In post 695, Facebones wrote:Val, I'm rather curious as to what your read list looks like.
You think Spangled and myself are the scummiest, right?
Where is Margot on this list?
Correct. In isolation, I think you and Spangled are tied for scummiest - Spangled being scummiest D1, and giving us basically nothing to work with today apart from the fact he seemed to have a decent insight (in the sense that I agree with his conclusions) on why Galron was killed, but basically MIA otherwise; it may well be NAI IRL activity issue, but the longer it goes on, the more it worries me; and you (Facebones), who I think gave us little to work with on D1, but have pinged me as scummy with your posting today.
Margot, and particularly since
646 onwards, isn't all that far behind, though. I think there is an associative between you and Spangled, which I have already explained; and if there is another associative staring us in the face, I think it's between Spangled and Margot, who Townlocked Spangled on what appeared to me as the flimsiest of justifications, and then said she was more convinced about Spangled being town after what she concedes is a "clearly blatantly and obviously scummy post" (
342[/post); and today told us she wouldn't consider a Spangled wagon while telling us explicitly she had no intention of justifying that beyond him being a solid town read ([post]609). After all that, she then purports to forget he even exists. That didn't seem all that genuine.
Looking back at her progression Facebones, and things don't sit quite right either. Her
680 seems to suggest that she only really had a shallow scumread on you, but went hard on it because that's what she does when the game is dead in order to see it it will stick, but then the 3rd part, and only that part, of Rodens town case was sufficient to convince her to abandon that read. In other words, she had given Facebones a fair amount of towncred - enough to move from a scumlean, even one she now tells us was only shallow, to a townread on the basis of what Roden had said about him taking time and effort to look at the previous time Cook proposed her strategy, and to get off the Facebones wagon.
DArby disagrees with the point Roden made, as do I but for a different reason. I thought there is something that all 3 of them have missed, which I have discussed in a fair amount of detail now already. I don't think they have missed it deliberately because it's something that could easily be missed if looking at the ISO out of context. I point it out, and Margot has some sort of weird emotional reaction to that. I would read that reaction again (
647 and
648). Remember, she was apparently holding the same read both myself and DArby (and apparently Thyn, as of
634) not all that long prior to Roden giving his take, although she claims to have overstated the degree to which she was holding it, but now that read is "objectively useless", and so blatantly bad she is on the cusp of going from town reading us both to scumreading us on the back of it? She then, one post later, tells us that actually, she isn't giving Facebones heaps of towncred (??) and actually her unvote on Facebones was supposed to be some sort of magic bat signal to some other slot, and doesn't really indicate what she thinks of his alignment.
I really can't help but shake the impression that there is something strange going on between the three of those slots (Spangled, Margot and Facebones). I'm not sure if Thyn and myself have become the subjects of a chainsaw defense by Margot in respect to Facebones; and that's our scumteam; or if both Spangled and now Margot have TMI'd Facebones as town, despite the obvious scumminess, in the same vein as Cook being scummy AF while flipping town. I still think Spangled is the key to unlocking this game, and I grow more and more uncomfortable with his continued absence after the prod dodge. Whatever happens, I think we gain maximum info from limming inside that pool.
I still like DArby; and I've not been able to get behind any of the reasons I've seen given for scumreading him. I thought his D2 open was a little off, but he seemed to recognise his mistake fairly quickly, whereas I think scum would have persisted with that a bit longer, particularly as it appears Thyn was also buying into the NK speculation for a short while. I would like to probe Roden a bit more, particularly around his towncase on Facebones, and I am not exactly thrilled he appears to have gone MIA right now, but if he really has gone on vacation, I'm not about to start scumreading him for it. He remains a townlean for me currently. Thyn has earned himself a slight townlean over the course of D2 as well, but that's based on gut more than anything really concrete. It's a pretty difficult ISO to sort, particularly being as heavy as it is on the questions, but it's notable how Thyn has been one of the few slots to engage with me on subjects such as the justification or otherwise of Spangleds' D1 FB read, even if we have come to different conclusions on the matter.
