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In post 674, Roden wrote:I did more than vote you, I gave a reason for it. GL did the exact same thing. The problem is not that you scum read him for it, but that you were very aggressive towards him for it, but not me. We made similar reads but you only engaged with him about the read. Anything you engaged with me about was very specifically about other players.

In post 672, humaneatingmonkey wrote:remember: GL scumread me but didn't vote for me because he thought Dwlee was worth pressuring. The problem is: He already progressed that read to null, but backtracked to justify the vote parking. I see him dictate that "I just made one comment how could that be changing my read!" but one comment is enough to signal that your read has changed. So he was parking his vote on dwlee even though his scumread was yelling at his face for a full page. it didn't matter if he changed his behavior around my slot. the initial reaction was all i cared about.

though i'm gonna review what else happened with the rest of the day to get a better picture of the game.

In post 675, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 674, Roden wrote:I did more than vote you, I gave a reason for it. GL did the exact same thing. The problem is not that you scum read him for it, but that you were very aggressive towards him for it, but not me. We made similar reads but you only engaged with him about the read. Anything you engaged with me about was very specifically about other players.

what? were you expecting me to scumread you just for voting me? is that what you think is my reason for scumreading GL?

Roden wrote:The problem is

not

that you scum read him for it, but that you were very aggressive towards him for it, but not me. We made similar reads but you only engaged with him about the read. Anything you engaged with me about was very specifically about other players.

In post 673, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 650, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 649, ShadowGirl wrote:

In post 645, Dwlee99 wrote:I made no posts between these two. Koba just made a joke about not listening to other people at all when I asked them to consider they could be wrong :^)

Do you mind giving me your current reads of the players (town/scum/null)?

@tictac: Do you mind giving me your thoughts on my other post to you, re: Meuh?

HEM/Gamma scum

NK/Marci/Koba one scum

your reads are trash

In post 674, Roden wrote:Furthermore, you actually town read GL for his behavior/reads/town motivation at first, and only swapped over to scum reading him when GL wouldn't budge and others began to openly call GL scummy. You didn't revert back to calling him town again until after his wagon died down.

In post 678, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i didn't scumread him for his scumread on me. i scumread him for his activity despite his scumread on me. see the difference?

In post 677, Roden wrote:

In post 675, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 674, Roden wrote:I did more than vote you, I gave a reason for it. GL did the exact same thing. The problem is not that you scum read him for it, but that you were very aggressive towards him for it, but not me. We made similar reads but you only engaged with him about the read. Anything you engaged with me about was very specifically about other players.

what? were you expecting me to scumread you just for voting me? is that what you think is my reason for scumreading GL?

Roden wrote:The problem is

not

that you scum read him for it, but that you were very aggressive towards him for it, but not me. We made similar reads but you only engaged with him about the read. Anything you engaged with me about was very specifically about other players.

In post 678, humaneatingmonkey wrote: scum would keep their vote on dwlee for multiple reasons. 1) it was safe 2) it doesn't have to build consensus from group up (by voting me) 3) it can still develop into a limmable wagon

In post 680, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 674, Roden wrote:Furthermore, you actually town read GL for his behavior/reads/town motivation at first, and only swapped over to scum reading him when GL wouldn't budge and others began to openly call GL scummy. You didn't revert back to calling him town again until after his wagon died down.

wouldn't budge where? what did you think was i trying to do there?

In post 290, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 287, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you cant seriously think dwlee wakes up and become instantly pressured by the votes in his wagon. do you?

In post 288, humaneatingmonkey wrote:why dont you vote me instead and push me if you really think im scum. let's see how you can sustain that.

3 votes are more pressure than 2. and there's no telling what will happen if they come back, make a scummy post and people point out that it's scummy, then Dwlee might pick up even more votes

I'm not vibing with the attempt to control my vote here, all this is doing is making me feel like you want me to move my vote off of Dwlee. I'll push you if and when I see fit

In post 350, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 334, humaneatingmonkey wrote:even if you're not convinced and you nullread him at best, your vote could be productive as it would lead to a gamestate where we have actual wagons.

[pushes GL to vote him instead of Leading Wagon Dwlee]

[then posts this]

are you even hearing yourself???

In post 334, humaneatingmonkey wrote:lion thinks dwlee is scum for being "frozen" (not being able to reply as soon as, a thing made up by koba through their reaction test) and being overly defensive (which he also later realized that it could just be personality). sound like he null reads dwlee, right? (he later reinforces that he finds Dwlee still scummy for these reasons, backtracking on his progress on the slot).

meanwhile, he scumreads me but refuses to do more with my slot than slinging questions on my alignment. why? because he still wants to pressure his nullread Dwlee (whose wagon has fizzled out). why won't he pressure the scum that — in his town!POV — dragging his town name to the ground and engaging him right to his face? the answer is he's not town, and he's trying hard not to escalate.

even if you're not convinced and you nullread him at best, your vote could be productive as it would lead to a gamestate where we have actual wagons.

In post 685, humaneatingmonkey wrote:what would your reaction be if i just straight up tell you now that i'm town. would this save you energy? or do you know this after all?

you're barking up the wrong tree

In post 687, humaneatingmonkey wrote:consider that i flip town. what does that mean for your game here?

In post 623, Not Known 15 wrote:Koba, Gamma: Why did you move off GL and hopped on a Roden wagon? Yes, I know that you SR both.

In post 690, Gamma Emerald wrote:My brain has been churning and I think I am at the point where I agree with Roden’s idea that the game being stagnant when it was indicates GL is town. That doesn’t really alleviate my feelings on Roden tho, it just affects how I see GL

In post 695, humaneatingmonkey wrote:what do you think about Meuh's read on Roden, NK15? When I read it, it does make sense that it's more probable that Roden is town here for defending GL.

In post 689, humaneatingmonkey wrote:tell me about your other reads