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In post 6813, Taly wrote:

Lukewarm wrote:

In post 6411, Save The Dragons wrote:

In post 6397, Cephrir wrote:oh hang on i forgot to read my role PM

Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.

All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or Cephrir.

NV: Everyone

VOTE: Cephrir

so i just got gladiated, oh well

i feel sick and i got deadlines. i was going to say VLA until Sunday but i dont think it matters at this point.

fuck this game

In post 6814, Taly wrote:

In post 6751, Cephrir wrote:

In post 6676, Lukewarm wrote:There is a lot of math and scenarios on why KILLING YOURSELF is better then killing no one.

One example is that It affects how many protective have to land before the town is bought a miselim.

Like, right now a doctor saving one (1) player = an extra town miselim. If we no kill, then a doctor would have to save two (2) players to = an extra town miselim.

But also, info for looking back.

I agree with this and would rather selfvote than allow no lim to happen

i share the same opinion.

In post 6815, Taly wrote:hold on not yet

In post 6574, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 6570, Dancing Puppets wrote:

In post 6545, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 6541, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 6497, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Your town read on Cephrir is WAY to over confident.
Why?

I was already lightly leaning town on Ceph before the gladiate.

I think that a scum!Gladiate from Ceph would be near game throwing levels of bad.

I think that Ceph is good at the game.

i.e. I think that ceph doing the gladiate there was possibly the most town indicative thing that any player has done this game so far lol

VOTE: Taly

I highly doubt Taly flips scum i'm just voting to end the day because this game is disgusting

Are you sure we stil can’t save Taly?

I don't care anymore

Off The Hook wrote:VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

why isn't this a

ceph!scum

move? im a VERY easy elimination to push through in defense of ANY SCUM within

Frogs/Mala

or even

Johnny

.

In post 6820, Taly wrote:and even when

mala

surpassed my wagon, i didnt jump at the opportunity to vote there or even compromise on

johnny

the entire premise laid out on me being scum so far has been refuted, what little of a premise that is.

the only way i can understand this occurring is that my initial PoE has contained majority of the scumteam.

In post 6824, Taly wrote:

In post 6822, Bellaphant wrote:I haven't read the last thirty pages, wtf is happening

ceph

gladiated me, pick a lane, make this shit quick.

i feel that this was planned in the event that a scumbuddy counterwagon to me acquired the possibility of elimination.

In post 6832, Taly wrote:

In post 1704, Taly wrote:? null
Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

im thinking this contained 3-4 of the team.

i dont necessarily believe

mala

or

frogs

are scum together, but given how often

frogs

has vote hopped between anyone who could remotely be flashwagoned, i wouldnt discount it as potential bussing.

in retrospect,

mala

is very likely scum independent of alignment's at the moment, they've specifically sat on a read of my predecessor who replaced out for PERSONAL reasons, and even when this was challenged not hold much weight, the pressure on my slot still remained in respect to their wagon.

the fact that im being wrung up because of a lack of pushes or reads compared to multiple slots in this playerlist does not make sense.

the only two people that i would comfortably still remove from this list are

t-bone

and

CSF

because the former has had very stream-of-conscious posting that i havent actually felt pinged by as ive read it (alongside earlier +'s ive mentioned on

t-bone

), and

CSF

who is the ONLY player on my wagon that has actively fleshed out their suspicion of me -

JUST ISO

, I think they've interacted without any form of premediated agenda.

dunn

falls back down into this PoE, but there is bias here, i felt that their handwave dismissal of my defense last night as

"complaining about activity"

was dismissive and potentially aligned with a

Ceph

!scum agenda, partially because 6521 feels like asking for permission to even vote me.

In post 6833, Taly wrote:also, cue the

"

taly

is flailing"

paparazzi, its what ive come to expect of people interacting with me this game with a few exceptions.

In post 6843, Taly wrote:with my current scumreads consisting of

frogs/mala/ceph/dunn

is various degrees of confidence and association, im thinking

{BBT/OTH/Toad slot/Best Bird/Malcolm/Enhcant)

, im thinking this group contains 0-1 scum at the very most.

which isnt far off, ive expressed townleans of

enchant/malcolm/OTH

at some point in this thread so far

and i dont even know if

Best Bird

is even in this game anymore, am i just skimming over their posts?

dwlee

is more memorable.

like, everything about this situation is flaming bullshit and i DEMAND someone to VERBATIM address my points!

and

BBT's

dropped off in posting to my knowledge so

:shrug:

i guess me becoming more active as a player is why im getting eliminated?

pedit

Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6832, Taly wrote:partially because 6521 feels like asking for permission to even vote me.

I disagree with your interpretation.

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

In post 6848, Taly wrote:

In post 6842, Bell wrote:

In post 6804, Lukewarm wrote:Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

dude, im going to be very honest, you saying that youve encouraged me to give perspective in this PT is absolutely not my experience, especially given the fact that ive even mentioned my struggling to keep up with the game in our PT.

i dont know what you were solving and looking for with me, but i cant say you took me with anything less than tons of caution and suspicion.

pedit

Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6843, Taly wrote:oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Cephrir's initial vote was before the vote count was reset, so it didn't count. I let him know.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

In post 6851, Taly wrote:why clear the person who INITIATED the gladiate?

its not about alignment, its about that person's confidence in eliminating their opponent.

i have been a consistently likely mislim the past 48 hrs and

ceph

has maybe received 1 vote from

nancy

out of tilt

In post 6852, Taly wrote:

In post 6850, Bell wrote:

In post 6848, Taly wrote:

In post 6842, Bell wrote:

In post 6804, Lukewarm wrote:Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

dude, im going to be very honest, you saying that youve encouraged me to give perspective in this PT is absolutely not my experience, especially given the fact that ive even mentioned my struggling to keep up with the game in our PT.

i dont know what you were solving and looking for with me, but i cant say you took me with anything less than tons of caution and suspicion.

pedit

Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6843, Taly wrote:oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Cephrir's initial vote was before the vote count was reset, so it didn't count. I let him know.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

I verbatim encouraged you to give your perspective in the game thread

what wasnt enough, man?

In post 6853, Taly wrote:

In post 6851, Taly wrote:why clear the person who INITIATED the gladiate?

its not about alignment, its about that person's confidence in eliminating their opponent.

i have been a consistently likely mislim the past 48 hrs and

ceph

has maybe received 1 vote from

nancy

out of tilt

fuck, if i were scum with

Ceph's

id have likely taken a shot at myself here.

im not going to wait if i think i have a guarantee.

In post 6855, Taly wrote:

In post 6854, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6848, Taly wrote:so what do you think about this gladiate?

I was voting you before the gladiate, so the target appeals to me.

Beyond that, I believe it was a move made by town because the town was not coming to a conclusion.

and where is this necessarily devoid of scum intent? ive seen some wild shit, especially in role madness games kind of like this one/

just look at Anything Upick, mafia won off OP roles or roles people would think are towny.

In post 6859, Taly wrote:

In post 6856, Bell wrote:I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

so what about my personality this game suggest scum? because that's how you're excusing

Cephrir's

behavior here.

In post 6857, Dunnstral wrote:What is the scum intent?

Please read my posts.

I genuinely believe I am a mislim to take heat off of 1, likelier 2 scumbuddies within

mala/frogs

.

In post 6863, Taly wrote:

In post 6862, Bell wrote:

In post 6859, Taly wrote:

In post 6856, Bell wrote:I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

so what about my personality this game suggest scum? because that's how you're excusing

Cephrir's

behavior here.

In post 6857, Dunnstral wrote:What is the scum intent?

Please read my posts.

I genuinely believe I am a mislim to take heat off of 1, likelier 2 scumbuddies within

mala/frogs

.

You got weeded for activity, not cause of your personality. You replaced into this game.

In what world is this an objective assessment of my play?

That's an excuse that serves a scum narrative and it has been repeated the MOMENT I replaced in.

In post 6864, Taly wrote:holy shit what is happening with this game

In post 6867, Taly wrote:THIS IS MY ENERGY RIGHT NOW.



(not the social context of discrimination [ily

<3

, but the ENERGY OF BITING MY FOES

THIS BEAK CRAVES BLOOD.)

In post 6870, Taly wrote:

In post 6865, Dunnstral wrote:Listen, I'm not saying that it is a good thing you were gladiates, or that I would have done the same thing. I've gone through whole games without using my gladiate/other vote altering powers as town (Yggdrasil and Tarot come to mind). Frankly speaking, I think that the players who are going off about frogger and mathblade post gladiate are either whining or trying to avoid discussing the current votes for this day phase. Which is you and Cephrir, and yeah, I think you're more likely to be mafia here.

So

Ceph V Taly

is the compromise?

Cool, so the gamestate really said

"this isn't town's decision"

by your logic here.

In post 6872, Taly wrote:

In post 6869, Bell wrote:In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

In post 6873, Taly wrote:it feels moot. :/ ive put more time into this game this morning than i needed to for my productivity.

ive outlined my issues with the gamestate, any case against me, and walked through my entire thought process through the majority of it this game in some form or another.

i dont know what else people are asking for.



im just going to keep the vibes up and share music and reply to people.

In post 6874, Taly wrote:give me

In post 6875, Taly wrote:pagetop

In post 6872, Taly wrote:

In post 6869, Bell wrote:In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

In post 6881, Dancing Puppets wrote:

StD, Can you edit the gladiate reset post (6411) with the votes prior to the reset?

Thanks a bunch!

~Titus

In post 6880, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6872, Taly wrote:

In post 6869, Bell wrote:In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

That's losers talk. Saying you didn't have a chance when you've been here for several thousands of posts and several days to make an impression on the game. Several times you chose to post some variant of "I don't understand/am not getting anything from the thread". Your votes and motivations are seen as suspicious. Half a dozen other players are sick/vla/barely doing anything; you weren't singled out here. You had Bell nagging in your ear to share your viewpoint in the thread, and honestly? You didn't share much, or respond to people.

I think every single person, or close to that, that I've voted today has complained about the game length and not being able to get into the game. BBT, Malakittens, even Roden. If everybody is doing it, then it isn't valid for anybody... somebody has to be the elimination, unfortunately.

Think of this as a positive post, even if it sounds mean; shifting blame isn't going to get anywhere. Honestly, your emotional appeal makes me feel uncomfortable but does not change my opinion; I think you can be mafia and upset if you feel you have been wronged. And if you're town, same deal and also relax because it's not actually a huge deal that you are getting eliminated on day 1.

In post 1183, Taly wrote:yay people are noticing me



as supreme toucan overlord, i demand tribute be paid in toucan sam gifs.

In post 1104, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Taly is here! Hi Taly!

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me,

me want conversation

In post 1105, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 1099, Taly wrote:Frogs, why is BBT likelier scum than Titus?

Luke, why did you consider Galron?

Among BBT or Dancing Puppets I'm not sure which is more likely to be a scum slot. I think the BBT slot is objectively scummy by looking at the iso, and the Dancing Puppets slot is just pinging me hard based on my own subjective experiences. Unless BBT starts posting more, there's a higher chance I'll turn around on my Dancing Puppets read, as I've done with Malcolm and Galron already. I think there's a slightly lower chance I turn around on the Dancing Puppets slot because my PoE is getting tighter.

i might have missed but i also inquired on why you townread the people on your wagon

In post 1122, Bell wrote:*Back pats T-bone*
You're wrong try again.
Also hi Taly!

lets gossip in the PT doll

i demand

nancy/titus/gamma/galron/pooky/dwlee (when you recover bb)

acknowledge me, my inertia as a replacement is weak so i want to skip this phase ASAP

BBT

, was that

frog

vote just to counter the wagon further or is there reason behind the vote?

In post 6885, Off The Hook wrote:Hello!

~GE

In post 6884, Taly wrote:

In post 6880, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6872, Taly wrote:

In post 6869, Bell wrote:In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

That's losers talk. Saying you didn't have a chance when you've been here for several thousands of posts and several days to make an impression on the game. Several times you chose to post some variant of "I don't understand/am not getting anything from the thread". Your votes and motivations are seen as suspicious. Half a dozen other players are sick/vla/barely doing anything; you weren't singled out here. You had Bell nagging in your ear to share your viewpoint in the thread, and honestly? You didn't share much, or respond to people.

I think every single person, or close to that, that I've voted today has complained about the game length and not being able to get into the game. BBT, Malakittens, even Roden. If everybody is doing it, then it isn't valid for anybody... somebody has to be the elimination, unfortunately.

Think of this as a positive post, even if it sounds mean; shifting blame isn't going to get anywhere. Honestly, your emotional appeal makes me feel uncomfortable but does not change my opinion; I think you can be mafia and upset if you feel you have been wronged. And if you're town, same deal and also relax because it's not actually a huge deal that you are getting eliminated on day 1.

I apologize to

Bell

that my push onto

Bell

is manipulative in that vein, that's not my intention. I'm giving an honest take on my experience. My discussion with

Bell

was not meant to sway or guilt him, I'm giving context to my perspective and it's not my intention or desire to blame him for these circumstances.

And no, I don't agree that just because everybody is doing it, that it's not invalid for anybody.

This is the longest D1 in any game ever. I've had hideously grinding large themes with less pages than this.

It's completely understated that this game is a mess to parse through and I don't think downplaying that is rational. Yes, it's still sound to say that I didn't provide enough info on my thought process enough and that I am scum for doing so, but to say this game isn't exceptional is not true.

In post 6886, Taly wrote:To further reinstate,

Bell

, I am sorry about my emotional outpour, I realize that I 100% initiated the confrontation and that it is not your responsibility to appease or burden my feelings.

Dunnstral wrote:Yeah it is fair to say this game is very long. That is why the gladiate is pro-town; you are instead arguing that the game should have gone on even longer

In post 1580, Taly wrote:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

In post 6888, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6885, Off The Hook wrote:Hello!

~GE

You've definitely read past this point

In post 6880, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6872, Taly wrote:

In post 6869, Bell wrote:In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

What are you trying to accomplish here? All that I am conveying is that I don't think I was a given a chance here whether or not you believed I did.

That's losers talk. Saying you didn't have a chance when you've been here for several thousands of posts and several days to make an impression on the game. Several times you chose to post some variant of "I don't understand/am not getting anything from the thread". Your votes and motivations are seen as suspicious. Half a dozen other players are sick/vla/barely doing anything; you weren't singled out here. You had Bell nagging in your ear to share your viewpoint in the thread, and honestly? You didn't share much, or respond to people.

I think every single person, or close to that, that I've voted today has complained about the game length and not being able to get into the game. BBT, Malakittens, even Roden. If everybody is doing it, then it isn't valid for anybody... somebody has to be the elimination, unfortunately.

Think of this as a positive post, even if it sounds mean; shifting blame isn't going to get anywhere. Honestly, your emotional appeal makes me feel uncomfortable but does not change my opinion; I think you can be mafia and upset if you feel you have been wronged. And if you're town, same deal and also relax because it's not actually a huge deal that you are getting eliminated on day 1.

In post 6891, Off The Hook wrote:Also: idk if there’s been anything major since our last couple games but I also was scum in our last 2 (Slaughter Hour and uPick) and BOTH demanded I play my fucking head off at the start to not die.

In post 6815, Taly wrote:why isn't this a ceph!scum move? im a VERY easy elimination to push through in defense of ANY SCUM within Frogs/Mala or even Johnny.

In post 6894, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 6891, Off The Hook wrote:Also: idk if there’s been anything major since our last couple games but I also was scum in our last 2 (Slaughter Hour and uPick) and BOTH demanded I play my fucking head off at the start to not die.

This sort of looks like you are claiming mafia. Both because you are wondering why you are not getting pushed this game and because you say you were "also" scum in the other games.