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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:56 pm
by LlamaFluff
Vote Count


Kublai Khan (2) - StrangerCoug, Panzerjager
StrangerCoug (1) - OhGodMyLife
OhGodMyLife (1) - Kublai Khan

Not Voting (3) - semioldguy, Green Crayons, sam.samhorn

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:35 pm
by PJ.
Panzerjager wrote:
But here's my hunch.

Look at the top of the page.

"Vote Count

StrangerCoug (2) - OhGodMyLife, Panzerjager
OhGodMyLife (2) - Kublai Khan, StrangerCoug

Not Voting (3) - semioldguy, Green Crayons, sam.samhorn "

Scum could have quick hammered here, cause I believe we are at LYLO. 3 scum 9 townies so right not is 3 to 4. Scum didn't quick hammer. So that means, one of the not voting crew is scum and the other 2 are voting. So either OGML and Myself are scum or Khan and Coug are scum. The scum can't be on seperate wagons because they'd still have quick hammered, so that rules out any combination between the wagons. Since I'm not scum..than Khan and SC are scum. Probably with Sam.Samhorn.
I want comments on this.

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:34 pm
by StrangerCoug
Panzerjager wrote:
Panzerjager wrote:
But here's my hunch.

Look at the top of the page.

"Vote Count

StrangerCoug (2) - OhGodMyLife, Panzerjager
OhGodMyLife (2) - Kublai Khan, StrangerCoug

Not Voting (3) - semioldguy, Green Crayons, sam.samhorn "

Scum could have quick hammered here, cause I believe we are at LYLO. 3 scum 9 townies so right not is 3 to 4. Scum didn't quick hammer. So that means, one of the not voting crew is scum and the other 2 are voting. So either OGML and Myself are scum or Khan and Coug are scum. The scum can't be on seperate wagons because they'd still have quick hammered, so that rules out any combination between the wagons. Since I'm not scum..than Khan and SC are scum. Probably with Sam.Samhorn.
I want comments on this.
Your reasoning for grouping Kublai Khan and me (and therefore yourself with OhGodMyLife) is flawed. I've played two games, Mini 630 and Newbie 714, where the Mafia could have quicklynched with a townie at L-2, but elected not to. One of the Mafiates that chose not to quicklynch in Mini 630 knew that I wasn't going to attack him without a good reason (and thinking about it, setting up a quicklynch would likely have given me that reason), and I was online for too much of the last day of Newbie 714 for the Mafia to think they could get away with it.

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:12 pm
by PJ.
Dude, it's not flawed.

If Scum quicklynched they won..All they had to do was vote and they woulda won. Not much time to attack..

Not quicklynching would have been terrible.

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:07 am
by Green Crayons
Pan wrote:The scum can't be on seperate wagons because they'd still have quick hammered, so that rules out any combination between the wagons.
Maybe you can explain this in further detail because, as it currently stands, this makes no sense to me.

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:28 am
by Green Crayons
Never mind, I actually allowed my brain to wake up and I understand what you're saying.

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:29 am
by Green Crayons
Coug wrote:Your reasoning for grouping Kublai Khan and me (and therefore yourself with OhGodMyLife) is flawed. I've played two games, Mini 630 and Newbie 714, where the Mafia could have quicklynched with a townie at L-2, but elected not to. One of the Mafiates that chose not to quicklynch in Mini 630 knew that I wasn't going to attack him without a good reason (and thinking about it, setting up a quicklynch would likely have given me that reason), and I was online for too much of the last day of Newbie 714 for the Mafia to think they could get away with it.
Pan's logic at least makes sense to some degree. Why do you think your two anecdotal examples refute what would seem like a reasonable deduction to make about mafia play?

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:35 am
by OhGodMyLife
GC wrote:OGML: How do you explain your play this game? It's been... pretty hands off, by and large.
I'm not sure what you want explained. Day one I was playing low to the ground, more or less, trying to stay just suspicious enough to be left alive. Since then I've been pretty pre-occupied by real life, as has shown in my actions (such as not even bothering to really do the math regarding vig self-shooting).

Now that I'm outed as investigative and pitted in an either/or with Kublai I'll most certainly be the nightkill tonight, so I'd like to reiterate that the scumteam is Kublai Khan, StrangerCoug and sam.samhorn.

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:16 am
by Kublai Khan
Panzaerjager wrote:Scum could have quick hammered here, cause I believe we are at LYLO. 3 scum 9 townies so right not is 3 to 4. Scum didn't quick hammer. So that means, one of the not voting crew is scum and the other 2 are voting. So either OGML and Myself are scum or Khan and Coug are scum. The scum can't be on seperate wagons because they'd still have quick hammered, so that rules out any combination between the wagons. Since I'm not scum..than Khan and SC are scum. Probably with Sam.Samhorn.
Wow. Scum didn't fall for a hugely obvious gambit. Plus you revealed your trap after 4 posts and didn't wait for everyone to post. Thus making it useless. Except for the fact that the scum team (which you still may be a part of) will use it as "evidence" to frame me.
Green Crayons wrote:Khan: Why did you lie in the first place, again?
I already explained in 662. Since the switch would happen even if I got NKed, then the best thing I could do was not to increase the amount of WIFOM in the game. The best use of the role is to state a switch early, then expose any liars.
OhGodMyLife wrote:Now that I'm outed as investigative and pitted in an either/or with Kublai I'll most certainly be the nightkill tonight, so I'd like to reiterate that the scumteam is Kublai Khan, StrangerCoug and sam.samhorn.
How many "investigative" roles does that make in this game again? Scum.

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:30 am
by semioldguy
Khan, why did you choose OhGodMyLife and sam.samhorn as your two targets to lie about?

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:02 am
by StrangerCoug
Green Crayons wrote:
Coug wrote:Your reasoning for grouping Kublai Khan and me (and therefore yourself with OhGodMyLife) is flawed. I've played two games, Mini 630 and Newbie 714, where the Mafia could have quicklynched with a townie at L-2, but elected not to. One of the Mafiates that chose not to quicklynch in Mini 630 knew that I wasn't going to attack him without a good reason (and thinking about it, setting up a quicklynch would likely have given me that reason), and I was online for too much of the last day of Newbie 714 for the Mafia to think they could get away with it.
Pan's logic at least makes sense to some degree. Why do you think your two anecdotal examples refute what would seem like a reasonable deduction to make about mafia play?
Because he implies the assumption that if the Mafia can quicklynch someone, they always will. I'm saying there may be a reason why scum's holding off quicklynching (perhaps making such an obvious move will kill the other player's town read on them? I'm not scum, so I don't know).
Kublai Khan wrote:Wow. Scum didn't fall for a hugely obvious gambit. Plus you revealed your trap after 4 posts and didn't wait for everyone to post. Thus making it useless. Except for the fact that the scum team (which you still may be a part of) will use it as "evidence" to frame me.
Quoting as a case in point to my answer to Green Crayons's question.

I should have brought this up the first time, but when I was mislynched in LYLO in Mini 630, there was only one scum on my wagon and she was the second person voting me. The person that knew I wasn't attacking him without a reason kept his vote on that person for reasons that I can't explain unless I said it already, and the third scum was trying to mislynch a scummier player than me.

Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:19 pm
by Kublai Khan
semioldguy wrote:Khan, why did you choose OhGodMyLife and sam.samhorn as your two targets to lie about?
My top two scum suspects. (see post 580)

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:02 am
by sam.samhorn
What I don't understand here is that if KK is lying about not switching OGML and I last night, how does OGML's getting a blue cooler make sense if Panzer said OGML didn't target anybody? Am I being stupid and just not grasping this?

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:04 am
by semioldguy
@sam.samhorn
That's the problem I had with Khan's claim. If OhGodMyLife was scum and didn't take an action, he wouldn't have any reason to lie about having taken an action the previous night, especially with a revealed weak tracker.

I also don't think making your two faked-bus-driven people the one who are you highest suspects is a good move. If anything you would not want to make them part of your fake-bus-drive because it gives you suspects a better chance to be caught in a lie since now they have multiple options to choose for lying about (since no one is going to claim having initially targeted themselves).

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:24 pm
by PJ.
StrangerCoug wrote:
Green Crayons wrote:
Coug wrote:Your reasoning for grouping Kublai Khan and me (and therefore yourself with OhGodMyLife) is flawed. I've played two games, Mini 630 and Newbie 714, where the Mafia could have quicklynched with a townie at L-2, but elected not to. One of the Mafiates that chose not to quicklynch in Mini 630 knew that I wasn't going to attack him without a good reason (and thinking about it, setting up a quicklynch would likely have given me that reason), and I was online for too much of the last day of Newbie 714 for the Mafia to think they could get away with it.
Pan's logic at least makes sense to some degree. Why do you think your two anecdotal examples refute what would seem like a reasonable deduction to make about mafia play?
Because he implies the assumption that if the Mafia can quicklynch someone, they always will. I'm saying there may be a reason why scum's holding off quicklynching (perhaps making such an obvious move will kill the other player's town read on them? I'm not scum, so I don't know).
That's retarded. I'm assuming 3 scum 4 townies. A mislynch means game over. You and Sam's shitty defenses of Kublai are really telling here.

The only way that the scum team isn't comprised of either Myself and OGML or SC and Kublai Khan is if OGML and Khan are scum together. I wouldn't completely rule this out but it seems highly unlikely. Either way, I call for a Khan lynch.

Reason: Khan is most likely scum regardless of his role. If he comes up as not a Bus Driver we lynch OGML tomorrow because he is Lying scum. If he comes up Busdriver, we know that Sam is either Vanilla or scum that didn't make the kill(but why would scum switch a scum and a townie when the cop is dead?).

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:15 pm
by OhGodMyLife
sam:
Bus driver flips the places of two players, aka redirecting all other actions which target Player X to Player Y and vice versa. In this case, you and I were players X and Y, so when pan targeted me for weak tracking it got redirected to you, thus giving him the result of "Didn't go out last night," and when I targeted you to investigate it was redirected to me, so I stole from myself.

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:19 pm
by Green Crayons
vote: Khan
. I'm comfortable with that.

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:56 pm
by StrangerCoug
Panzerjager wrote:
StrangerCoug wrote:
Green Crayons wrote:
Coug wrote:Your reasoning for grouping Kublai Khan and me (and therefore yourself with OhGodMyLife) is flawed. I've played two games, Mini 630 and Newbie 714, where the Mafia could have quicklynched with a townie at L-2, but elected not to. One of the Mafiates that chose not to quicklynch in Mini 630 knew that I wasn't going to attack him without a good reason (and thinking about it, setting up a quicklynch would likely have given me that reason), and I was online for too much of the last day of Newbie 714 for the Mafia to think they could get away with it.
Pan's logic at least makes sense to some degree. Why do you think your two anecdotal examples refute what would seem like a reasonable deduction to make about mafia play?
Because he implies the assumption that if the Mafia can quicklynch someone, they always will. I'm saying there may be a reason why scum's holding off quicklynching (perhaps making such an obvious move will kill the other player's town read on them? I'm not scum, so I don't know).
That's retarded. I'm assuming 3 scum 4 townies. A mislynch means game over.
Yet the paragraph after that in your post implies a pair:
Panzerjager wrote:The only way that the scum team isn't comprised of either Myself and OGML or SC and Kublai Khan is if OGML and Khan are scum together.
Comprised of = consisting only of.

Regarding this, though:
Panzerjager wrote:I wouldn't completely rule this out but it seems highly unlikely. Either way, I call for a Khan lynch.
I agree that it is possible for OhGodMyLife and Kublai Khan to be scum together, but I also agree that it's unlikely. I think you and OGML are the same alignment (leaning town based on recent events) and that KK is scum, but if all three of you are the scum, then I am going to shoot myself in the head for thinking scum wouldn't be so stupid as to act the way you've been.

Oh, and
Mod: V/LA for the coming day.
(We're in the middle of a day change in the U.S., which is why I'm not saying 'today" or "tomorrow".)

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:58 am
by PJ.
Um now..There is a third and that third is a member of the Not voting side.

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:49 am
by sam.samhorn
OhGodMyLife wrote:sam:
Bus driver flips the places of two players, aka redirecting all other actions which target Player X to Player Y and vice versa. In this case, you and I were players X and Y, so when pan targeted me for weak tracking it got redirected to you, thus giving him the result of "Didn't go out last night," and when I targeted you to investigate it was redirected to me, so I stole from myself.
Wouldn't that mean you targeted yourself then?

Forgive me if I'm being really dense and just not comprehending this.

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:00 am
by semioldguy
Vote: Kublai Khan

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:16 am
by LlamaFluff
Vote Count


Kublai Khan (4) - StrangerCoug, Panzerjager, Green Crayons, semioldguy
StrangerCoug (1) - OhGodMyLife
OhGodMyLife (1) - Kublai Khan

Not Voting (1) - sam.samhorn

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:10 pm
by LlamaFluff
Todays word of the day is - "confusion".

Needless to say that quite a bit of confusion gripped the town today. After all, stories did not line up like they should. At the center of this confusion was none other then Kublai Khan. Claims that he moved people around at nights suddenly changed to claims that he just decided to lounge around and do nothing. No one knew quite what to do, but they were convinced that something was fishy here.

The questions, the finger pointing, it became a daily event. This time the finger of blame fell on Kublai Khan. Quite a spectacular event occured next. Well maybe not spectacular, maybe just funny is a better word. It turns out its kind of hard to hang a car. Instead he was simply disassembled.

Looking through the scraps of metal that were left, it was obvious that he was not lying about his ability to get people around quickly. It was obvious enough though that he was not doing it with good intentions.


Kublai Khan (Lightning McQueen from Cars) - Mafia Bus Driver - Lynched Day Three


Night actions are due to me by Monday June 29th at 4:00 PM, PST

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:06 pm
by LlamaFluff
You wake up, satisfied that you have gotted rid of one member of the mafia that was troubling you. During the morning role call, you even notice that it appears no one is missing today. After a closer look though it is apparent that someone is missing, they were just a little too small to be noticed at times, even in life.

Soon enough you find the body. You never knew they even made bullets that small.


Panzerjager (Remy from Ratatoullie) - Weak Tracker - Shot Night Three


With five alive it takes three to lynch. Deadline for day four is July 20th, 4PM, PST

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:58 pm
by StrangerCoug
I consider OhGodMyLife cleared and I know I'm town, so it's two of Green Crayons, sam.samhorn, and semioldguy. I find semioldguy the most suspicious of them for misrepresenting my Day 2 reactions to the Green Crayons claim (see post #634 for more details on this).

OhGodMyLife, from whom did you steal and why? What did you get?