NY 213 - Game Over!

[Golden Robster]

V/LA till 24th

will be posting but less frequent

[JarJarDrinks]

it'd be pretty funny if JJD and KK were scum together

they were both locktown reads pre-texcat flip

answer my question in 6774 please.

[Golden Robster]

it made zero sense in hindsight because if TBG was scum then he would never ever try and deflect off himself by starting a wagon on his partner

I'm here and available to wagon not me players if we want that

Try tex? VOTE: tex.

[JarJarDrinks]

GR's self-vote looks like scum that saw the best mislynch today claiming mason to me.

mmm hmm

[Golden Robster]

actually the only possible way I could see it coming from mafia is that he was trying to wifom and distance himself from texcat whilst knowing that he was probably going to be lynched

[Golden Robster]

anyway, VOTE: texcat

JJD wagon has no legs (sad)
I don't like Mylo/Dunn wagons
Lalawagon is OK at face value, but Wave and JJD both being on it gives me the heeblies

Tex is mildly leanscum, mostly on the wagon because the other wagons are no bueno. feelsbad going to a wagon I'm not super jazzed about, but I did hit Wheme that way, so it could be worse

Hey, I can CFD texcat too.

though, lately I've been like "but damn, that player might be just pretty lynchbait"

and like a lot of players rn feel like lynchbait

LETS GOOOOOOOO

she cannot be more lynchbaity than mylo, though, you agree?

VOTE: texcat

Sajjwagon is fine, but I think texcat wagon is better odds.

[Golden Robster]

but even then like that's super slim

TBG has a much higher likelihood of being town just from that

[Gamma Emerald]

Guess it depends on whether you think texcat literally played on the assumption she never, ever gets flipped.

I don't think texcat would think that given the amount of people suspecting her

[JarJarDrinks]

I really don't like JJD's progression on texcat either. He starts off with a very weakly reasoned townread plus a lot of defending here:

Spoiler: townreading texcat

Texcat

- townlean - Posts come across as genuine and nothing very scummy that I can see.

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

anyway, VOTE: texcat

JJD wagon has no legs (sad)
I don't like Mylo/Dunn wagons
Lalawagon is OK at face value, but Wave and JJD both being on it gives me the heeblies

Tex is mildly leanscum, mostly on the wagon because the other wagons are no bueno. feelsbad going to a wagon I'm not super jazzed about, but I did hit Wheme that way, so it could be worse

I still think ur town but man ur reads are awful.

why is vax commonly TR'd?

why is texcat commonly SR'd?

these are my two biggest questions atm.

I TR vax cuz fake claiming vig as scum is about as dumb of a play as one could make.

I don't SR tex.

Here's where I'm at:

Very Town:

Hopkirk, Ausuka, Tchill13, Kublai Khan

Town:

TehBrawlGuy, Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller, Golden Robster, Texcat, PenguinPower, Frozen Angel

Slight Town:

tPine, Wavemode

Leaning Scum:

Myloninja13, Ankamius

Scum:

Lalendra, Dunnstral, Creature, Scioness Sajj

Also I'm a little interested in a texcat lynch

Dunn what happened between this and now for you to go from a "little interested" to "I will absolutely not move my vote to anyone else unless someone gives me good reason." ???

To a sudden weakly reasoned scumread here:

Spoiler: scumreading texcat

That VCA on Osuka seriously point to krazy or tex being scum. At one point the wagon was:

Osuka (8) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Krazy (176), Almost50 (390), JarJarDrinks (535), Performer (623), PenguinPower (681), Hopkirk (696)

It's very unlikely a town wagon gets that large w/o some scum on it. I know I'm town and Dunn/Almost/Performer/PP/Hopkirk are all town.

I think Tex/Krazy is prob a good place to lynch from

@Mylon Hopkirk basically accused you of being too lazy to do meta reads at the end of last game day, lol. Are you scum because you keep saying you've meta'd people but actually you haven't?

The former is fair lol, but if I were actually scum then that would be one of the least scummiest things about me lol.

Too scummy to be scum? Is that your defense? And did you actually answer the question?

Yeah that post is just ..... Yuck.

You know I'm going to flip green, don't you?

Like this sudden read shift isn't really backed up by anything strong and looks like classic distancing once the reads start to shift against texcat. Despite the scumread he never votes for texcat at EoD even to prevent a no-lynch, shading the wagon composition here:

hint

i'm strongly against nolycnhes

I'm strongly against no-lynches too.

But

Spoiler:

NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
TehBrawlGuy(4) ~ Kublai Khan(23), Texcat(12), Myloninja13(18), Wavemode(54)
JarJarDrinks() ~
Scioness Sajj(4) ~ Golden Robster(62), JarJarDrinks(66), Hopkirk(28) Tchill13(130),
Texcat (L-1) ~ Krazy(64), Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller(19) Scioness Sajj(29), TehBrawlGuy(67), Creature(63), Skygazer(10), Ankamius(85),

I cannot join that wagon.

Like I'm not convinced at all by JJD's townread on tex, by his scumread on tex, by his read shift, or by his reluctance to vote a scumread to avoid a no lynch simply due to wagon composition.

I never really scumread texcat in those 3 posts:

-I mentioned that wagon composition pointed to lynching between tex and crazy. I should have followed up on this but I got tunnel'y. nobody's perfect.

- the 2nd post was me AGREEING w/ texcat about MYLOs post being scummy.

- 3rd post was for funnayz

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD was in a power position before texcat lynch since the majority of players townread him

naw man, there were wagons on me dude.

[JarJarDrinks]

D5 reads

Conf town

: Hopkirk

Town

: KK, JJD,

Leaning Town

: Tchill, Krazy

Semi-Leaning Town

: Texcat (dead), Wavemode, Mylo
Null/Undecided: Vax

Semi-Leaning Scum

: Creature, Gamma, Skygazer, Anka

Leaning Scum

: SS (dead), TBG

Scum

:

flip these reads

Conf town

: Hopkirk

Town

:

Leaning Town

: SS (dead), TBG

Semi-leaning town

: Creature, Gamma, Skygazer, Anka

Null/undecided

: Vax

Semi-leaning scum

: Wavemode, Mylo

Leaning scum

: Tchill, Krazy

Scum

: KK, JJD

Does this look super contrived to anyone else? Like who just has a perfect reads flip? How does one flip just completely manage to perfectly flip your reads and cause you to throw all your townreads and scumreads out the window (even the strong ones!)

word

[Golden Robster]

and then a couple of posts later...

Does this look super contrived to anyone else? Like who just has a perfect reads flip? How does one flip just completely manage to perfectly flip your reads and cause you to throw all your townreads and scumreads out the window (even the strong ones!)

it's not perfect obviously and temporary

using it as a framework right now

I don't think anyone has a natural progression like that I think it's super contrived and was done to exaggerate why we should look past your original reads

not having natural progression =/= being mafia as long as you state clear REASONS

anka said earlier that the majority of town probably have wrong reads which is why I'm taking a step back and re-evaluating them aka flipping them

[Golden Robster]

and if I've been wrong most of the game then I'm fine with flipping my reads

it gives me a new perspective

why do you find it bad?

[Ircher]

Day 6 VC #11

Golden Robster (3) - Krazy (6571), Wavemode (6603), Gamma Emerald (6722)
Krazy (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Tchill13 (1) - Vaxkiller (6393)

JarJarDrinks (6) (L-2) - Creature (6495), Golden Robster (6656), Myloninj13 (6657), Skygazer (6682), TehBrawlGuy (6685), Tchill13 (6713)

TehBrawlGuy (0) -
Vaxkiller (2) - Kublai Khan (6570), Hopkirk (6702)
Wavemode (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Not Voting (2) - JarJarDrinks, Ankamius (6452)

Lynch Threshold

During day 6, it takes 8 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 6 ends on August 17, 2018 9:15 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-17 21:15:00).

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Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 6

Golden Robster: Tchill13 (6404) --> Golden Robster (6492) --> (Null) (6635) --> Myloninja13 (6651) --> (Null) (6653) --> JarJarDrinks (6656)
Krazy: Tchill13 (6329) --> Wavemode (6434) --> Golden Robster (6571)
Creature: Myloninja13 (6322) --> Kublai Khan (6380) --> Tchill13 (6409) --> JarJarDrinks (6423) --> Wavemode (6426) --> (Null) (6450) --> Golden Robster (6453) --> JarJarDrinks (6495)
Kublai Khan: Vaxkiller (6340) --> Wavemode (6516) --> Vaxkiller (6570)
Hopkirk: Vaxkiller (6702)
Gamma Emerald: Golden Robster (6722)
Tchill13: Golden Robster (6606) --> JarJarDrinks (6713)
Skygazer: Golden Robster (6470) --> JarJarDrinks (6682)
Ankamius: Wavemode (6424) --> (Null) (6452)
TehBrawlGuy: Myloninja13 (6555) --> JarJarDrinks (6685)
Vaxkiller: Tchill13 (6393)
Wavemode: Krazy (6338) --> Golden Robster (6493) --> TehBrawlGuy (6501) --> Golden Robster (6603)
Myloninja13: JarJarDrinks (6657)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 5

* - Hammer Vote
^ - Vote after hammer.

Golden Robster (2): TehBrawlGuy (5311) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6017)
Krazy (6): Gamma Emerald (5115) --> Tchill13 (5683) -->

Texcat

(5721) --> Gamma Emerald (5816) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5948) -->

Texcat

(5980)
Creature (7): Gamma Emerald (5397) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5577) --> JarJarDrinks (5751) --> Skygazer (6076) -->

Texcat

(6168) --> (Null) (6274) -->

Texcat

(6290)
Kublai Khan (3): Wavemode (5305) --> TehBrawlGuy (5520) -->

Texcat

(6303*)
Hopkirk (4): Krazy (5265) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5648) --> TehBrawlGuy (5942) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6024)
Gamma Emerald (4): Golden Robster (5631) --> JarJarDrinks (5703) --> (Null) (5929) -->

Texcat

(5983)
Tchill13 (4): Vaxkiller (5135) --> TehBrawlGuy (5139) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5174) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6037)
Skygazer (6): Wavemode (5439) --> (Null) (5480) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5640) -->

Texcat

(5985) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6019) -->

Texcat

(6172)
JarJarDrinks (6): TehBrawlGuy (5422) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5692) --> TehBrawlGuy (5848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5936) --> TehBrawlGuy (5965) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6018)
Ankamius (9): Wavemode (5168) --> TehBrawlGuy (5643) ==> TehBrawlGuy (5693) --> JarJarDrinks (5713) -->

Texcat

(5984) --> (Null) (6002) -->

Texcat

(6010) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6016) -->

Texcat

(6176)

Texcat

(1): TehBrawlGuy (5689)
TehBrawlGuy (7): JarJarDrinks (5126) --> Wavemode (5373) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5653) --> JarJarDrinks (5709) -->

Texcat

(5975) -->

Scioness Sajj

(6039) -->

Texcat

(6065)
Vaxkiller (5): Krazy (5118) --> Gamma Emerald (5121) -->

Scioness Sajj

(5649) --> JarJarDrinks (5847) -->

Texcat

(5986)
Wavemode (6): Krazy (5263) --> TehBrawlGuy (5579) --> Gamma Emerald (5869) --> Golden Robster (5870) --> Wavemode (5871) --> TehBrawlGuy (5872)
Myloninja13 (2): Gamma Emerald (5394) --> TehBrawlGuy (5775) -->

Texcat

(6308^)

Scioness Sajj

(6): Gamma Emerald (5309) --> (Null) (5633) --> Myloninja13 (5642) --> TehBrawlGuy (5680) --> JarJarDrinks (5714) -->

Texcat

(5989)

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1):

Texcat

(4670)
Golden Robster (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3):

Texcat

(4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3):

Scioness Sajj

(4665) -->

Texcat

(4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)
Hopkirk (5):

Scioness Sajj

(4672) --> (Null) (4848) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)
Gamma Emerald (1):

Dunnstral

(4847)
Tchill13 (6):

Scioness Sajj

(4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) -->

Scioness Sajj

(4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4):

Scioness Sajj

(4717) -->

Texcat

(4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)
JarJarDrinks (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3): Tchill13 (4756) -->

Texcat

(5002) --> Krazy (5049)

Texcat

(1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1):

Texcat

(4710)
Vaxkiller (1):

Scioness Sajj

(4721)
Wavemode (2):

Scioness Sajj

(4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2):

Scioness Sajj

(4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) --> Gamma Emerald (4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)

Scioness Sajj

(2):

Texcat

(4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) -->

Texcat

(4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) -->

Texcat

(4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8):

Texcat

(3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) -->

Texcat

(3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) -->

Texcat

(4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)

Texcat

(1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) -->

Texcat

(3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3):

Texcat

(3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)

Scioness Sajj

(3):

Texcat

(3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) -->

Scioness Sajj

(2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1):

PenguinPower

(1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)

Texcat

(2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1):

Texcat

(2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)
Wavemode (6):

Texcat

(2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)

Scioness Sajj

(3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) -->

Texcat

(1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) -->

Scioness Sajj

(388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2):

Texcat

(84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)

Texcat

(4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4):

Texcat

(81) -->

TheRampage

(223) -->

Texcat

(604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) -->

Scioness Sajj

(389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5):

Texcat

(82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)

Scioness Sajj

(4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2):

Texcat

(9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)

Texcat

(1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[JarJarDrinks]

I didn't know universal backup can only inherit their own alignment.
Doesn't that mean the neighbourhood had to be all town? Otherwise we could lynch a scum neighbour then Wheme would inherit the hood and be confirmed scum right?

Honestly I don't think that would even make it past the NRG, they'd probably hardcore veto that

yeah, although if we believe the claims, this setup can have 5 conftown players in it, so I don't know how this got through either

Mafia Universal Backup does mean that they very likely have at least one other power role.

It's not a power level thing. I'm actually fine w/ a ton of PRs evenly on both sides.

It's the fact that the PRs are almost all mod-confirmeds. That shit is lame IMO.

[Ankamius]

It's 5 conftown at a time with one other slot filling in

With mafia given a tool to narrow those down

In a setup where there's no other PRs

In a 25p game

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: GR

to be honest I do feel like a liability to town right now and I'm not playing against wincon but still think this is the best option right now; town should consolidate under anka since I hard TR her

if tchill is conf town and same with wavemode you need to look into KK and JJD tomorrow; basically any player that defended texcat

I kinda feel like this is never a scum post unless we're making a huge mistake today by falsely clearing town or something

but

if JJD flips scum, I'd call GR close to locktown for this general attitude

How does my flip affect how you read his general attitude?

[TehBrawlGuy]

It's 5 conftown at a time with one other slot filling in

With mafia given a tool to narrow those down

In a setup where there's no other PRs

In a 25p game

it's not about balance, it's about player agency/fun

lots of modconfirmed townies isn't fun and it destroys agency

[Gamma Emerald]

idk about that
look at games like friends and enemies

[Ankamius]

how, TBG

the confirmed roles are static, none of the flipped or claimed PRs can confirm anybody else as town

even if those roles do a good job at staying hidden, mafia have the tools to be able to narrow down who they are over time in a way that would cause scum to deserve just losing from a sudden huge townblock if they fuck it up on

plus there's no way to keep them all alive, so once they're out in the open, there's no way to prevent mafia just killing them every night if they want to

all this really does is give a list of players that just aren't going to be lynched. mafia need to mislynch roughly half of the town to win, which is pretty normal in a game with two deaths a cycle.

[Ankamius]

I derped

mafia need to mislynch roughly half the town to win,

after taking out the six slots that won't be lynched when pushed due to mechanics

[JarJarDrinks]

A50, yeah, I got that you think it's the scum team. I was wondering if you had any names in mind, but it can wait.

It looks like we may no lynch anyway. I guess it's up to Wheme and Robster. You think lynching a VT is better than no lynch? On the off chance he's scum? I actually think there's a good chance Android is scum, given what we have to go on from him.

I think this makes Robster look really good. I feel like scum tex wouldn't want to bring attention to the fact that his scumbuddies were the only people in the game not on the wagons.

[JarJarDrinks]

TBG and Mylo also look pretty good based off tex's ISO

[TehBrawlGuy]

how, TBG

the confirmed roles are static, none of the flipped or claimed PRs can confirm anybody else as town

even if those roles do a good job at staying hidden, mafia have the tools to be able to narrow down who they are over time in a way that would cause scum to deserve just losing from a sudden huge townblock if they fuck it up on

plus there's no way to keep them all alive, so once they're out in the open, there's no way to prevent mafia just killing them every night if they want to

all this really does is give a list of players that just aren't going to be lynched. mafia need to mislynch roughly half of the town to win, which is pretty normal in a game with two deaths a cycle.

these are good points why the setup is balanced, but I'm not arguing that it isn't balanced. i'm arguing that a setup with lots of modconfirmed town isn't fun.

like this setup is basically mountainous + a little bit of communication, except that Scum are pigeonholed into nightkilling 5 players before endgame regardless of how they play, and Town will sometimes get really lucky and get out of a mislynch b/c they were on someone who's confirmable.

anyway this is an aside to actually winning the game so we should probably drop it

[Creature]

So far townblock's like:
Creature

Spoiler:

Start the shading.