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lord_hur wrote:This sudden unanimity in willing to turn to Reya Cookiebringer makes me think that he's town, since I really can't imagine that there is no scum on my wagon.

Yes, I know I'm shooting myself in the foot, but that's what I'm thinking.

This kinda makes me feel like you are trying to butter me up so I don't vote you, but then again it's 1:30 in the morning after alot of work today. I'll make my decision tomorrow.

Reya Cookiebringer wrote:

lord_hur wrote:This sudden unanimity in willing to turn to Reya Cookiebringer makes me think that he's town, since I really can't imagine that there is no scum on my wagon.
Yes, I know I'm shooting myself in the foot, but that's what I'm thinking.

This kinda makes me feel like you are trying to butter me up so I don't vote you, but then again it's 1:30 in the morning after alot of work today. I'll make my decision tomorrow.

Hmm. You do know you are the counter-wagon, correct? You need to either defend yourself or tell us why lord_hur is a better lynch. Your lack of presence in this game has sort of made you lose your credibility. Do you think lord_hur is scum?

Also, lord_hur and reya should probably claim, as it seems these are our only two options 2day (running out of time)

Good grief.

We have 7 people on the two wagons combined, so should be able to get a lynch on one of the two come nightfall provided we are all reasonable and compromising gentlemen.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: lord_hur

No sense in forcing out a claim from Reya if we do indeed decide on a lord_hur lynch.

I am expecting you to vote for me : if it's me vs you, you should vote me, period, whatever your alignment is. So I have no motivation in manipulating you.

If you are manipulated by anyone, it's the one who dragged you in this fight. He has an interest in making you vote for me. And lied about having second thoughts about my culpability, it seems. Well done, Hoppster, well done...

lord_hur wrote:I am expecting you to vote for me : if it's me vs you, you should vote me, period, whatever your alignment is. So I have no motivation in manipulating you.

If you are manipulated by anyone, it's the one who dragged you in this fight. He has an interest in making you vote for me. And lied about having second thoughts about my culpability, it seems. Well done, Hoppster, well done...

Wraith wrote:

imaginality

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lord_hur, Feysal

You are contradicting not only your own advice to Reya but your own suspicion of myself.

1) Dragging Reya into this fight, although not something I have done, would have been a pro-town thing to do, you nitwit. Reya has said practically nothing and needs to make stances.

2) How do I have an interest in making Reya vote for you?

3) Yes, because it's impossible that I am either simply following AV's advice, impossible that I have changed my mind, or impossible that I have decided that Reya is town. Good show, lord_hur.

lord_hur wrote:This sudden unanimity in willing to turn to Reya Cookiebringer makes me think that he's town, since I really can't imagine that there is no scum on my wagon.

Yes, I know I'm shooting myself in the foot, but that's what I'm thinking.

This, coupled with your lack of a vote change to Reya, wrecked my tentative town-read on you. I simply cannot see any town motivation for this post, but I can see scum motivation. Scum, seeing the Reya wagon nicely forming and heading towards a lynch, distances from it and tries to gain town-cred for being so merciful to Reya (who flips town) despite being close to a lynch.

Well, no. That's not going to work.

Hoppster wrote:You are contradicting not only your own advice to Reya but your own suspicion of myself.

That's the only logical conclusion of your 180° turn.

Hoppster wrote:1) Dragging Reya into this fight, although not something I have done, would have been a pro-town thing to do, you nitwit. Reya has said practically nothing and needs to make stances.

No. You forced him to choose between me and himself. This is NOT taking a stance.

Hoppster wrote:2) How do I have an interest in making Reya vote for you?

Stupid question. To get your hammer vote on me.

Hoppster wrote:3) Yes, because it's impossible that I am either simply following AV's advice, impossible that I have changed my mind, or impossible that I have decided that Reya is town. Good show, lord_hur.

You didn't explain anything, which means your vote didn't mean any of this, but was purely tactical. You're not exactly laconic, usually.

Hoppster wrote:

lord_hur wrote:This sudden unanimity in willing to turn to Reya Cookiebringer makes me think that he's town, since I really can't imagine that there is no scum on my wagon.

Yes, I know I'm shooting myself in the foot, but that's what I'm thinking.

This, coupled with your lack of a vote change to Reya, wrecked my tentative town-read on you. I simply cannot see any town motivation for this post, but I can see scum motivation. Scum, seeing the Reya wagon nicely forming and heading towards a lynch, distances from it and tries to gain town-cred for being so merciful to Reya (who flips town) despite being close to a lynch.

Ridiculous. I was at L-2, with two people ready to vote me (imaginality and Reya Cookiebringer), not counting those who unvoted me for tactical reasons. My unwillingness to vote Reya Cookiebringer meant my most probable death.

I will not claim unless someone affirms he will hammer me.

ToastyToast wrote:Also, lord_hur and reya should probably claim, as it seems these are our only two options 2day (running out of time)

Why both, when only one will be sent to the gallows? I do not like this, sir.

I will vote Lord Hur to avoid a deadline passing with no execution. I will review the thread before I do such.

AurorusVox wrote:

ToastyToast wrote:Also, lord_hur and reya should probably claim, as it seems these are our only two options 2day (running out of time)

Why both, when only one will be sent to the gallows? I do not like this, sir.

I assumed a 1v1 situation, the claims might help make the final decision. But I see your point

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3098730#p3098730]#685[/url] wrote:I myself find the lurking to be null, since I have seen numerous townies do as much, and have found myself sparse for time in many occasions. I can see the logic behind lurking as scum, but I feel that it would be imprudent to ignore the (il)logic of lurking as town also. That said, as I expressed to Sir Hoppster, Reya is a fine compromise vote if we truly cannot see lord_hur in the gallows.

This is true, I also have encountered lurking town often enough, indeed I have done it myself when circumstances were against me. Mafia do not always lurk either. Regardless, I find it more probable for mafia to lurk, making it indicative of anti-town intentions, though certainly not a strong tell on its own.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3098730#p3098730]#685[/url] wrote:I can agree with this much. I did feel that lord_hur was trying to smear me by picking through my voting record, and I was keen to indicate back to him that should one wish to be selective with their searchings, one can paint anyone in any light. "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics" after all.

Exactly, and thus I find that analyzing your past voting record would be ineffective as a smear attempt, because it is simply not compelling. Not to me, anyway.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3098730#p3098730]#685[/url] wrote:Can I ask why imaginality over the Cookie Monster? Reya has "not been seen" for much longer.

Mainly because imaginality had given reason to doubt him in addition to his low presence, while I could not remember either Reya Cookiebringer or Apokalyptika doing such a thing. At the time I had also not read their posts in isolation, and seeing how there has been talk of executing Reya as a compromise, I have just examined them. Reya's posts are remarkably barren, aside from broken promises of more content and activity. Apokalyptika's posts are far more informative, I am particularly interested that her first serious vote was on imaginality, but on the whole I have a null read on her and thus on the whole slot. I can see the merit of removing him for not being either useful or readable, but as far as his alignment goes, it would be a shot in the dark.

AurorusVox [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3098730#p3098730]#685[/url] wrote:I will explain why this "rubbed me up the wrong way"; I have fears with the post I responded to in the quote herein, that it was a working example of the process known as Impersonating a Saintly Gentleman at War; or "White Knighting". If lord_hur flips town, you would naturally look excellent by extension. Your "1 vs 5" stance here conveys you as a hero, and being solely responsible for preventing a mislynch - should it be as much, that is. Of course, this is but one interpretation of events. I am not entirely convinced that it's an accurate assessment myself, but it has been one of the first twinges of repugnance that I have felt for your communications, and I had wanted my voice to be heard, lest I should perish before the morrow.

I am familiar with the practice of White Knighting, indeed I believe there has always been someone who suspected it whenever either I or someone else has defended another player. I don't think it is a particularly strong tell either way, unless the player who the defending player would rather execute - imaginality in this case - is revealed as mafia. Or if the player being defended is revealed as a villain obviously, which would give cause to doubt the defender.

If you guys don't mind, sorry, but I'd like to unvote Lord_hur, since I hate lynching unless logic and my gut feeling tells me too...and somehow, I just don't think Lord_hur should be lynched. Earlier in the game he seemed very much scum to me, but now from the last 3 pages, it seems that the tables have been turned.

Reya has done absolutely nothing that's helpful, so why is he/she still around? I mean, even if she/he is a townie, I wouldn't really feel bad about it, but if Lord_hur was, I'd feel kinda bad/idiotic.

jilynne1991 wrote:If you guys don't mind, sorry, but I'd like to unvote Lord_hur, since I hate lynching unless logic and my gut feeling tells me too...and somehow, I just don't think Lord_hur should be lynched. Earlier in the game he seemed very much scum to me, but now from the last 3 pages, it seems that the tables have been turned.

Reya has done absolutely nothing that's helpful, so why is he/she still around? I mean, even if she/he is a townie, I wouldn't really feel bad about it, but if Lord_hur was, I'd feel kinda bad/idiotic.

Must I remind you that if you're town, 1/3 of the others are scum?

jilynne1991 wrote:If you guys don't mind, sorry, but I'd like to unvote Lord_hur, since I hate lynching unless logic and my gut feeling tells me too...

M'lady, you need not our permission. If you want to revoke your ballot of lord_hur, then do so posthaste and ink your vote upon someone else's name, but be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions for yourself. The way you're asking makes it look as though you wish to say, "Oh, but you guys said it was okay!", which does not sit well with me.

I believe there are also unanswered questions directed at you, by myself, and would appreciate a response. Much obliged.

Lord_hur needs to die.

Deadline is coming. Nearly half the players agree that he should die. The others are just to afraid to vote him.

vezokpiraka wrote:Lord_hur needs to die.

Deadline is coming. Nearly half the players agree that he should die. The others are just to afraid to vote him.

You are a moron. I swear I will not play with you ever again. I will replace out any game you replace in.

Alright, since I will not vote Reya Cookiebringer because I don't think he's scum, there's no alternative, and we are at the deadline, I guess I might as well claim. I'm damned well tempted not to, but I must not betray the whole town because of how some of them are playing.

So, congratulations on being the first town to ever make me claim! You truly rock. And of course, you allow scum to hit the motherlode.

I am a . This is the exact role, to the letter.

I am a flavor cop. The power's description is rather long, but basically, I search rooms for items that might incriminate people (though my role specifically says that I shall draw my own conclusions about the items that I might find ; I guess this was because of the miller). Here's my breadcrumb :

lord_hur wrote:Hello, I am most delighted to be in the presence of such refined gentlemen, although it is sad that my joy is marred by such a tragedy. Obituaries have never been my forte, but it certainly grieves me to see three esteemable persons no longer breathing. Lest we diligently find the culprits, more are certain to be added to this list.

My associate, Caboose, had urgent affairs to attend to, and I will effectively replace him from now on. Surely is it unnecessary to affirm that I will answer for all of his participation so far in this investigation.

First letter of each sentence, except the E that I could not fit in.

Here I was breadcrumbing about my investigation :

lord_hur wrote:Unreadable = you can never know if they are scum or town (unless a power role investigates them).

I was talking about VI, so vezokpiraka. I investigated him, and I did not find anything incriminating.

Now that I've done my duty, vote away, or don't, or do what you want. Thankfully, I will be killed tonight anyway.

Whaaaa?????

You claim cop 2 days before deadline?

I'm not buying that. You are scum that doesn't know how to save his skin.

lord_hur wrote:2. It gives info to scum. For example, if I were to claim cop, I would surely die next night, while if I were to claim vanilla townie, they would kill someone else, increasing the chance a power role dies.

Sir, I'm surprised that you did not claim that the above was part of your breadcrumbing.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that your comment about VIs being "unreadable" was a legitimate investigation-crumb, considering it only came about because Jilly didn't know what you meant by "unreadable" in a previous post. I think that if you had really wanted to crumb your investigation report, you would have taken the initiative yourself, not waited until someone happened to ask about VIs.

AurorusVox wrote:

lord_hur wrote:2. It gives info to scum. For example, if I were to claim cop, I would surely die next night, while if I were to claim vanilla townie, they would kill someone else, increasing the chance a power role dies.

Sir, I'm surprised that you did not claim that the above was part of your breadcrumbing.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that your comment about VIs being "unreadable" was a legitimate investigation-crumb, considering it only came about because Jilly didn't know what you meant by "unreadable" in a previous post. I think that if you had really wanted to crumb your investigation report, you would have taken the initiative yourself, not waited until someone happened to ask about VIs.

Ridiculous :
1. This was my crumb about investigating vezokpiraka (in case I get NKed), not my role, and I never said otherwise. My first crumb was enough to establish that I would not make this one of the spot.
2. She never said that she didn't know what "unreadable" meant. I did get out of my way for this one. And how was I to say I thought vezokpiraka was town, after I said I could not read VIs? Remember, I never lie as town.

That you kept this one in mind indicates that you were keeping an eye out for power role hints, though.

May I enquire of my learned friends here as to how site meta is currently running in regards to the presence of a miller indicating the presence of a cop?

My inclination is to believe lord_hur. I believe Reya Cookiebringer is a preferable lynch. And, in light of the impending deadline, I believe he should claim forthwith.

Sir, I recalled that post because I went back to look at the context of your Vezo-investigate crumb in your ISO to see how soon into the day you tried to reveal your information. I searched "unreadable" and that post I quoted was the first to come up.

Moreover, I quite clearly say that I find it hard to believe that you used that post as an crumb. Why, then, do you react as though I said anything different?

Nevertheless, it seems that in my ISOing, I inferred a post requesting clarification where none existed. That those two posts came immediately one after the other with no prompting lends an element of credence to your argument. I still would have believed it more had the post come earlier, but that is of little consequence at the moment.

I am willing to be persuaded to cast my ballot with Reya's name marked, going into the night, if the support for executing this fellow withers with his claim. What say you, lodge?

Additional Question:
lord_hur, your signature leads me to conclude that you despise lurkers and believe they should bring about their own demise, post-haste. Why is Reya receiving special treatment here?

AurorusVox wrote:Additional Question:
lord_hur, your signature leads me to conclude that you despise lurkers and believe they should bring about their own demise, post-haste. Why is Reya receiving special treatment here?

Because everyone on my wagon, except the two I find most likely town (jilynne1991 and vezokpiraka, who is only flavor-innocent), plus my primary suspect, agreed in a heartbeat to switch to him.

Oh, and by the way, imaginality is scum.