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So I understand any saltiness.

In post 671, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 669, Prism wrote:Very indifferent to recent events, and very low motivation.

RH9's posting lately is closer to his town posting but is just a complete enigma to try and read for alignment.

Thoughts on GL?

I didn't like their reads post and how much it centered on me/Cabd being T/S but I remember liking the rest. I'll revisit.

In post 660, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 658, Datisi wrote:my turn.

In post 577, Datisi wrote:@lld. also, do you currently have any preference on who you pair with?

I want to pair with someone that I read as town and force an interesting choice about who gets shot, but I'm also interested in shoving more obvious townies together because I'm never going to reach 100% townread status just based off who I am.

So... someone who will be able to work with me for a while, not afraid of death and understands we're going to have a hard time if the game requires us to live to the end instead of just dying given that situation.

Ye asked and I delivered, no follow up?

In post 623, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Kay, so, some morning thoughts.

GL's response is atrocious. I was intentionally a little more aggressive than I needed to be, and the reply from GL's bad post came with "you can't know if I'm scum or not you haven't played with me!" Which is first off, a "caught for the wrong reasons" kind of response, but is also deflecting pressure in a very scummy way.

Then GL proceeds to post like 50 more times, including saying things like "trying to see a mind meld with Catboi is scummy because you're trying to hand out town points" (while then admitting they themselves do it too, but this one is different because *handwave* reaaaaasons)

Which is flailing, essentially. They're attempting to discredit me as a possible person who would push them before I even setup, using flimsy arguments and developing from "you can't read me" to "you're scum, but when I do it I'm not!"

In truth, I was only so-so confident on a GL scum read, and this was mostly a reaction test, which GL failed.

Catboi gets to pass though, since while that is not even REMOTELY what I was thinking wrt to the post, I'd have been far more concerned if Catboi had come closer to what I was thinking, which was essentially:

"GL's post contains approx. 200 words about reads he's "not confident in" and nothing about reads he calls town, and even LESS than nothing about reads he calls scum.

Additionally, GL's "scum" reads are within the zeitgeist of "people in danger". People have displayed concern over Marci and over Cabd, so getting on that wagon felt very easy, and without any level of words to split hairs about WHY GL felt that way, it felt to me like GL was just trying to skate on by.

GL's reads post, in essence, doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a town perspective (but has come from town before, hence the lack of confidence). So I feigned a little confidence, and got the reaction I thought might happen, which was flail and panic into even more nonsense.

GL is scum, go read GL's post, my answer and GL's resulting reactions, I'm hoping people will see what I see.

hahaha wow. Okay.

So first - you say you were intentionally aggressive because you Weren't Actually Sure that my post was Scummy and so you wanted reaction test, and my response was "if you think that I can't write that post as town, you don't know me well", and that means I "failed"? I was entirely correct, I am town, I wrote the post, you said town!me doesn't write that post, then you say "well ackshually I wasn't sure about it", how am I the one talking "nonsense" here?

Second, this is a lot of misreppy bullshit. I didn't post 50 times, I posted a set of 4 posts (of which only 1 was a response to you), then came back to the thread a lil later and posted another 7 posts (of which only 1 mentioned you). Like, why are you counting posts where I'm talking to Datisi directly in response to posts he made towards me while we were both online? Why are you counting posts I made towards marci?

let's review - "FLAILING", according to LLD:

In post 571, GuiltyLion wrote: frankly I think you just do not have enough experience with me if you genuinely think town!GL doesn't write that post

eagerly awaiting an explanation when you return

In post 582, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 566, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:To be honest, if you really HAD mind melded with me on my dislike of the GL post, I'd feel a lot better about your alignment.

Also I'm thinking about this more and it rubs me the wrong way, like LLD is trying to bribe catboi with townpoints if he scumreads me

I guess if I'm being self aware that's something I definitely do as town sometimes (hand out towncred when people share my scumreads) but it's inherently a little manipulative when done so explicitly and I certainly don't like being the target of it

You also did a lot more than a simple discredit, you already proposed in 555 that I'm the lady that gets iced out, and started attempting to butter up catboi when he didn't initially bite. Don't downplay what you did. This wasn't a "hmm, I don't like that GL post" that prompted me to respond and suspect your intentions, this was a "town never writes that post" and a "GL should be iced today".

Finally, your actual issues with my post are pretty stupid too. The entire premise of your dislike is 1) I didn't substantiate/elaborate on my reads and 2) my scumreads feel too consensus-y. To which I'll point out that the point of the post was never to be a detailed readslist, Datisi specifically asked what my reads were in 316 and I wanted to give him a snapshot of my current view of the gamestate. The idea that I won't or can't substantiate my reads is, again, nonsense, I am always willing and able to do so and I have done so on many of those reads throughout my ISO. Which brings me to point 2, I have suspected marcistar all game since 92, I explained immediately that I agreed with Prism re:Cabd in 303 (bonus: there's an explanation in that post on me read! wow!), and I talked about why I was reading Andante, the most novel/important read, in the very post you dislike. Your accusations are thin and hollow and I think you know that, which is why you felt the need to add this bit of "well I kinda exaggerated last night, I wasn't actually sure, but NOW I'm sure" - we both know that my post is easily understandable as a post Town Might Make.

I think you're scared of me.

Ahahahaha

In post 677, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Ye asked and I delivered, no follow up?

not much to follow up there. i your answer, but i'm not sure it's exactly ai, or too difficult to fabricate for scum!you. i was wondering if you could name any names that you think fit that description, but my attention got caught elsewhere, and then i kinda forgot. so you can answer that, i guess.

In post 678, GuiltyLion wrote:I think you're scared of me.

That is, ah, a pretty wild assumption.

In post 681, catboi wrote:That is, ah, a pretty wild assumption.

why else say that I should be the one excluded and write up a giant wall of BS to justify it? either she's town and scared of me as scum and feels the need to make weird reaches to push her view, or she's scum and scared of me as town and already setting up to discredit me/get me out of the game.

In post 680, Datisi wrote:

In post 677, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Ye asked and I delivered, no follow up?

not much to follow up there. i

like

your answer, but i'm not sure it's exactly ai, or too difficult to fabricate for scum!you. i was wondering if you could name any names that you think fit that description, but my attention got caught elsewhere, and then i kinda forgot. so you can answer that, i guess.

Not sure I have a whole lot of people on my list. RH9 wants to pair with me which is interesting cause they are arguable limbait which would be interesting.

I'm interested in pairing with you because I feel like I'm getting into your brain meats and if I can sort you to my comfort its a good pair to bounce ideas off of.

Beyond thay havent really thought about it. I would also do Taly but I think Taly/Cabd is a good idea so

In post 682, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 681, catboi wrote:That is, ah, a pretty wild assumption.

why else say that I should be the one excluded and write up a giant wall of BS to justify it? either she's town and scared of me as scum and feels the need to make weird reaches to push her view, or she's scum and scared of me as town and already setting up to discredit me/get me out of the game.

I...

Ahahahahahahaha

also trying to break up a Datisi/GL powertown pairing, trying to buddy catboi, trying to sneak scum!Cabd into the dance by arguing to pair him with Taly... lotta scum agenda I'm seeing in LLD's GL push

In post 685, GuiltyLion wrote:also trying to break up a Datisi/GL powertown pairing, trying to buddy catboi, trying to sneak scum!Cabd into the dance by arguing to pair him with Taly... lotta scum agenda I'm seeing in LLD's GL push

I don't see you as town so the first point is not an actual point. It's your own bias.

Not buddying catboi, was explicitly testing for their alignment.

I also think Cabd is scummy but I'm less certain about it than I am with you. Additionally, my logic about how this pins down cabd while helping town if cabd is town has been explained.

You are putting a lot of self bias conjecture into this OMGUS of yours.

In post 580, marcistar wrote:made me want to rant about the people me and lily play with.. but i wont.

i think i generally get more sarcastic when im stressed/bored tho, i dont think its a main part of my personality usually
in the way ur looking for guilty lions.. if its typical marci style..
shes gonna compare it to people who i fucking hate. people who i purposefully get snippy at because theyve done too much, that i cant be nice.

in the me + lily era there, i ignore their "main bandwagons of the day" and their "town cores" and just vote who i genuinely sus, meanwhile nowadays i do sort of the same thing but i literally just..
vote and then leave and only explain if someone asks :/

For what it's worth, I would advise not overreacting to expressions of suspicion in pre-dance, it's not worth worrying about until votes are on the table. (let's call this the Roden effect). Just keep playing and doing your own thing, and if you are town I should be able to figure it out eventually. ( ﾟ▽ﾟ)/

In post 685, GuiltyLion wrote:also trying to break up a Datisi/GL powertown pairing, trying to buddy catboi, trying to sneak scum!Cabd into the dance by arguing to pair him with Taly... lotta scum agenda I'm seeing in LLD's GL push

Also why did you speak in third person? "LLD's GL push" as opposed to "LLD's push on me"?

i know it's not exactly the topic of discussion right now, but before i forget, i do wanna point out that i liked galron's 665. kthxbye

Nice, I think I have a hard scum read already

And no it's not Firebringer

I also don't think it's useful to out immediately

In post 686, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 685, GuiltyLion wrote:also trying to break up a Datisi/GL powertown pairing, trying to buddy catboi, trying to sneak scum!Cabd into the dance by arguing to pair him with Taly... lotta scum agenda I'm seeing in LLD's GL push

I don't see you as town so the first point is not an actual point. It's your own bias.

Not buddying catboi, was explicitly testing for their alignment.

I also think Cabd is scummy but I'm less certain about it than I am with you. Additionally, my logic about how this pins down cabd while helping town if cabd is town has been explained.

You are putting a lot of self bias conjecture into this OMGUS of yours.

I explained why it was buddying catboi, you functionally said "hey I'll townread you if you agree with me on GL". how is that an alignment test? catboi is scum if he disagrees with you and sees me as Town?

second, it's only really "bias" if I'm town, no? Why do you think me "putting self bias conjecture" is something that indicates that I'm scum?

as for your third person question... I don't think I even know? It's just how I said it. why does it matter?

It isn't "if you agree with me on GL" and you know it?

It was more nuanced than that, and they had already indicated their understanding of my view point... Which was the point of the test

You are really digging to try ans get out of this aren't you?

In post 603, Firebringer wrote:I actually don’t understand anyone townreading me and yet I’m not concerned that much about any of them. Kind of strange usually when I don’t understand I get like fos eyes and right now I’m like “meh”

Maybe scum think it won’t matter to throw town reads at me because they expect me to suicide anyways
Who knows

You just can't help yourself from being towny. That or you're on a highly motivated scumteam.

In post 607, RH9 wrote:I agree with this so much. Mindmeld moment! Andante is so getting a TR from me.

This is going to sound extremely dumb but I feel like the exclamation mark is the scummiest thing RH9 has posted.

In post 610, Firebringer wrote:Catboi -the heavy (guy actually has larger scumrange from my memory and could pocket a lot of people and I’m watching him….well a bit. I read most of what he is saying)

>He doesn't know

I have a bunch of things I want to try on this setup as scum but sadly have not been given the opportunity to this game.

In post 689, Datisi wrote:i know it's not exactly the topic of discussion right now, but before i forget, i do wanna point out that i liked galron's 665. kthxbye

Eh, I could see that thinking on a conventional setup, but in a quasi-nightless game?

someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

In post 690, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Nice, I think I have a hard scum read already

And no it's not Firebringer

I also don't think it's useful to out immediately

How would you feel if I asked you to dance right now

In post 469, angielily wrote:Save the Dragons
Also Save the Dragons, at post #215 why did you not think Anadate is not scum anymore? Also why do you scum read marci now? (not sure if you explained it )

maybe i'm a sucker for a good ATE

i feel she doesn't make that post as scum i could be wrong but it just feels authentic

as for marci i just am getting that vibe

In post 695, Ydrasse wrote:someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

why don't you play zac

In post 492, Galron wrote:STD seems whimsical for the first time ever and I don't know what that means

wow i'm always fun