Webcomic Wars Mafia: D7- Be Thankful I'm Not The Author

[Tarhalindur]

Hi guys, I just replaced Santos, who I am told was a douchebag. Let me reread over the weekend, and I'll try to post some stuff after that.

Deadline is Sunday.

Also, you should probably claim.

[Tarhalindur]

For everybody not familiar with how this works: you should also push for MoS to claim ASAP. I'll explain why this is the correct course of action after he does so.

[Tarhalindur]

EBWOTP: Just because we want MoS to claim doesn't mean we don't want more votes for Kise/SensFan. Same for forcing the vote leaders to claim.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Alright, here are my reactions from skimming the first 10 pages.

Page 4-
I don't think Empking's lurking is a sign of scumminess. He's been doing it in other games as well.
I disagree with Percy that meta is bullshit.

Page 5-
I like the Tar/Korlash double team on Lamont page, but I don't think Lamont is scum. I think he's just plain wrong, and he doesn't really understand that yet. It's possible that this attack could be a scum ploy to get him lynched.

Page 6-
I don't understand how Vino can call out four people (Fishy, korlash, rofl, and tajo) for wagoning him for no apparent reason and then conclude that SensFan is scum as a result of those statements.

FoS: Vino

Page 7-
Vino says Cow is defending SensFan when he calls out the pointless vote. Not liking that.
Tar is officially on my shitlist for not only making a "wall o' text" post, but also putting a giant "wall o' text" quote at the END of that post and following it with 3 measly lines of text. Waste of space and a waste of my time.
SerialClergyman hasn't been rubbing me the right way the last couple pages.

Page 8-
Santos makes some retarded post about how he could roleclaim and how it would help scum, and people interpret it as a soft-claim. Let me tell you right now that I have no clue what the fuck he was doing, and he wasn't making a soft-claim at all. Disregard that post.

Page 9-
Pretty much all of Santos' posts on page 9 look like him being an idiot. I disagree with almost everything he said.

Page 10-
Santos does make a somewhat good point here about the wagon on Lamont being BS, but I'm not exactly sure what else he is saying.
Post 235 by TSS seems interesting, especially given the double-team on Lamont from page 5.

FoS: Tarhalindur, Korlash, Vino

Not sure if I think the first two are working together, but I could definitely see one of them as scum playing off the other one.

I'll read more of the thread later, when I get the chance.

[Gorrad]

MoS does, in fact, replace Santos.

[Sotty7]

Tar, in post 698 you speak about Kise's post where he talks about the back up doc. I was with you when you were talking about the actual aspects of the post, but you then quote his claim post and vote him as if that was the major reason why you went from Sens to Kise. What was it about his claim that made you switch?

I will admit, I know next to nothing about the flavor, basically just replacing in because the player list looked good. So Wikipedia will be my friend in this situation. Looking over Kise's name claim I don't see what would be so scummy or why you would change from Sens to him for it.

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I managed to do an iso read of Fishy yesterday and I would say he has come down in scumminess for me. His later posts are much better than his ones at the start of the game. I really found his initial reasoning for justifying his RVS Vino vote scummy and combining that with how he jumped onto LC's wagon which had grown quickly at that point, he didn't look good to me at all.

That said when he sat down and really laid out his case on LC it was actually pretty good. The only part I am liable to disagree on is where Fishy claimed LC agreed with tss's theory. He simply says “very interesting” which is a problem in of it's self, but I don't see any strong support of that theory from LC.

I had the impression Fishy had gone back and done this after others questioned him about his LC vote, this was false. He did it after Tar picked up on his vote post, but no one else commented. He could have gone back and done this in hopes of keeping Tar off his back, but I think willingness to go back and rethink/represent the case is more of a town point than anything. Would have been more effective if it came with his original vote however.

His case on Vino looks good, and makes me want to re-read Vino sooner rather than later. At this point I would take Fishy off my top suspect list. I still have some worries though, but the re-read squared them away rather than amplified them.

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MoS, you should name claim ASAP.

[Vino]

Yeah. Deadline in two days.

Vote: Percy

partly because I'd rather him lynched than me, but mostly because I still think his slip was scummy. I'd also support a SensFan or Kise lynch.

MoS I suppose should claim, for some reason I don't understand.

[Korlash]

While I'm against a mass claim I think my claim is necessary before Percy's flip seeing as how there are a hand full of you that will call me scum regardless of what alignment he shows. And so for that I feel the sooner I get it out the better for everyone.

I am Abby from Abby's Agency

I like the Tar/Korlash double team on Lamont page, but I don't think Lamont is scum. I think he's just plain wrong, and he doesn't really understand that yet. It's possible that this attack could be a scum ploy to get him lynched.

Double team? I have to pull a Kise here and Ask for Clarification. Are you implying that we are somehow connected or simply that we both dealt with LC at the same time.

Santos does make a somewhat good point here about the wagon on Lamont being BS, but I'm not exactly sure what else he is saying.
Post 235 by TSS seems interesting, especially given the double-team on Lamont from page 5.

FoS: Tarhalindur, Korlash, Vino

Not sure if I think the first two are working together, but I could definitely see one of them as scum playing off the other one.

This might just have answered my question. You admitted you felt he was wrong and you're surprised multiple people pressed him for it? And you feel one of me and tar might be playing off the other for two specific posts, one from each of us? I mean that's a little lacking there, even for you.

I'm all for perusing the people on LC's case but it seems like you are trying to tie the people who actually presented arguments with an attack that seems less out of place when used against the people who said nothing and just chain voted.

Now you can cut the bull and just claim you think I'm playing off Tar and we can get down to the issue at hand. Both the Claimed "double team" and TSS's misrep post deal entirely with me, the fact I mentioned his name on page 5 is hardly a tie in to him. I have enough bogus stuff to deal with being linked like I am to Percy, I don't need misleading links to Tar was well...

[Korlash]

Obviously I fail at URLs...

http://abbysagency.us/

[Percy]

Also Percy, you found it suspect that I came into the game without commenting on any of the other suspects, but what about the other replacements?

Kise came in started posting at the start of day two with just a vote on Santos commenting on nothing else.
Sajin came in at the end of day one and just happened to put LC at lynch-1 after the counter claim commenting on nothing else.
RTB is a little better, makes a comment about the santos wagon, but in his next post votes for rolf commenting on nothing else.

I get a strong town read from Sotty due to 705.

Are these players also suspect to you?

Kise - yes, very much so. For the reasons outlined by both myself and Tar. I found 698 to be a very good articulation of the problems I had with his play so far.
Sajin - yes, but only mildly so. Many others were guilty of piling on L_C there at the end of yesterday, and his participation so far reeks of "active lurking".
RTB - still undecided, since without rofl's participation it's difficult for me to assess his stance.

For everybody not familiar with how this works: you should also push for MoS to claim ASAP. I'll explain why this is the correct course of action after he does so.

It's hard for me to ascertain why I should be pushing for such a thing without knowing your reasons. I also find myself wary of your willingness to flush out information.

Yeah. Deadline in two days.

Vote: Percy

partly because I'd rather him lynched than me, but mostly because I still think his slip was scummy. I'd also support a SensFan or Kise lynch.

MoS I suppose should claim, for some reason I don't understand.

Wow, this sure is a scummy post. This was from his votepost:

SC, I think you're overreacting about how solidly Percy's slip implicates him as scum. It's pretty scummy, but your over-reactions and certainties are what Korlash seems to object to. I've used "certainty speech" as town before so I can't say it's a solid scumtell, but the forcefulness of your reaction is not looking very townly.

Korlash, I think I understand your angle, but your stalwart defense of Percy's slip in trying to make your point has reflected poorly on you.

All that said, I can see a situation where Percy made an innocent mistake as town, but I think that Percy's situation is better explained by him being scum, and in this case I think it's better to err on the side of caution.

Vote: Percy

I'm fairly certain that this mess means that the likelihood is good that at least one of Percy, Korlash, and SC are scum. Percy looks like the one with the most motivation, and if forced to claim, the one that town could gain the most useful information from at the moment.

Major fence-sitting, and I feel a scummy interpretation of the situation. Now he's voting me to save his own skin, and supporting the Kise wagon for no reason that I can see. Worst of all, he's trying to say that he was suspicious of me all along, when really, he was only ever voting me out of "caution". There are much better cases out there, and he knows it.



OK, well, here's the unofficial vote count at the moment:

Percy (5): SerialClergyman, Empking, roflcopter, Sotty7, Vino
Vino (4): Hasdgfas, Fishythefish, Mastermind of Sin, Mufasa
SerialClergyman (2): Korlash, Sajin
Kise (2): Percy, Tarhalindur
Mastermind of Sin (1): SensFan
Rolfcopter (1): Riceballtail
Korlash (1): Kise

Note Voting (5): Sironigous, Delathi, ZazieR, Tzeentch, Head_Honcho


I'm on five votes, and this may very well be my lynch.

First off, I find Vino scum for his behaviour on both Day 1 and today.
I find Empking extremely scummy, and have been trying to get him to answer questions that I think need answering.
I think SerialClergyman is probably town, but his reluctance to talk about anything else other than me today is giving me pause for thought. His willingness to self-vote is a stupid move, but I don't think it's anything more than a townie who thinks he's found The Golden Scumtell when really it's just a stupid mistake I wish I hadn't made.
Sotty7 I get townish reads from, but I can't help but not like her vote on me.
I think roflcopter is mildly scummy, and his V/LA has made it hard for me to respond to his accusations, if he even has any.

I think Tarhalindur threatens to dominate this game, and I hope people keep him in check.
I think Mufasa and Santos are/were both very anti-town, and shouldn't be given the degree of forgiveness most people are willing to give.
Korlash is still fairly null to me. For the record, I think those who tried to say "Percy, Korlash, SC - at least one is scum" are most likely anti-town, and that's one of the reasons I think Vino may very well be scum.

Tar's case on SensFan is very persuasive, and I'll be reading along to see how that goes.

Other than that, I have no other insight to offer. I'll claim.

I am the

Town Hider

. I nominate one player each night, and I don't die unless they die as well. If I hide behind scum, then I don't die even if they do.

For the record, I targetted Tzeentch on Night 1. I thought it was safest to target a lurker; I didn't have a good enough read on anyone, so picking what I thought was an anti-town player to hide behind was too risky.




My vote remains on the person I think is most likely scum.



I can't believe I'm at risk of getting lynched on five votes. FIVE.

I ask that everyone make a final comment on how they feel about the way my wagon has proceeded. Even if you're voting for someone else, say something. When I flip, it may give you something to look at, rather than a weak, listless wagon which no-one seems to care all that much about.

[Empking]

percy; Have you ever repeated or pointed to these supposed "questions that need answering"?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Still reading. As noted in my sig, I'll be V/LA all of today.

Unvote

, in case I have a vote from my predecessor.

[Head_Honcho]

I would support a kise lynch over a percy lynch

unvote?

vote: kise

[Fishythefish]

I am unimpressed by the Percy wagon. It is based on one point, which I think is weak, and from his reactions Percy doesn't feel like scum to me.

I think that Vino is much more likely scum, and is still a realistic lynch. If it came down to Kise vs. Percy, I'd be voting Kise.

Vino should claim.

[Fishythefish]

P.S. At this stage, I see no reason for any player not to be voting for one of Percy, Kise or Vino. One of them is going to be lynched, and having your vote elsewhere is just avoiding responsibility.

[Vino]

Oddly enough Percy, (and uniquely so far for this game) your role fits very well with the first Sam and Fuzzy story arc.

http://samandfuzzy.com/587

Maybe not hiding, but certainly not being found.

Unvote. Vote: Kise

Worst of all, he's trying to say that he was suspicious of me all along, when really, he was only ever voting me out of "caution". There are much better cases out there, and he knows it.

Don't read into it too much. I'm voting you for the same reason I did before, which I went over in depth. I'd still have had that vote on you if Mufasa hadn't have done the soft claim. Also, I know I'm town and I'm not so sure about you, so I don't see that it's scummy that I want someone else lynched.

[Tarhalindur]

I'm suspicious of Percy's claim, for the following reasons:

1) It fits a little too well on the character (L_C, poptajo, and qwints are all odd choices for their role, AFAICT, with qwints having the best of those; moreover, you'd expect my own character to be vig given his behavior in comic, and that is most certainly not the case).
2) Hider claim could easily come from a bulletproof scum who realized that claiming bulletproof was a bad idea, especially since he claimed that he doesn't die when hiding with scum.
3) It doesn't fit the pattern I suspected in the setup - if the pattern holds up elsewhere, Percy is lying about his character at minimum (if I die tonight, note that I suspected Percy, given his character claim, would claim the kind of role I have, and this would not be grounds for a counterclaim).

On the other hand, Percy's play is reasonably town, and point 3 currently falls under the category of outguessing the mod.

MoS:

So, you find me suspicious for... making a partial PBPA and screwing up the formatting in a point-by-point rebuttal? (It's not even the only time I've screwed up formatting this game - there's some missing quote tags in at least one of my other long posts.)

Vino, Kise: Fullclaim or die.

[Sajin]

vote Vino

for not claiming.

Also, I suspected the talk about my character. There was a reason I supported comic and not character claiming. Go figure.

[Sajin]

Just realized.

unvote; vote Vino

[Vino]

When Fishy asked me to claim I had three votes. Kise had four and Percy had five. I don't see why I should claim, it doesn't look like I'm going to be the lynchee, and we don't need everybody with a vote to claim. If you guys really want me to claim I'm willing, but the deadline is tomorrow and there's no sense in getting three claims and then lynching only one person.

[Tarhalindur]

When Fishy asked me to claim I had three votes. Kise had four and Percy had five. I don't see why I should claim, it doesn't look like I'm going to be the lynchee, and we don't need everybody with a vote to claim. If you guys really want me to claim I'm willing, but the deadline is tomorrow and there's no sense in getting three claims and then lynching only one person.

Unvote, Vote: Vino

I repeat, fullclaim or die.

[Sotty7]

I repeat, fullclaim or die.

This.

[Vino]

Fine. I'm a recruiting mason.

[Vino]

I should be more specific. I can recruit members of Halfpixel only. I targeted Tarhalindur last night since he was the townliest. I supported the comic massclaim so I could figure out who to recruit. Mufasa and Delathi it looks are the only possibles since populartajo died, so I was going to do one of them tonight and the other the night after to make a three-man mason group, but now it appears that I am going to be NK'd instead, which is why I

really

didn't want to claim.

Disappointing.

[Vino]

Oh and yes I know my role makes no sense with my name/comic. He's an obscure character that doesn't really appear anymore in a comic I'm not familiar with, so some questioning of the mod and some searching the Sheldon archives for some panels where he's basically semi-networkingish.

http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/030104.html

I admit he's not really very mason-like, I don't know what Gorrad was thinking.