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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:05 am
by petapan
In post 4437, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4434, skitter30 wrote: In post 4428, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4423, skitter30 wrote:i'm feeling the best abt gammaemerald ydra and dwlee presently, and they definitely should cross
Dwlee was pushing you+infinity? Mostly infinity but you were also part of that (prolly because of your history)
i think they're absurdly tunneled and haven't gotten over a read they made on like p10. they're posting and solving has been good otherwise
If Dwlee is scum I most certainly don’t wanna reward “tunneling” two slots I sorted as town quite early on and
outside of a concern on you via being in a spot I thought scum would be more likely to populate
, have continued to be town for me
wtf?
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:13 am
by petapan
In post 3454, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 3441, Infinity 324 wrote: In post 3432, Gamma Emerald wrote:How much have your reads changed since this point, if at all? How would you rank the players in an exact order of towniest to scummiest rn?
{gamma}
{taly, ydrasse, ulyana}
{cakez, skitt, toog}
{peta, gooey, dwlee}
{gypyx, saber}
i guess this is it, ordered from t->s within the tiers. toog moved up from good posting in the pt, dwlee moved up after thinking about it more because i think i believe their scumread on me, unwnd i felt was being genuine in ex. his interaction with taly towards the end of the last phase, he was trying to solve even though it looked like he was gonna die.
So here's the thing: I mentioned you come off like in that True Love game because on a lark I read that one over because I was also curious if you'd ever misread town!me (and you did, in that game) and you had the scum towards the middle of your reads in that game, while consistently push the T/T pairs. You ended up getting miseliminated which took scum!creature out with you. I think things are lining up in such a way that this game has become a near perfect replication of the trajectory of that game. As such, the midzone of your reads list is honestly where I'd want to kill in the most rn. (Cakez, skitts, toog, peta) are the full list of names I sus based on this conclusion, so I'd very much like to vote out peta here. If that is unappealing to everyone else though, I'd like to try something else, though idk how the math for this would even work, where we deliberately split the votes so it's scum's choice who dies, thus allowing NKA to be done.
In post 3459, Gamma Emerald wrote:my lim order within that pool would be something like toog>peta>skitter>cakez (not factoring in the fact peta is forced to be first technically because I'd rather not have to kill infinity to validate my opinion)
fyi skitter has kinda sank in my reads outside of being in that pool as well
In post 4447, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I feel like I’m more inclined to fall back on my earlier read on you rn
(partly because I feel like peta has a point)
which makes me feel very-not-good about Dwlee
i quoted the last part again but it's worth revisiting: first two posts are when it's locked in to me vs. infinity and i'm screaming bloody murder that skitter is outed for scumreading me
suddenly skitter is falling in his reads, no reason given
then the crossing event comes and i momentarily second-guess my skitter read and he follows behind it
that line i bolded is the type of shit scum love to do all the time. they love to sheep townies' bad reads on their teammates because it keeps them from having to make up their own reasons and be seen as defending them.
and from there he just goes back to townreading skitter after that with no further depth or evaluation and that's all he says on it
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:14 am
by petapan
In post 5109, Gamma Emerald wrote:@toog In this game, yes that’s accurate (though that post looks loaded to suggest I’m scum)
I think you trying to help is good, but your plans do seem very scum-adjacent.
I think Taly has a very good idea in having players who are at each other’s throats but have a good number of people TRing them should cross early so either one can get resolved by getting killed or there can be confirmed scum in a set or town just wins
I think there’s like 3 of those pairs atm (me/Dwlee, gooey/skitts, ulyana/Cakez)
Obviously only two of those can be a part of this plan for now (if 4 go across without a kill and the game isn’t won yet we can discuss sending over the last pair maybe)
Actually writing that I realized that the way MT worded things when it was asked earlier might put a spanner in the works
again trying to backdoor in getting skitter to cross
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:20 am
by petapan
In post 3895, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 3887, Infinity 324 wrote:
this is just so disproportionate/why would gamma have to be bad at reading her to misread her when she just replaced in
I would really like to know that as well. I did a deeper skim on Saber and they were sussing on Gamma, so maybe it’s just omgus?
Still, Gamma should be able to correctly read me, so that’s extremely concerning. Not saying he’s scum but it’s hella weird.
In post 3972, Harley Quinn wrote:
Oh yes, your partner wound up being scum in that. I don’t recall outing my alt in that game to anyone but I think Alisae might have guessed? But if you have any idea, please don’t out it.
In post 4173, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4165, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Maybe he should? Part of the holistic analysis plan is to see what either townflip indicates about how this game has gone. If a Peta town flip were to reveal the entire team, would that not be worth it?
Dafuq am I reading?
In post 4180, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4173, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4165, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Maybe he should? Part of the holistic analysis plan is to see what either townflip indicates about how this game has gone. If a Peta town flip were to reveal the entire team, would that not be worth it?
Dafuq am I reading?
Gamma, you really need to explain this.
In post 4193, Harley Quinn wrote:
Yes but I just skimmed through it and you didn’t make it clear where that comment was coming from, so I assumed it was from the main thread.
In post 4201, Harley Quinn wrote:Gamma, if you have a link or quote to that post. it would really help me. Peta has most of the posts in the blue room and I couldn’t find it.
In post 4203, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4202, Gamma Emerald wrote:I honestly can't tell what the fuck peta sees wrong with saber's posting, actually. idg how it's deflated, I think she had a reasonable post density compared to how much she posted in the main thread before the split decision event came along
Where is this post from Peta? I want to see it. *screaming internally*
In post 4208, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4204, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 3385, petapan wrote:saber initially called out infinity's vote on dunn as a potential bus
this is partly problematic because i think saber's posts in the topic were absolutely fucking wretched but i wasn't going to talk myself out of a vote because a suspect was leading it. unwnd was actually looking at other people briefly before the sub out because he suspected saber and didn't want to vote with her
this is basically the most in-depth peta has gone on the subject so far
Oh thanks. I didn’t see what was wrong with her posts but I’m I obviously care alot more about his and everyone else’s current read on me. It doesn’t affect my read on him, since his posting in the blue room read really solvey.
In post 4570, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4567, Gamma Emerald wrote:Harley did you read at all during the break? I feel like you haven’t really shown much initiative in really making stuff happen
I find this setup confusing as hell, so not going to argue this. I’m town but if I can’t convince anyone of that, I’m okay with being left behind.
In post 4655, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4648, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4646, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4631, Dwlee99 wrote:Here's my reasoning: If Gypyx is town, Harley has a good chance of being scum. If Harley is town then the other way around. Makes sense to put both in then
Very simple, you flip me first because I will flip town and then my reads will get taken seriously. It seems that few people are willing to listen to me while I’m alive, so my reads will get the respect they didn’t once I’m dead and I’m good with that.
???
Dwlee is literally trying to flip both you and your strongest SR
Why this attitude?
I want my reads to get listened too and that can’t happen until I’m dead. I don’t think Dwelee’s scum here if that’s what you’re asking?
In post 4671, Harley Quinn wrote:
What do you want me to say? My predecessor was being an idiot, I’m getting sr for entirely nia things and I’m like over it. I just don’t see the point of continuing to bang my head against a brick wall.
In post 4674, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4672, Gamma Emerald wrote:@ulya I think peta was looking at Saber shading infinity/skitter/Ydrasse
Also getting real tired of you consistently harping on the same shit from me
When I repped in, all I considered was whether or not I thought that slot would be town. What should have thought more about but didn’t, was if they’re reads were good or not and clearly their Infinity/Ydra reads were really dumb.
In post 4676, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4675, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4671, Harley Quinn wrote:
What do you want me to say? My predecessor was being an idiot, I’m getting sr for entirely nia things and I’m like over it. I just don’t see the point of continuing to bang my head against a brick wall.
That’s not what’s going on IMO, I feel like a decent chunk of people are willing to give you a chance
It’s just that the content you’ve chosen to provide hasn’t really felt like what you should be giving
Do you have an actual question for me or not? I asked you for specific quotes. I’ll respond to that. I’m done with trying to towncase myself.
In post 4803, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4760, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4753, Taly wrote: In post 4751, Toogeloo wrote:Here ya go.
My first 4 across would be Cakez, dwlee, Gamma, and then myself, in that order. If no one dies, and game isn't over, well, we at least have something to talk about.
First plan you've given this event that I'm actually pretty OK with.
I’m not. I’d really like to get my top TRs across (myself, peta, Taly, skitter, Ggy)
This plan only just leaves enough room for them and I’d really rather purge as many of my actual SRs as possible rather than people I’m just somewhat worried about atp
How is Ydra not in this list?
In post 4845, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4821, Gamma Emerald wrote:also the plan is still not entirely formed wrt whether we want more or less trusted folks to cross first
as clearly evidenced by you wanting ydrasse (your townread) voted across when me and dwlee are having talks that involve more suspected slots crossing first
I thought we were supposed to vote our most confident trs first. So, should I unvote them then?
In post 4898, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4845, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4821, Gamma Emerald wrote:also the plan is still not entirely formed wrt whether we want more or less trusted folks to cross first
as clearly evidenced by you wanting ydrasse (your townread) voted across when me and dwlee are having talks that involve more suspected slots crossing first
I thought we were supposed to vote our most confident trs first. So, should I unvote them then?
Gamma, why didn’t you answer this?
In post 4912, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4904, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4898, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4845, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 4821, Gamma Emerald wrote:also the plan is still not entirely formed wrt whether we want more or less trusted folks to cross first
as clearly evidenced by you wanting ydrasse (your townread) voted across when me and dwlee are having talks that involve more suspected slots crossing first
I thought we were supposed to vote our most confident trs first. So, should I unvote them then?
Gamma, why didn’t you answer this?
because the topic of conversation moved on (also I didn't see it)
Well I need someone to answer this because I obviously don’t want to put my strongest trs in possible jeopardy.
all these gamma emerald/harley interactions are...so, so, SO,
SO
bad
just...holy fuck
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:24 am
by petapan
i'm not sure harley gives a read on gemerald ONCE? but there's this "why are you reading me wrong NOT SAYING YOU'RE SCUM THOUGH" at the start, gamma tries to get harley a leg up so many times by asking her questions, did you read, i need you to interact with me, harley is like why are you doing these things gamma, it's the lightest of sus but no actual push
Prism would call it Razzies-tier
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:28 am
by petapan
In post 5399, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 5390, Tamora's Angel wrote:I'm going to make a move based on my reading so far. I know the odds of me getting left behind are strong and this game was more voluminous than I expected.
I still feel good about Toog and Skitter being town. I want them across next.
VOTE: Toog
We just had a whole thing where I tracked everyone’s stances on who to leave behind and Toog was definitely one of them, with skitter kinda being decided to be left based on other plans. So I’ll hear this out but it better be good.
In post 5523, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 5486, Tamora's Angel wrote:Mod: You still have HQ in the list to get across.
Gamma, I feel as if you aren't giving me a chance. It's like pulling teeth to get any response from you. I need you specifically because I feel the game is following your lead and not giving anyone in your pool a chance. This is very problematic given the way the first thirty pages played out.
For instance, gooey is clearly scum coasting. That slot (Galron) was already saved once. Yet Gooey isn't in your pool. Scum don't even have to defend him.
Skitter slot was already spewed town, yet you have a blanket conculsion he should die.
Ulyrana has been slanking which exactly matches Toog's prediction and Toog practically called out Dunn but didn't mention his name. Now that the mood is set, Ulyrana posts because there is a consensus to sheep.
This game has largely gone wrong in the spam. Let's slow it down and reevaluate.
Taly isn't the worst choice to go across next though.
I do think your content is okay but I'm not really gonna be swayed from who I want left behind. The best bet for you this phase is to convince me that out of the 5 names I listed, you're the one who should stick around.
In post 5774, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 5681, Tamora's Angel wrote: In post 5680, Almost50 wrote:Oh, OK. THANK YOU @Gammagooey
![:]](./images/smilies/icon_smiling.png "Cheerful Smile")
So, aside from my slot.. what are the reads on everyone else?
Ask King Gamma.
His are the only ones that count. Don't bother reading as a simple reading contradicts the narrative.
Is this talking about me or gooey
Either way, I don’t like your tone.
In post 5777, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 5687, Tamora's Angel wrote: In post 5684, Almost50 wrote: In post 5681, Tamora's Angel wrote: In post 5680, Almost50 wrote:Oh, OK. THANK YOU @Gammagooey
So, aside from my slot.. what are the reads on everyone else?
Ask King Gamma.
His are the only ones that count. Don't bother reading as a simple reading contradicts the narrative.
What do you mean "His are the only ones that count"?? Everyone has their own vote, right?
In theory, but Gamma made it abundantly clear that I was dying regardless of my efforts. Everyone went along despite the obvious reading of the thread. So yeah don't waste your time. You have 80% odds of dying. If you suppose I die, your odds go to 75%.
That is not what I said. I said your best bet was explaining why you should live over A50/FB/Toog/Cakez. 4/5 of those are getting left behind. You wanna avoid the presumes bloodbath, you gotta put in the work.
Also I find it laughable you think everyone is bowing to my reads here. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, INFINITY WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN NOMINATED!
and then tamora's angel comes in, there's acceptance the slot is radioactive waste at this point, it's all textbook last minute bus stuff here, suuuper skeptical of everything, uh uh not good enough, very oddly heightened and like
that entire thing about people bowing to his reads and him getting annoyed with that, it reads so fake, lmao
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:34 am
by petapan
In post 5465, Gamma Emerald wrote:The leave-outs should be 4 of (TA, Gypyx, Cakez, FB, Toog) IMO atp
A lot of people (or at least definitely Taly and me) were upset at the way event 4 played out so imo everybody that isn’t townblock material who is responsible for that should get axed ASAP
this is notable because GE had skitt as a townread and had been wanting her to cross but when she faded and dropped out of the game there was this...folding, just acquiescing to other people wanting the slot to die because of controversy or whatever
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:39 am
by petapan
also in more general terms gamma emerald just...isn't solving, lol. hasn't been for a while. has just been saying things and attacking town with...not a lot of reasoning? and this phase he's been a dead fish other than white knighting taly (which is not a towntell, same as how him defending infinity isn't, in particular because he mostly wanted to deflect the blue room vote onto other towns, him saying he'd do skitter before infinity is meaningless when there was no popular support for the vote in the first place)
again i don't want to pull every post from the start of perfect balance where he's trying to murder a town but...there's a lot. compared to him soft defending both flipped scum slots until the replaceouts made them un-salvageable
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:45 am
by petapan
In post 4818, Harley Quinn wrote: In post 1455, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like let's say this chair thing is something good.
and Gamma is trying to get into the chair because he's a stagehand and he knows the chair is good.[Theory]
Dunnstral is saying the theory is incorrect because Gamma could've just voted himself into the chair but Gamma didn't - hence he can't be a stagehand who wants to get into the chair. [Theory is wrong]
This completely ignores the fact that if Gamma were to vote himself into the chair, and it was something good, Gamma would look hella susp for it, aka the rest of the game when maybe we get a chance to kill him.
So it's not as simple as Dunnstral is making it.
Dunnstral is like
good
at mech, so he should recognize this, but he simplifies it.
That feels informed to me.
Also he ignored Gamma's vote on him completely and chooses to comment on this part without really commenting on actual relevant shit.
I guess I should trust Pooky on Gamma but I want to hear his answer to my Ydrasse question first because I don’t like it that he isn’t voting her.
this fucking post, again
i quoted it once before
"i guess i should trust pooky on gamma"
pooky LITERALLY never gave a read on gamma here
and her method here is...so much different than with everyone else where she just gave some random read based on their posts
why?
because scum love to hide behind townies townreading their partner
it's so totally random
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:03 am
by petapan
In post 6564, Gammagooey wrote:
nyeh heh heh
but also in addition to Gemerald's response to Infinity being wagoned. Does skitter take up the vast majority of page 50 single-handedly derailing a Dunn wagon that Gemerald started if they're both scum together?
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13038098
Does Gemerald continue to try to set up a Dunn wagon as his alternative right before he gets nommed for the Throne of Execution? Does Gemerald waffle on skitter for a bit, leave her as a townread midgame, but ultimately decide to leave Firebringer when he could have brought him through instead of Cakez?
If you think so I'm genuinely interested in your reasons for those in particular
so, returning to this:
the reaction to infinity being wagoned is entirely null, scum whiteknighting town is totally common and he would feel obligated to act upset about his friend getting voted out of the game when he knows they're flipping town
of course skitter derails a wagon on a partner if it's a bus vote because skitter will do powerwolfy shit like try to keep her teammates from throwing the game by voting each other early and force a wagon onto a town, proven track record of doing so. she'd derail a dunn wagon regardless of if it was a bus or not i think, has the benefit of potentially confusing associations later in the game
yes of course he tries to set up a dunn wagon as an alternative, nevermind that he was flopping about and flailing with his vote for a while, he has to realize as scum there's a chance he gets executed and confusing associations is the best thing he can do
i had been dead set on flipping the skitter slot all event, that he comes in with the decisive vote on cakez isn't really clearing because if he does save firebringer he just looks worse further down the line, because firebringer would always get flipped thanks to you + me insisting skitter was scum. firebringer was also doing nothing to advance his position, i wouldn't be terribly surprised if he said to just bus him because he didn't feel like trying and was never endgaming
like, trying to save and protect a partner and turning on them last minute is classic scum bus? if he votes for firebringer to cross there's a chance you and i come in and say "hell no" even though at that moment in time i've basically detached myself from the game due to being disgusted with HQ
i'm also not even sure his trajectory on wanting cakez to cross there makes a ton of sense
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:08 am
by petapan
In post 6015, Gamma Emerald wrote:eh I'm probably at the point where I've seen enough to at least disclose who I want to cross, it's SirCakez
VOTE: SirCakez
I fee like my current view of the gamestate, though still kinda foggy, indicates he's almost certainly town
"my current view of the gamestate" was his only reason
and then he just kinda walked that back in heaven/hell (because there was no one easier to push, certainly not in the townblock)
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:08 am
by petapan
but here's all his posts PRIOR to that about him scumreading cakez:
In post 4705, Gamma Emerald wrote:ig I can kinda see some of the logic on cakez!town from dunn's ISO that peta pointed out but there's also a good bit I don't like from cakez rn so he's still in my lower tiers
next post is gonna be The Plan.
In post 4707, Gamma Emerald wrote:Strong TRs: (GE, peta, Taly)
Weak TRs: (skitter, Ggy)
In flux: (ydrasse, ulyana)
Weak SRs: (cakez, HQ)
Strong SRs: (dwlee, gypyx, toog)
This is where my reads are basically at atp. Up until just recently cakez and gypyx were switched, but I'm heeding peta a little bit on cakez and I remembered something gypyx posted in the blue room that pings quite a bit now that infinity has flipped town.
HURT: toog, gypyx, dwlee, (harley/cakez)
my desired order would be something like
(whichever of cakez/HQ isn't left out)
ulyana
ydrasse
(skitter+Ggy in either order)
Taly
(me+Peta in either order)
if we wanna do most to least towny for the crossing, basically just flip this order
I don't like how he went through events 3 and 4 pretty much at all
I'm also worried about how his reads sound, it's a case of "seems logical but not in a definitively town sense", which I had towards cephrir in Radio Buzz
there's another slot I'm of that opinion towards in this game as well somewhat, but I'm more willing to trust that person than I am cakez
In post 4717, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4708, petapan wrote:1. i'm not sure "seeming logical" is a highlight of cakez's scum play
2. i'm not sure he's actually seemed logical lmao
His reads feel in line with mine to an extent though. So like, you have a point, but because of your point I feel like my Cakez perception is even closer to my perception of Cephrir in Radio Buzz than I did before.
In post 4720, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You very much did even if you didn’t push through scum wagons
You were closer to Among Us!Cakez than DotDF!Cakez
In post 4733, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4723, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea gamma you're gonna have to explain how I'm evil here, especially with fucking toog
You consistently had Toog+Cakez in your lower tiers until you reconsidered post-infinity flip, after which they seem to be middle of the pack, and interestingly you’re more okay with leaving out peta who ranks more towny for you than either of those two than you are with leaving one of those two out.
I looked over those scumgames and it seems you have a bit of a history of half-hearted or late-stage bussing. That tracks with your supposed progression on Toog+Cakez.
In post 4740, Gamma Emerald wrote:I initially was thinking the team was explicitly you/Cakez/Toog but there’s still room for either of those to be town, meanwhile you’re definitely scum because your list for this event is straight up wack
In post 4760, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4753, Taly wrote: In post 4751, Toogeloo wrote:Here ya go.
My first 4 across would be Cakez, dwlee, Gamma, and then myself, in that order. If no one dies, and game isn't over, well, we at least have something to talk about.
First plan you've given this event that I'm actually pretty OK with.
I’m not. I’d really like to get my top TRs across (myself, peta, Taly, skitter, Ggy)
This plan only just leaves enough room for them and I’d really rather purge as many of my actual SRs as possible rather than people I’m just somewhat worried about atp
In post 4776, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 4769, Taly wrote: In post 4707, Gamma Emerald wrote:HURT: toog, gypyx, dwlee, (harley/cakez)
my desired order would be something like
(whichever of cakez/HQ isn't left out)
ulyana
ydrasse
(skitter+Ggy in either order)
Taly
(me+Peta in either order)
Why unsure on
HQ/Cakez
?
HQ has been posting a fair amount and working to rectify things wrt her slot, but I feel like she's not doing the exact right things, and her early posting kinda doesn't sit right with me.
I dislike how Cakez was like "my reads have been good this game" post-Dunn flip in an attempt to push infinity when he was pretty confidently SRing Cephrir, and that ended up wrong. I'm willing to give peta some credit for the Dunn associatives though, it's just not enough and there's also a spiteful part of me that wants to disregard it because my infinity townread was dismissed so readily when I gave it in the blue room. But I don't want to be that petty, so I'm giving the TR some due.
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:11 am
by petapan
of course there are over a thousand posts in between those, but it's all stuff where gamma is talking about the plan or whatever, asking other people about their reads
here's never any indication of where his read on cakez shifts, it's literally just all of a sudden "my current view of the gamestate" where suddebnly he's okay with saving someone who was previously a strong scumread and leaving behind someone who was a townread
the trajectory is utterly fucked. it's not a reason to clear gamma, it's actually one of the many good reasons why he is scum
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:14 am
by petapan
AND ONE MORE THING is that if you look at how gamma treated, say, dwlee, where he had this ridiculous incredibly long tunnel on them, even when people generally agreed dwlee was towntelling and had been responsible for dunn being in the duel, gamma kept pushing them and giving little leeway, it was a very persistent read
whereas if you look at the interactions gamma had with dunn/saber post-chair, there was maybe a little bit of pushing, then an "eh, ok". he was SO MUCH MORE CHARITABLE toward the flipped scum slots than all the townies he was pushing to kill
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:15 am
by Taly
Please don't describe me as erratic. Doubling down would elevate this beyond a game level.
My posts can be bad but I am not the above adjective and it hurts to read.
I feel justified in my behavior and rationale.
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:18 am
by Taly
Also I won't defend myself here. You guys believe I'm scum, congrats, town wins on my death. But I know that won't happen happen I will not campaign against another townread in 5p.
My focus is entirely on the 2
Gamma's
but I will not sit here and be dismissed and ridiculed.
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:30 am
by petapan
ffs
i am not trying to ridicule you
i am being as fair and mild and i possibly can with you
this is what is so frustrating with you, you have the slightest interaction with gammagooey and you start saying you're tilted
i just...don't see the reason for it?
like i'm really trying to give you space here
and i don't like having everything be interpreted as a personal attack
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:32 am
by petapan
and i just spent an entire page of posts burying gamma emerald
so no i don't really think it's you
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:36 am
by Taly
When you say "taly is frustratingly erratic" or anything similar all I hear is "I don't want to try to see the pov that Taly had outlined in front of me"
I've given you my stance and it's not like I've been blowing up this entire game screaming all caps that Gammagpoey is confscum so stop framing it lthat way.
If you really think I'm town here, please don't discount what I save to say.
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:46 am
by petapan
man i am going to come across like an asshole by saying this
but taly, what i am saying is that your pov throws out 200+ pages of historical record for an in the moment read that is based solely on situational things that can easily come from town just as much as scum (and frankly, misrepresent gammagooey in my view).
and i have already demonstrated how that is bad process and leads to things like townleaning firebringer for doing absolutely nothing where the historical record left by skitter was pretty scummy
this is in addition to you, like, leaning into all this emotional appeal stuff which is just confusing from a town pov
i don't want to seem like i'm giving you the freezeout but i do disagree and have to explain why in detail
i do understand if you're town your pov has to be considered but there are also multiple dead towns who were suspicious of gamma emerald and i have to look back and consider those views too
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:47 am
by petapan
and when i give you the floor to make your own case you get unnecessarily hostile
frankly it's exhausting
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:49 am
by Taly
What is hostile about my posts toward you this event?
Why should I bother delving into the mass literature of the game when I don't have the time to and you've already made up your mind?
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:52 am
by Taly
I don't even have time for this convo now. Later.
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:00 am
by petapan
you said me describing you as erratic "hurts to read" and that doing so would possibly be offensive beyond a game level
you accused me of "dismissing and ridiculing you", and you could say the former is true, because i am unconvinced by your analysis, but i believe i have tried to explain why, but i am not ridiculing you
it is irritating to play this game when mild language gets accused of being a personal attack when i am trying to be fair
it's the same with saying gammagooey is tilting you when that post was entirely reasonable
it's like anything that disputes you at all gets accused of being mean and it's impossible to work with
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:13 am
by Taly
I was out of line. I misinterpreted your intentions and wrongly accused you. I am sorry.
But I don't know why you think I'm hosting towards you. I don't know why you think that I've taken everything disputable about me and reactively accused others of being hurtful when that isn't true.
I don't know why you think my take on the recent trajectory of GGY is so fickle and invalid. I don't know how to work with you when load the entire game up with quots "burying" someone I believe is likelier town and then don't talk it out with me when you believe I'm town.
I want to work with you but my problem is: I don't know how, and I feel like I'm being painted as someone irrational and volatile when my indignation wasn't even directed toward you.