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In post 20, Harvey and Haley wrote:VOTE: ManateeGal
I like wagons.

-Harvey

In post 22, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 10, Something_Smart wrote:GeorgeBailey once told me the world is gonna roll me

GeorgeBailey once told me this:

GeorgeBailey

In post 29, Harvey and Haley wrote:Enchant, do you have any particular reason for the Titus vote?

Enchant wrote:Bee is Vigilante 100%.

Why would you reveal that?

-Harvey

In post 37, Harvey and Haley wrote:And here's your Page 2 solve, folks.

{Titus}
{PenguinPower}
{Enchant}
{Flea the Magician, Something_Smart, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever}
{Miss Midnight, House, the worst}
{Gamma Emerald, Bee}
{ManateeGal}

-Harvey

In post 41, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 39, Enchant wrote:Can i counterask.

Why you asking me about reason of vote on Titus, on damn RVS where everyone vote everyone for sake of that.

Because there is a small amount of extra information on the basis of which you can cast your vote.
For example, PenguinPower's vote.

-Harvey

In post 73, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 39, Enchant wrote:Can i counterask.

Why you asking me about reason of vote on Titus, on damn RVS where everyone vote everyone for sake of that.

In post 63, Enchant wrote:If you really want to know.

Titus, because she used 999999999999 and somehow still higher than me.
Dirty play.

Interesting tone in post 39 given you did have a more-than-random reason for the vote.

-Harvey

In post 76, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 58, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 38, Bee wrote:Your list is upside down!

what do you make of me voting manatee then?

Bee's reversed list would put you and ManateeGal towards the top; wouldn't it be more interesting to direct this question towards me?

-Harvey

In post 199, Harvey and Haley wrote:imagine getting outdrafted by memers

haley

In post 202, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 106, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Titus is probably town for picking 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

Scum would probably be a little less careless and pick a 2 digit number which was still very unlikely to be picked, but would beat other meme high picks

Like 53, it would've beaten the 69 meme pick

yeah im on this too
high chance of being right near the end

In post 194, the worst wrote:you said it with your eyes

remember when you thought i was giving you the fuck me eyes? we talked about this, ducky.

In post 200, the worst wrote:does harvey have any reads yet?

im sure he does, but his early reads arent worth listening to
(we haven't spoken yet)

the good:
thor has started off townie
pp offering a read while others reveled in nonsense and/or mech
worst seems to poking people in an inquisitive way with his immediate entrance

FOS: Bee, Gamma

extended off topic is the domain of scum
i dont think i read a single bee post that wasnt fluff or fluff adjacent

on the draft, as others, i'm expecting scum utilised their power not to collide in both phases
phase two feels like the cuter way to int

haley

In post 217, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 202, Harvey and Haley wrote:im sure he does, but his early reads arent worth listening to
(we haven't spoken yet)

the good:
thor has started off townie
pp offering a read while others reveled in nonsense and/or mech
worst seems to poking people in an inquisitive way with his immediate entrance

FOS: Bee, Gamma

You will find, partner, that none of my reads are worth listening to, not just early game I'm here for the vibez

My page 2 reads list wasn't entirely random. The bits of logic Thor posted have almost all contributed to that.

-Harvey

In post 222, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 204, the worst wrote:i did think it was kinda funny that gamma gave a s/o to thor's interactions after completely non-interacting with thor and not actually being able to state any opinions on thor's interactions lol, i'm not sure i'd expect gamma to have entered the ~~zone~~ this early in the game though.

... Is Gamma the kind of player you expect would directly engage someone first before making a read though?

He pointed out that Thor's interactions were a highlight before admitting to the scumread, doesn't that indicate some level of organic thought? The way you phrased this makes his actions seem much more aggressive wrt attacking Thor and refusing to engage.

-Harvey

In post 223, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 200, the worst wrote:you know i nearly submitted 69 or 420 but then decided to just stick with 3

So close, I would've locktowned anyone who picked 69 with us

-Harvey

In post 224, Harvey and Haley wrote:Thor: do you have any content-based reads so far?

-Harvey

In post 229, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 225, the worst wrote:i am pretty sure gamma doesn't actually scumread thor
where are you getting the idea that I thought Gamma was aggressively avoidant? where are you getting the idea that i think gamma is attacking Thor?

The phrasing of your post? Unless s/o doesn't mean... oh wait, "shout out"

"after completely non-interacting with thor"
"not actually being able to state any opinions"

-Harvey

In post 239, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 236, the worst wrote:@harvey have you read gamma's iso?

Yes.

Why the vote on Manatee, too scared of coming @ us tw? :3

-Harvey

In post 247, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 242, the worst wrote:first instinct is that your misread of my post is an authentic misread ~60% of the time and trying to look busy like ~40% of the time. i'm just like, really confused by how you actually got there. i'll meditate on it later.

I was referring to your bad vibes on Haley's post though

-Harvey

In post 250, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 249, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Why did no one pick 1 or 2 if no one else was going for it btw? I went for 11 because it's my favourite number but I would've gone for 1/2 to secure first place had I known

I mean... you don't *know* that no one else is going for it, right? It's reasonable to assume someone's gonna pick it
I'm sure anyone would've picked 1/2 if they knew no one else was going for it

-Harvey

In post 257, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 255, Miss Midnight wrote: There's nothing compelling or convincing that I could tell you at this stage. I just got a towny feeling reading her posts up to that point.

Sure. I don't need compelling/convincing anyway, I just wanna look at the thought processes.

Any thoughts on ManateeGal's reaction (or lack of one) to her wagon?

-Harvey Specter

In post 264, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 102, ManateeGal wrote:do i have anything else of importance to add? also no

Do any of the votes on your wagon look suspicious? Towny? Opportunistic?

-Harvey

In post 265, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 263, Thor Ragnarok wrote:I'd sacrifice all of my friends for a day vigilante

Omg yes if only there was a dayvig in the draft picks

-Harvey

In post 289, Harvey and Haley wrote:Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

In post 296, Harvey and Haley wrote:Choo choo!!

VOTE: Enchant

-Harvey

In post 324, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 317, Miss Midnight wrote:

In post 305, House wrote:Oh, and for anyone wondering why i picked 4 (I remember someone askeda general question about picks), it's my favorite low level number and i wasn't concerned about rolling PR because i don't want my possible miselim for low content hurting town.

Feels like this is trying too hard to justify yourself.

I feel like this is fine, but dropping a vote on Manatee without comment on the quickly formed counterwagon is what feels a bit off to me...?

-H

In post 592, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 335, House wrote:Except for the fact it wasn't without content, whatevs.

Can you quote that comment, please? I meant specifically about Enchant.

-Harvey

In post 595, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 369, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 366, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 289, Harvey and Haley wrote:Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

On page 12? Calm yourself two-face.

Oh yeah I wanted to reply to that
It’s kinda late for an RQS at this point, ngl I kinda think it might be legitimately scummy

There we go, I was wondering if the mere

mention

of RQS would be attacked as scummy without even actually doing it

@House: I acknowledge your comment on Manatee! My tiny concern was about how there was an Enchant counterwagon that formed just before that, and you made the Manatee vote without mentioning your approval of the Enchant wagon.

-Harvey

In post 596, Harvey and Haley wrote:Also, House, you were Shortaru right? Remember me by any chance?

-Harvey

In post 601, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 365, Miss Midnight wrote: Curious comment, considering your clamming-up on the circumstances of Manatee.

Love the alliteration.

@House: Okay.

-Harvey

In post 604, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 508, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Oh, that's not a bad vote. But I think I'd rather go

VOTE: Harvey and Haley

For their early townlean on Thor when Thor wasn't doing anything but setup speccing.

Note that it wasn't simple speculation about the setup.
Thor was making alignment reads based on it - why can't that be considered alignment-indicative?

House wrote:Harvey (and anyone else), i don't think anything productive will come of rehashing the me/Gamma drama wholesale, but if you have specific questions, I'll be happy to address them.

Uninterested unless it's still ongoing.

-Harvey

In post 605, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 522, the worst wrote:I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

In post 514, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What do you guys think about H&H?

:shrug:
What's on your mind?

tw, I was actually expecting you to soul scumread me by now.

-Harvey

In post 607, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 544, the worst wrote:roughly my fourth or fifth choice atm

Did you not say you had a shitty surface level townread on us before? What caused the demotion to 4th/5th choice of wagon?

House wrote: What alignment reads did he make, exactly?

The only thing i found didn't match up with his stated reads or votes.

Sure, some examples:
98: 2 likely scum in group of 5
106: Titus town
228: Unlikely scum slots based on statistical pick history

If the response is that anyone can point these out, I'd argue that anyone could post anything - there's nothing specific to these that make them invalid as a basis for forming an early read.
Can you point out the contradiction between his setup-reasoned reads versus votes? That's more interesting to me.

-Harvey

In post 612, Harvey and Haley wrote:Not sold on the contradictions from positions 2/5/9.

Thor did state it, but likely only as an observation of interest. Draft positions are heavily randomly determined, as opposed to number picks - so I doubt that Thor actually places any stock in that.

But I agree with the next part.

@Thor

, did you have stronger reasoning to vote Gamma than from your earlier likely-containing-scum pools?

-Harvey

In post 614, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 610, the worst wrote:any particular reason why?

Yes, I made a resolution before joining the game that I'd not hopelessly refresh the page every minute and just appear twice a day for a while. I was expecting you would make a comment on my slot's lack of thread energy.

-Harvey

In post 622, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 621, Gamma Emerald wrote: it felt like you were scum who didn’t feel like you had a good entrance available so you tried to float the RQS boat out

That feels extremely hollow given I had plenty of other content by then (that was my 26th post) and around the same time too...?

-Harvey

In post 627, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 623, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:It's easy to conjecture about what numbers scum would pick, but it's not particularly helpful - and their conjectures aren't necessarily accurate. I've seen all 3 scum pick double digit numbers for the express purpose of avoiding number collision, which did end up working out to scum's benefit. This kind of setup spec (or draft spec, specifically) read more like busywork to me. And consequently, giving him a townread in 202 seemed premature.

I'm not arguing about the absolute accuracy of these conjectures, rather how they compare against other tells.

Consider:
"I think X is towny for doing <Y> early in the game!"
"But scum can easily do <Y>"

Any

possible value you can fill for <Y> can be faked by scum and thus not necessarily accurate, especially in early game. That doesn't diminish the value of these reads.
Draft spec is busywork if it leads nowhere, but in his case it had already seemed to set a prior for alignments of certain others.

-Harvey

In post 628, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 624, Gamma Emerald wrote:Has it all been the one head?

I have been signing all my posts -Harvey; are you saying you actually assumed that one RQS post was from the other head?

-Harvey

In post 631, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 629, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I suppose you can say that, but it's not like he voted anyone in his scumpool by that point. How could you tell he was going to follow throughm, or if the draft spec reads even meant anything to him?

I don't really expect immediate consistent follow-throughs but I did assume that would factor into his play in a more meaningful manner, hence my question to him earlier on his Gamma vote when House pointed that out. I don't think that was an unreasonable assumption at that point.

-Harvey

In post 634, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 633, Gamma Emerald wrote:Kinda
I have literally zero ability to tell you two apart by tags

Our posting styles are also different (evidenced by one of my partner's earlier posts), and my partner also packs more content into single posts. This kind of hasty assumption feels unexpected from you.

-Harvey

In post 635, Harvey and Haley wrote:VOTE: Gamma Emerald

-H

In post 657, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 652, Enchant wrote:Helay and Haley

-Helay

In post 669, Harvey and Haley wrote:

In post 369, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 366, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 289, Harvey and Haley wrote:Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

On page 12? Calm yourself two-face.

Oh yeah I wanted to reply to that
It’s kinda late for an RQS at this point, ngl I kinda think it might be legitimately scummy

In post 371, Flea The Magician wrote:kewl, my vote stays where it is for now.

I'll bite. Was your "kewl, vote stays" in response to Gamma's suspicion on my post about RQS?

Did you also happen to assume that my "RQS" post was an awkward entrance from another head? If not, why was mentioning it scummy?

-Harvey

In post 671, Harvey and Haley wrote:Right. And would you be able to describe your dislike of my slot's content?

-Harvey

In post 672, Harvey and Haley wrote:And speaking of pointless filler - your only stated read this game is a scumread of us because you don't like our content.
Any comments on that?

-Harvey

In post 684, Harvey and Haley wrote:Recent events have raised my interest in alt-hunting Thor.

-Harvey