three I'd be most willing to vote Dwlee.

What are your reads outside of the hero solve? Particularly interested in the mastina read. I'm inclined to think she doesn't go for a "HA! SCUMSLIP!" argument as scum when she would inherently know that I'm not scum and thus that the slip isn't real. There is the possibility that she's leaning into a shitpush to get people to dismiss her as wrongtown here, but that really doesn't feel like the goal behind her posting.

What do you make of T3 individually? I actually think T3 has been fairly town this game. He has a similar presence to the draft game and his conclusions pretty closely match mine. I get that you think he has bad associations with NorDwlee, but is there anything about his individual play you're scumreading?

In post 683, Bingle wrote:

In post 660, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:She never said anything about the scumclaim being due to claiming no potions. Where did you get this from?

She explicitly said I scumclaimed by saying that I had ingredients while asking schadd if there was a way to give ingredients to other people. I asked this because the ingredient I have is useful only in a potion of harmography and I would have immediately tried to instigate the creation of another potion of harmography. This is explicitly not the case as schadd later confirmed via pm that this is mechanically a real semi open (it’s not actually, due to flavored role pms, but whatever) and that there are thus no other town or scum power roles, such as someone who could combine ingredients into potions.

I believe the ‘scum slip’ mastina is going on about is an interpretation based on the absence or presence of ingredients associated with potions in one factions role pms and not the others, which frankly doesn’t make sense.

In order for the formatting of the role pms to mismatch that much, it would have to be a conscious choice by schadd to have scum and town use role pms that are formatted aggressively differently for no reason, which would suggest a conscious effort to make his game breakable by role pm comparison.

In case this is easily solveable via the inclusion of sample role pm’s:

@mod: would it be possible for you to generate a potionless sample town pm and a sample town pm with two pain potions and a potion of harmography? If possible, could you generate the same sample pms for scum, redacting non public information as necessary?

Note: I’m not arguing that this makes me town.

In post 693, Bingle wrote:

In post 628, Titus wrote:What do you think of my hero solve?

It's possible, I suppose, but I don't think it's particularly likely atm. Of the three I'd be most willing to vote Dwlee.

What are your reads outside of the hero solve? Particularly interested in the mastina read. I'm inclined to think she doesn't go for a "HA! SCUMSLIP!" argument as scum when she would inherently know that I'm not scum and thus that the slip isn't real. There is the possibility that she's leaning into a shitpush to get people to dismiss her as wrongtown here, but that really doesn't feel like the goal behind her posting.

What do you make of T3 individually? I actually think T3 has been fairly town this game. He has a similar presence to the draft game and his conclusions pretty closely match mine. I get that you think he has bad associations with NorDwlee, but is there anything about his individual play you're scumreading?

Bingle with the townposting!

Titus's herosolve is entirely based on the fact that I townread Norwee and she hasn't expressed any reasoning for scumreading me independent of that.

I did not think that was good posting but maybe I'm biased cause bingle wants me dead.

At this point I don't think scum Bingle has any need to fake a meta townread on me.

In post 684, Bingle wrote:

In post 675, schadd_ wrote:RCEnigma replaces ta vera

Wow, it’s been hella fortnights. Welcome to the game.

Thanks!

It's been awhile so I might be slow getting back into the swing of things. Also just waking up so I have other priorities but reading up will happen tonight/tomorrow, I'm like halfway through.

In post 693, Bingle wrote:What do you make of T3 individually? I actually think T3 has been fairly town this game. He has a similar presence to the draft game and his conclusions pretty closely match mine. I get that you think he has bad associations with NorDwlee, but is there anything about his individual play you're scumreading?

Disagree. T3 has been hyper serious which is more equal to his scum game than his town game. Compare Situation Room versus Not Quite Normal Multiball.

Most of the conclusions are similar from slot to slot as the game is largely townreading the same block (GCB, Emperor, you, mastina) Midtier (TLDNE, Fairy) and then lurkers/PoE pool.

Each player might add or remove one name or add one name but this is largely consensus. Agreement is not a reason to TR a slot.