Micro 1059: Micro & Normal Stuff | GAME OVER

[Donempire]

Ok reading Done's post again I feel like the only point I can get out of it is

The gamestate is stagnant so the people who are posting and trying to change that are wolves

How is this reading incorrect because that's all I can get out of it

Gamestate is stagnant despite being a lot of posts therefore at least one of the active players are helping stagnate discussion

[Datisi]

i was more interensted in the scureads

[scamper]

Or i will just make a short anectode showing why she can both be genuine in her anger and still be scum.

Back when i was still inexperienced i rolled scum in a newbie game. It was going very well and i was universally townread. I was also doing jackshit to help town, so win win for me. Then someone started tunneling on me for reasons i thought were complete bullshit (didnt recheck it to see if it was, i just remember being pissed about it). And he just would not let go of his tunnel on me. At that time, i was furious not just because he was right on me being scum, but because his argument made no sense and he just got a lucky guess. So we went on a tirade that was very childish of me but was still genuine, and i came out of it being townread even more. The reason was everyone thought my anger was genuine, which it was, so it made me town.

When you overlay my example with her case, it fits somewhat. Shes getting pissed because someone she views as coasting through the day without giving any effort now finds her suspicious. Shes getting angry at being scumread, but moreso by being scumread specifically by meg. I think scum!ari would believe meg doesnt deserve to have the correct read, just like i thought in my game.

I will not lynch aris replacement today, and my read wont carry over to her replacement. I wanted to point this out for anyone tring her for this reason.

you're just wrong here, i'm sorry

you can ague that in a generalized case tilt is not always scum-indicative but in particular the way ari went off is just not scum-indicative, because in between the insults she was making criticism of megs logic that were basically entirely valid

in fact this is pretty lazy shorthand to just go anger=scum

[Donempire]

Like if you think the gamestate is stagnant and people aren't doing shit and that's because wolves want it that way

Wouldn't you suspect wolves are maybe just maybe the people not doing shit?????

Like idk dude maybe I'm an idiot but that's what I would think

No, if the wolves were two inactives like meg and phoenix for example then the 3 active players would be trying their hardest to solve the game, and therefore discussion would be moving at a steady pace.
Thanks for this question though, i think this means ari is more likely to be town. You seem to exist just to sidetrack questions, she was engaged in something all the time of her own volition. Maybe it was a good thing i gave up on wagonig her.

[Ausuka]

Ok so like

You say I'm scum, with dstisi

Scamper pressures you on why this is

You talk about why the miller claim is suspicious? And now you're apparently deathtunneling me

If I'm wrong about the miller claim being the reasoning, why is it because that's all I have to work with

Pedit: okay except like, if you read my posts I was very much not acting to stagnate discussion, I was pushing phoenix galron slot and I really don't feel like dstisi was either so like I don't get why you're being so rigid about this

Like. At the time you were saying this I am pretty sure Aristeia was directing the discussion to how good she is at catching scum. If you want a culprit to pin that on read the actual posts instead of generalizing and it's there. Except like, we've already discussed this and I voiced my suspicion of this exact thing. And came to the conclusion it could be town Ari doing that because Datisi said it's within her town meta.

Like I don't understand why you're not looking at the actual posts here

[MegAzumarill]

Or i will just make a short anectode showing why she can both be genuine in her anger and still be scum.

Back when i was still inexperienced i rolled scum in a newbie game. It was going very well and i was universally townread. I was also doing jackshit to help town, so win win for me. Then someone started tunneling on me for reasons i thought were complete bullshit (didnt recheck it to see if it was, i just remember being pissed about it). And he just would not let go of his tunnel on me. At that time, i was furious not just because he was right on me being scum, but because his argument made no sense and he just got a lucky guess. So we went on a tirade that was very childish of me but was still genuine, and i came out of it being townread even more. The reason was everyone thought my anger was genuine, which it was, so it made me town.

When you overlay my example with her case, it fits somewhat. Shes getting pissed because someone she views as coasting through the day without giving any effort now finds her suspicious. Shes getting angry at being scumread, but moreso by being scumread specifically by meg. I think scum!ari would believe meg doesnt deserve to have the correct read, just like i thought in my game.

I will not lynch aris replacement today, and my read wont carry over to her replacement. I wanted to point this out for anyone tring her for this reason.

you're just wrong here, i'm sorry

you can ague that in a generalized case tilt is not always scum-indicative but in particular the way ari went off is just not scum-indicative, because in between the insults she was making criticism of megs logic that were basically entirely valid

in fact this is pretty lazy shorthand to just go anger=scum

Thats not the point at all.
You really give the impression of going out of your way to misunderstand people. This is at least the third entire player you've done this too.

[Donempire]

you're just wrong here, i'm sorry

you can ague that in a generalized case tilt is not always scum-indicative but in particular the way ari went off is just not scum-indicative, because in between the insults she was making criticism of megs logic that were basically entirely valid

in fact this is pretty lazy shorthand to just go anger=scum

Xd
Just wagon ausuka, not gonna bother with posting after this comment

[Datisi]

But it shouldnt matter because after his last few posts i am more and more leaning town on datisi.

why

@don

@don

[MegAzumarill]

Ok reading Done's post again I feel like the only point I can get out of it is

The gamestate is stagnant so the people who are posting and trying to change that are wolves

How is this reading incorrect because that's all I can get out of it

Gamestate is stagnant despite being a lot of posts therefore at least one of the active players are helping stagnate discussion

In theory this could work but you should be able to narrow down which discussions were actually stagnating.

[Donempire]

Ok so like

You say I'm scum, with dstisi

Scamper pressures you on why this is

You talk about why the miller claim is suspicious? And now you're apparently deathtunneling me

If I'm wrong about the miller claim being the reasoning, why is it because that's all I have to work with

Pedit: okay except like, if you read my posts I was very much not acting to stagnate discussion, I was pushing phoenix galron slot and I really don't feel like dstisi was either so like I don't get why you're being so rigid about this

Like. At the time you were saying this I am pretty sure Aristeia was directing the discussion to how good she is at catching scum. If you want a culprit to pin that on read the actual posts instead of generalizing and it's there. Except like, we've already discussed this and I voiced my suspicion of this exact thing. And came to the conclusion it could be town Ari doing that because Datisi said it's within her town meta.

Like I don't understand why you're not looking at the actual posts here

I'm sorry, you're right i've only given you the miller reasoning. I'll do a case tomorrow

[Ausuka]

Ok whatever I think I'm doing the thing again where I post in response to someone pushing me too quickly and it creates a balloon of posts

The idea that I am sidetracking questions is absurd. like just by questioning this weird logic I'm mafia because how could anyone doubt the almighty gamestate read.

I am going to take my leave from this thread for now

My instinct is still that done is town playing town weirdly but not sure

[Datisi]

don answe my quesiton plese

[scamper]

The idea that scum doesn't get frustrated is baffling.
Take NQNM II for example. The same kind of frustrating blowup in a 1v1. Both sides of the argument were scum (on different teams)

I think a noteworthy part of the exchange is that it took a lot of the exchange before ari presented any suspicions about me being scum which feels like something that could be an easy conclusion to make as town in her position.

It's worth consideration imho.

this is not what i am saying

i am saying the way ari acted in particular is very strongly town-indicative

[scamper]

Ok so like

You say I'm scum, with dstisi

Scamper pressures you on why this is

You talk about why the miller claim is suspicious? And now you're apparently deathtunneling me

If I'm wrong about the miller claim being the reasoning, why is it because that's all I have to work with

Pedit: okay except like, if you read my posts I was very much not acting to stagnate discussion, I was pushing phoenix galron slot and I really don't feel like dstisi was either so like I don't get why you're being so rigid about this

Like. At the time you were saying this I am pretty sure Aristeia was directing the discussion to how good she is at catching scum. If you want a culprit to pin that on read the actual posts instead of generalizing and it's there. Except like, we've already discussed this and I voiced my suspicion of this exact thing. And came to the conclusion it could be town Ari doing that because Datisi said it's within her town meta.

Like I don't understand why you're not looking at the actual posts here

I'm sorry, you're right i've only given you the miller reasoning. I'll do a case tomorrow

wonder if you'll actually manage to finish writing this one

[Irrelephant11]

Gamma Emerald replaces Aristeia. Please welcome them!

[Datisi]

scamper

is it just me or are you really sassy this game

[scamper]

Or i will just make a short anectode showing why she can both be genuine in her anger and still be scum.

Back when i was still inexperienced i rolled scum in a newbie game. It was going very well and i was universally townread. I was also doing jackshit to help town, so win win for me. Then someone started tunneling on me for reasons i thought were complete bullshit (didnt recheck it to see if it was, i just remember being pissed about it). And he just would not let go of his tunnel on me. At that time, i was furious not just because he was right on me being scum, but because his argument made no sense and he just got a lucky guess. So we went on a tirade that was very childish of me but was still genuine, and i came out of it being townread even more. The reason was everyone thought my anger was genuine, which it was, so it made me town.

When you overlay my example with her case, it fits somewhat. Shes getting pissed because someone she views as coasting through the day without giving any effort now finds her suspicious. Shes getting angry at being scumread, but moreso by being scumread specifically by meg. I think scum!ari would believe meg doesnt deserve to have the correct read, just like i thought in my game.

I will not lynch aris replacement today, and my read wont carry over to her replacement. I wanted to point this out for anyone tring her for this reason.

you're just wrong here, i'm sorry

you can ague that in a generalized case tilt is not always scum-indicative but in particular the way ari went off is just not scum-indicative, because in between the insults she was making criticism of megs logic that were basically entirely valid

in fact this is pretty lazy shorthand to just go anger=scum

Thats not the point at all.
You really give the impression of going out of your way to misunderstand people. This is at least the third entire player you've done this too.

forgive me if i'm not keen to listen on how i'm "going out of my way to misunderstand people" from someone who has difficulty comprehending the meaning of a single sentence

[scamper]

scamper

is it just me or are you really sassy this game

i'm a little annoyed right now

[MegAzumarill]

The idea that scum doesn't get frustrated is baffling.
Take NQNM II for example. The same kind of frustrating blowup in a 1v1. Both sides of the argument were scum (on different teams)

I think a noteworthy part of the exchange is that it took a lot of the exchange before ari presented any suspicions about me being scum which feels like something that could be an easy conclusion to make as town in her position.

It's worth consideration imho.

this is not what i am saying

i am saying the way ari acted in particular is very strongly town-indicative

In what way? I know you've been over this but I think you should restate.

[Datisi]

scamper

is it just me or are you really sassy this game

i'm a little annoyed right now

understandable

get to 670 when you can pls

[scamper]

i dont actually know how to explain this without meta, which i have been trying to avoid

but this is town!ari, i have seen town!ari act in exactly this way on multiple occasions. ari cares too much and she gets worked up about the game and blows up when she thinks someone is playing badly. none of the way she's played this game is how she plays as scum

[MegAzumarill]

Or i will just make a short anectode showing why she can both be genuine in her anger and still be scum.

Back when i was still inexperienced i rolled scum in a newbie game. It was going very well and i was universally townread. I was also doing jackshit to help town, so win win for me. Then someone started tunneling on me for reasons i thought were complete bullshit (didnt recheck it to see if it was, i just remember being pissed about it). And he just would not let go of his tunnel on me. At that time, i was furious not just because he was right on me being scum, but because his argument made no sense and he just got a lucky guess. So we went on a tirade that was very childish of me but was still genuine, and i came out of it being townread even more. The reason was everyone thought my anger was genuine, which it was, so it made me town.

When you overlay my example with her case, it fits somewhat. Shes getting pissed because someone she views as coasting through the day without giving any effort now finds her suspicious. Shes getting angry at being scumread, but moreso by being scumread specifically by meg. I think scum!ari would believe meg doesnt deserve to have the correct read, just like i thought in my game.

I will not lynch aris replacement today, and my read wont carry over to her replacement. I wanted to point this out for anyone tring her for this reason.

you're just wrong here, i'm sorry

you can ague that in a generalized case tilt is not always scum-indicative but in particular the way ari went off is just not scum-indicative, because in between the insults she was making criticism of megs logic that were basically entirely valid

in fact this is pretty lazy shorthand to just go anger=scum

Thats not the point at all.
You really give the impression of going out of your way to misunderstand people. This is at least the third entire player you've done this too.

forgive me if i'm not keen to listen on how i'm "going out of my way to misunderstand people" from someone who has difficulty comprehending the meaning of a single sentence

1. ad hominem
2. You do understand that it looks intentional on your part by a large margin right? At least fault in tour court here. I understand some dissonance from perhaps one style of posting, but its occurred so numerously at this point with three different people with three different types of writing and you still seem to be getting arguments wrong.

It's not a good look. Lack of effort, perspective, or good intent feels almost guarenteed here

[Ausuka]

Gamma I think it would be really funny if you posted that image of the pizza delivery man walking into a room on fire

[scamper]

and yes, i think that has the intention of showing you that you're committing a strawman (which imho you were doing to me, at least at some point), but it doesn't draw the lamist attention to themself. it doesn't help fuel the me/you fight since i'm basically already accusing you of strawmanning myself so it's not new info to the table.

it's not a lock by any means but i do like the post

see, this is what i struggle with because i have no idea how you legitimately think them accusing me of strawmanning u is somehow townie, its a completely random interjection thats easy to make and i have a hard time believing this is something u actually think, it just comes across as a complete tmi read

i mean. it's like. sorry htis is ironic but i feel like you're strawmanning right now. because my point wasn't just "they accused you of strawmnaning" it was the MANNER they did. and tisn not a locktown its like "this is more likely to come from town" idk how else to explain it i feel liek youre overegagerating it again.

i REALLY do not think i'm overexaggerating here it just felt like a bizarre thing to give a townread for

i don't think galron/datisi is like, at all likely. i'm not even super confident datisi is scum i just find a lot of what he says to be *hmm*, like that meg read.

why is that team specifically not likely for you and like, if you think i'm tmi-ing how likely do you think it is i'm scum?

idk anymore

i was like 50/50 but i'm less sure right now

[MegAzumarill]

i dont actually know how to explain this without meta, which i have been trying to avoid

but this is town!ari, i have seen town!ari act in exactly this way on multiple occasions. ari cares too much and she gets worked up about the game and blows up when she thinks someone is playing badly. none of the way she's played this game is how she plays as scum

And yet you are acting like this should be obvious public knowledge? That's my impression from how you have treated this issue with Done and me.

If you are basing this off of personal experience it seems both unfair and unlikely you would try and assume that same kind of conclusion could be made by another.