In post 6949, Toomai wrote:I had a secondary idea where, one a player pays taxes once, they no longer pay on subsequent nights. So you can't just keep picking the same 2 people and changing 1 of them. How would that work?
They become night 1 cops (assuming there are still 2 of them there)
Also with 2 listed there, what would happen if they both targeted the same person?
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:51 pm
by GreyICE
Also they're most destructive investigating town.
Imagine someone claims with the result "0 scum in group of 3". That's 4 confirmed townies. With the second cop, 5 confirmed townies.
That's... pretty bad.
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:01 pm
by Not_Mafia
I don't have a name for this
Vanilla Townie x8
Mafia Goon x3
A pretty basic Mountainous/Vanilla variation. The townies are each able to vote for someone to be protected from the scum's nightkill. The top 3 votegetters night 1, top 2 night 2 and the top 1 night 3 onwards become immune to kills that night. This is designed to stop town losing their strongest players. I don't know whether scum should be given votes or a way to tamper with the votes?
I need to practice my plagiarism skills. To be serious though, I hadn't seen yours and I made the above to attempt to remedy issues that plague games at my homesite; village inactivity/disengagement and actives being killed off. For your set up, I'd say regular mountainous numbers are fine assuming you're looking for a 50% EV, but that's just my guess.
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:25 am
by Siveure DtTrikyp
About the tax collector one.
Give everyone an amount of taxes they pay.
Make the mafia the highest/lowest.
Tax collector only sees the order of the people they take. EG: of ABC, A pays the most taxes, C pays the least taxes.
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:44 am
by Mr. Flay
In post 6955, Not_Mafia wrote:I need to practice my plagiarism skills. To be serious though, I hadn't seen yours and I made the above to attempt to remedy issues that plague games at my homesite; village inactivity/disengagement and actives being killed off. For your set up, I'd say regular mountainous numbers are fine assuming you're looking for a 50% EV, but that's just my guess.
11:2 is theoretically balanced in Mountainous Forum Mafia. In practice, Town usually loses due to apathy/disillusionment. 8:3 requires them to lynch correctly more than 50% of the time, which doesn't happen often in non-Mountainous games.
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:54 am
by chamber
In post 6957, Mr. Flay wrote:11:2 is theoretically balanced in Mountainous Forum Mafia.
Based on what theory? town gets destroyed using random lynches in 11:2. You want like 15:2 to be remotely even.
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:11 am
by Mr. Flay
EV? (which Forum Mafia consistently does worse than)
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:12 am
by chamber
In post 6959, Mr. Flay wrote:EV? (which Forum Mafia consistently does worse than)
The ev of 11:2 is like 23% chance town win. (I'm going off memory here, its definitely not 50%)
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:30 am
by chamber
just simulated it again quickly.
~23% was 10:2. 11:2 is more like 40%, but additions in 2 after that have really bad diminishing returns, takes 17:2 to make it even.
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:34 am
by Mr. Flay
*shrug* I was going off of memory of Numbers Part 1, but yeah 11:2 is within most definitions of "theoretically balanced" (40-60%). In practice it doesn't work.
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:47 am
by Burning_Earth
But more than 11-2 is just stupid.
Maybe I'm just used to a site with better lynch percentages.
basically i just wanted to play around with the idea of 3 town pairs (or 2.5 town pairs) where there's a slight obscurity to the role PMs. idk how it would work out in practice but hey gotta find something besides sleeping to kill time at 4 in the morning. also not sure about encryptor, or town-scum ratio??
gosh this is such a weird idea i d e k if open setup stuff yeah.
This feels like it will be damaged by early massclaim.
If its playing with neighbors you could even just do something very crude and say all players get a neighbor partner then balance it out from there. When you start guaranteeing things like there being a scum neighbor you enter a situation where them getting lynched early will basically end the game because of how many it clears.
Day 1 is not like mountainous in an open game due to claims (this also applies to non-open games with confirmable roles).
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:46 pm
by Burning_Earth
I guess
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 9:26 pm
by Kaiveran
Want to hear what people think of this concept. Obviously the powers would have to be tweaked for balance but I'll think this is a good basic idea.
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 1:39 pm
by BBmolla
Wanna try running this in micro, can I get some thoughts? Is the SK too disadvantaged? If so, what would be a solution? Turning JK into Doctor or Roleblocker?
~23% was 10:2. 11:2 is more like 40%, but additions in 2 after that have really bad diminishing returns, takes 17:2 to make it even.
The thing is, town should theoretically lynch better than random. So 40% is usually considered balanced, because the town shouldn't ever have an even or better chance to win through random lynching.
Get the feeling town may get burned quite a bit though since they essentially have three lynches to hit the SK. They miss him by that point they are going to need some doctor help. You also have the thread of the SK being lynched before Town Doctor essentially creating a nightless game with an Innocent Child.
Will sleep on it but this sounds good
Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 4:34 pm
by LlamaFluff
In post 6969, Kaiveran wrote:Want to hear what people think of this concept. Obviously the powers would have to be tweaked for balance but I'll think this is a good basic idea.
First instinct is to kill off the Ascetic for scum.
10:3 with two town PRs and one scum PR is already strong for scum, they do not need anything else. Only reason I im not immediately pushing for more town power is that you have two confirmed town and scum will have a very difficult time fakeclaiming JOAT in this situation.
Get the feeling town may get burned quite a bit though since they essentially have three lynches to hit the SK. They miss him by that point they are going to need some doctor help. You also have the thread of the SK being lynched before Town Doctor essentially creating a nightless game with an Innocent Child.
Will sleep on it but this sounds good
2:5 with IC is pretty townsided, but it also gives Mafia incentive to not lynch the SK early which I think is pretty cool.